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[Paskil]

Since it seems to be misunderstood; I just thought I'd inform you that the term "Social Justice Warrior" is a sarcastic one.
Its how some people might call an invading for "liberators" sarcastically.

I didn't watch the video and I don't plan on jumping into the discussion on the topic at hand but I thought I would help clear up a bit of the apparent confusion on the actual meaning of the term.

I can assure you that there are many people that use this in a derogatory fashion, much like calling someone a liberal or conservative as an insult. To them, this term is not at all sarcastic and much like "White Knight," is an insult on par with any racial slur you can throw out.

The only people using this sarcastically or in a humorous manner are the people that would be labeled as a SJW.

 

[MrCunningham]

Where's Val Kilmer?

Needs more Willem Defoe as well.

 

[Aizo]

Even the concept of labeling people who are usually just trying to make things better as "Social Justice Warriors" is so ignorant. That, along with labeling standing up for women as "white knighting." That really bugs the hell out of me. It's all ignorant propaganda for sexist men who don't want women to gain more power in society. The people who call everyone SJWs are even more dangerous, as they're against LGBT and racial minority progress, too, it seems.

Barf.

The sarcasm is very clear in the OP and video, but the people who really say those things honestly disgust me.

 

[TyrantII]

The sarcasm was fine. I got it!

 

[D_prOdigy]

Maybe I've been away from the internet a while, but when did "Social Justice" become a slur?

It was one of the mottos of my alma mater.

I first remember hearing it in that context from Glenn Beck.

that's right, all you MRA fedora tools are just little Glenn Becks.

a cartoon character

 

[Doczu]

Me too. As a woman, I'm proud to say I oppose feminism. I can't stand it when they shoehorn 'women's issues' into games.

It his isn't a sarcastic joke post, then i can't wait to see some people trying to show you the "right way" and how stupid/uneducated you are.

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[Eidan]

Maybe I've been away from the internet a while, but when did "Social Justice" become a slur?

It was one of the mottos of my alma mater.

The first time I heard it used as a perjorative was on Glenn Beck's Fox show around 2009, during the height of the ACA debate.

 

[Lime]

At least this whole shitfest of rampant misogyny shows that there is a sizeable segment of video game enthusiasts who lack a right-winged organization to represent their abhorrent bigoted viewpoints on people who aren't white straight males.

I.e. it looks like the gamers need their Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Karl Rove, etc.

 

[Damerman]

Pretty terrible satire to be honest.

i disagree. I think that it gets the point across and its simple. not all satire has to be brutally hysterical.

 

[Aizo]

Me too. As a woman, I'm proud to say I oppose feminism. I can't stand it when they shoehorn 'women's issues' into games.

Feminism: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities

You... oppose equality for women, despite the fact that you're a woman? I...

 

[marrec]

At least this whole shitfest of rampant misogyny shows that there is a sizeable segment of video game enthusiasts who lack a right-winged organization to represent their abhorrent bigoted viewpoints on people who aren't white straight males.

I.e. it looks like the gamers need their Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Karl Rove, etc.

The Vivian James Show!

"I dunno about you guys, but I'm tired of so called Social Justice Warriors telling me how to play my video games!"

- Vivian James

 

[jon bones]

You... oppose equality for women, despite the fact that you're a woman? I...

there are black republicans too

go figure

It his isn't a sarcastic joke post, then i can't wait to see some people trying to show you the "right way" and how stupid/uneducated you are.

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-suffragism

You can be for equality while still get annoyed by the Ham Fisted attempts the gaming media has been handling "inclusiveness"

why is "inclusiveness" in quotes?

 

[Nozem]

I thought the term Social Justice Warrior was reserved for the batshit insane end of the spectrum, you know, the 'all white cis men are scum' types of people who see patriarchial oppression in EVERY minuscule facet of their lives.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

Goddam guys, where were all you brave warriors when Suey Park needed you? Colbert was on the ropes and you let her down.

She could have enacted real social change.

 

[RockTurtle]

You... oppose equality for women, despite the fact that you're a woman? I...

