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[SoldnerKei]

Tonight we get Ganondorf! With Sakurai making a joke about him still being a clone.

"Here is Ganondorf, you can't teach new tricks to an old dog, so he will keep his previous moveset, some people may call him a clone just like Lucina, but he dosen't have a flat chest *laughs* I love my Ganondorf, I wish he was mine"

 

[Dimitri LH]

I want to go to bed early Sakurai......hurry up and give us Trophy De-confirmation day pic.

 

[Hours Left]

You’d have to be a lifeless machine to not support:

Ray 01

Notable Appearences
Custom Robo (1999)
Custom Robo V2 (2000)
Custom Robo GX (2002)
Custom Robo: Battle Revolution (2004)
Custom Robo Arena (2006)

Bio
Ray 01 is generally the starting robot given to the player in the Custom Robo series. There are eight different Ray models in the series: Ray, Ray MK II, Ray MK III, Ray Sky, Ray 01, Ray Warrior, Ray II Dark, and X-Ray. All are Shining Fighter models exept Ray Sky. Ray II Dark and Ray Warrior are illegal parts, illegal parts are parts that are powerful enough to actually hurt someone based on the games. In the GameCube Custom Robo game, Ray 01 is a top secret robot that is found by a bunch of thieves. The playable character of the game is then asked to stop the thugs from infiltrating the base, and does so with the help of the robot.

What NeoGAF Says


What do you guys think? Would this character fit in the fine oiled machine that is Smash Bros.? What interesting mechanics could he bring to the table? Let