You can be for equality while still get annoyed by the Ham Fisted attempts the gaming media has been handling "inclusiveness"

 

[SmokyDave]

Edit: People really didn't get that Sploat was being sarcastic?!

I thought the term Social Justice Warrior was reserved for the batshit insane end of the spectrum, you know, the 'all white cis men are scum' types of people who see patriarchial oppression in EVERY minuscule facet of their lives.

That's how I understand it too. The left-wing equivalent of the far-right.

 

[Mechazawa]

You... oppose equality for women, despite the fact that you're a woman? I...

I want to say there's a sarcastic edge to that post, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

 

[marrec]

Goddam guys, where were all you brave warriors when Suey Park needed you? Colbert was on the ropes and you let her down.

She could have enacted real social change.

Suey Park is such a fucking troll... it's very entertaining.

I'd love it if she somehow wormed her greedy hands into Video Games. It would give people a real villain to root against instead of these propped up scarecrows.

 

[Spookie]

Wait, why isn't Matt Lees doing this one?

He did his piece here instead: http://jamsponge.tumblr.com/

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

Suey Park is such a fucking troll... it's very entertaining.

I'd love it if she somehow wormed her greedy hands into Video Games. It would give people a real villain to root against instead of these propped up scarecrows.

You know who would say something similar to what you just said? That dirty MRA Gargamel.

 

[silvermember]

there are black republicans too

go figure

Republican is not really an ideology about race directly. Most black republicans tend to be rich which seems to show they are mostly in for the money, since the social aspects don't affect them, at all.

Feminist not so much. What some people fail to understand is, it was originally about choice for women. A lot of people conflate chauvinistic behavior with feminism.

 

[Infinite]

I thought the term Social Justice Warrior was reserved for the batshit insane end of the spectrum, you know, the 'all white cis men are scum' types of people who see patriarchial oppression in EVERY minuscule facet of their lives.

It was originally used for people who are really abusive to others but hide it behind the banner of social justice.

 

[Arc]

I still find it hilarious that SJW is used as an insult.

Because now the term is associated with crazies on Tumblr instead of reasonable people.

 

[RockTurtle]

Anyways when I think of an sjw I don't think of someone asking for equality. I think of someone who uses the word Cis scum on the daily cries patriarchy at everything and will turn any discussion into some sort of debate involving social or racial issues. Someone who will cry racism at any depicition of nonwhite males that's not in a positive light. Someone who will decry a videeogame as sexist if the females show cleavage or have breast size past a determined cup size. Basically an extreme far left individual.

And when you call them out on it they respond by insulting you, calling you an mra, saying you hate progress, are against women or gays etc. And say that you can't call them out because since they are for social justice they.are automatically right

 

[Infinite]

Suey Park is such a fucking troll... it's very entertaining.

I'd love it if she somehow wormed her greedy hands into Video Games. It would give people a real villain to root against instead of these propped up scarecrows.

Man, you guys need to let this shit go. It's off topic anywho.

 

[badcrumble]

Since it seems to be misunderstood; I just thought I'd inform you that the term "Social Justice Warrior" is a sarcastic one.
Its how some people might call an invading for "liberators" sarcastically.

I didn't watch the video and I don't plan on jumping into the discussion on the topic at hand but I thought I would help clear up a bit of the apparent confusion on the actual meaning of the term.

It's basically the new "bleeding-heart liberal," in the sense that it's a reactionary slur used to dismiss people with good points.

 

[Dunkley]

Kinda reminds me of Jim Sterling's satire video on feminist icons, with the only difference being that Jim's video was actually funny.

Because now the term is associated with crazies on Tumblr instead of reasonable people.

The term was always a joke term used for idiot activists on the internet. tumblr picked it up as a self-description in a positive sense, so nowadays there are actual people proudly proclaiming how SJW they are.

(Unless the people that do are trolls, I mean it has become really hard to tell what actual tumblr activists are like given just how many blogs on there nowadays are joke activist accounts)

 

[sploatee]

It his isn't a sarcastic joke post, then i can't wait to see some people trying to show you the "right way" and how stupid/uneducated you are.

popcorn.gif

I want to say there's a sarcastic edge to that post, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

Edit: People really didn't get that Sploat was being sarcastic?!

I thought the context was obvious, to be honest. I was responding to a sarcastic post about a sarcastic video with sarcasm. I want to make an observation about the tone of the debate and overreaction but maybe I'm giving it too much credit. :-S

 

[Doczu]

Anyways when I think of an sjw I don't think of someone asking for equality. I think of someone who uses the word Cis scum on the daily cries patriarchy at everything and will turn any discussion into some sort of debate involving social or racial issues. Someone who will cry racism at any depicition of nonwhite males that's not in a positive light. Someone who will decry a videeogame as sexist if the females show cleavage or have breast size past a determined cup size. Basically an extreme far left individual.

And when you call them out on it they respond by insulting you, calling you an mra, saying you hate progress, are against women or gays etc. And say that you can't call them out because since they are for social justice they.are automatically right

Well said.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

Man, you guys need to let this shit go. It's off topic anywho.

Don't know man. It's a silly topic with cartoon characters in a video. It's clear people are going to talk about the wider issue of drawing lines in the sand, turning nuanced discussion into black and white ones and conveniently grouping people into easily digestible chunks, for easy dismissing. Those loveable MRAs have nothing to do with this but are brought up on the first page.

I got to say I don't have anything against slacktivists be they the SJW or MRA type, they both put on a good show.

 

[TyrantII]

At least this whole shitfest of rampant misogyny shows that there is a sizeable segment of video game enthusiasts who lack a right-winged organization to represent their abhorrent bigoted viewpoints on people who aren't white straight males.

I.e. it looks like the gamers need their Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Karl Rove, etc.

So a snake oil salesman that will take their sacks of money to reinforce others world view while actually doing nothing to advance it? And then living the (liberal elite (sarcasm) dream) on that scam, while not believing an ounce of the character play preformance art they do?

Sounds good. Herpers gonna derp after all, so mise well fleece them while they're at it.

 

[Fehyd]

Ugh. I'm sick of it from both sides. It's a complex issue and painting one side as a caricature doesn't help. Heck people are doing it on these very forums and gaf is supposed to be more enlightened than that.

 

[shiftplusone]

Kinda reminds me of Jim Sterling's satire video on feminist icons, with the only difference being that Jim's video was actually funny.



The term was always a joke term used for idiot activists on the internet. tumblr picked it up as a self-description in a positive sense, so nowadays there are actual people proudly proclaiming how SJW they are.

(Unless the people that do are trolls, I mean it has become really hard to tell what actual tumblr activists are like given just how many blogs on there nowadays are joke activist accounts)

it also seems to kind of wrapped back around on itself.

SJW insults went from a reaction to the "RAWR ALL WHITE MEN ARE TERRIBLE"
then "Hey women should be treated the same and should have better representation maybe?" became the new targets for the SJW insults
BECAUSE of that, the insult has become a joke too and now the 2nd group is embracing it as a compliment because of how stupid the overreaction is to anything

 

[Infinite]

Don't know man. It's a silly topic with cartoon characters in a video. It's clear people are going to talk about the wider issue of drawing lines in the sand, turning nuanced discussion into black and white ones and conveniently grouping people into easily digestible chunks, for easy dismissing. Those loveable MRAs have nothing to do with this but are brought up on the first page.

I got to say I don't have anything against slacktivists be they the SJW or MRA type, they both put on a good show.

I was talking about Suey Park and what people think of her.

 

[Last Hearth]

I still find it hilarious that SJW is used as an insult.

It's called sarcasm. Like calling someone a "truther" doesn't mean you think truth seeking is a terrible thing.

 

[someguyinahat]

You know what we haven't had in a while? A Caturday thread.

 

[John Kowalski]

Duncan was pretty suspect, i agree.

It's called sarcasm. Like calling someone a "truther" doesn't mean you think truth seeking is a terrible thing.

That's... not sarcasm actually.

 

[marrec]

Man, you guys need to let this shit go. It's off topic anywho.

She's one of, if not the most visible, figure heads of a new feminist movement that bases it's progress in abuse of anyone who dares question their motives or means. If she dropped off the face of the earth than the progressive feminist and racial equality movements would be much better served.

Only a bit off topic though as people were questioning what SJW was and where it came from and when I hear SJW used as a pejorative I always envision Suey Park wielding a Twitter app telling someone to eat a bowl of rusty knives. The fact that she hasn't focused her troll army on Video Games yet is a blessing. Lets leave this fight to the people who actually care about it and not opportunistic hags.

 

[jay]

i disagree. I think that it gets the point across and its simple. not all satire has to be brutally hysterical.

People who use the term SJW would argue that of course saving the whole universe (or whatever crap is happening in half of those games) is worthwhile, it's just little changes and the details that are irrelevant. They would likely be on board with the plots of these games because racism and sexism, if they even exist, will fall in a grand battle between good and evil, not by noticing the content of the art and media we consume.

If satire isn't going to make anyone rethink their positions, it should be scathing or at least mildly entertaining. This video misses all targets.

 

[Infinite]

She's one of, if not the most visible, figure heads of a new feminist movement that bases it's progress in abuse of anyone who dares question their motives or means. If she dropped off the face of the earth than the progressive feminist and racial equality movements would be much better served.

Only a bit off topic though as people were questioning what SJW was and where it came from and when I hear SJW used as a pejorative I always envision Suey Park wielding a Twitter app telling someone to eat a bowl of rusty knives. The fact that she hasn't focused her troll army on Video Games yet is a blessing. Lets leave this fight to the people who actually care about it and not opportunistic hags.

See this why bringing her up frustrates me a lot.

 

[Nesther]

Does modern World of Warcraft actually have real-time cutscenes, or was that fanmade? I thought Blizzard relies on CGI scenes.

 

[sploatee]

She's one of, if not the most visible, figure heads of a new feminist movement that bases it's progress in abuse of anyone who dares question their motives or means. If she dropped off the face of the earth than the progressive feminist and racial equality movements would be much better served.

Only a bit off topic though as people were questioning what SJW was and where it came from and when I hear SJW used as a pejorative I always envision Suey Park wielding a Twitter app telling someone to eat a bowl of rusty knives. The fact that she hasn't focused her troll army on Video Games yet is a blessing. Lets leave this fight to the people who actually care about it and not opportunistic hags.

Opportunistic hags? You don't think that 'hag' has sexist connotations?

 

[marrec]

See this why bringing her up frustrates me a lot.

Will drop it now. Sorry. *forgiveness pose*

 

[dapperbandit]

What a shite video, a very limp attempt at satire.

 

[Moon_frogger]

I thought the term Social Justice Warrior was reserved for the batshit insane end of the spectrum, you know, the 'all white cis men are scum' types of people who see patriarchial oppression in EVERY minuscule facet of their lives.

Yup. Or the frauds who like to get traffic on their blog/website.

 

[Tripon]

Will drop it now. Sorry. *forgiveness pose*

You forgot to nod your head in forgiveness.

 

[Aizo]

You can be for equality while still get annoyed by the Ham Fisted attempts the gaming media has been handling "inclusiveness"

It goes far deeper than any sort of gaming controversy. Being generally against feminism just seems evil to me. If someone says, "They aren't about equality—they only care about women's issues, but not men's!" then that sort of person is severely lacking in knowledge about... a lot. A woman saying it, though? I literally do not understand how that is possible, at all. If such a woman is not bothered by sexism or has not experienced harmful, sexist behavior first hand, then there are millions—if not billions—of women who surely envy her. She would be in a severely miniscule minority of women, though.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I still find it hilarious that SJW is used as an insult.

"You care about equality?! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA LOOK AT THIS GUY! HE BELIEVES IN TREATING OTHER PEOPLE FAIRLY REGARDLESS OF THEIR GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, ETC.!"

 

[ANDS]

there are black republicans too

go figure



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-suffragism



why is "inclusiveness" in quotes?

And you were doing so well.

 

[Aizo]

I thought about it, and I'd love to be known to all as a Social Justice Warrior. That sounds awesome. Sounds like a superhero to me.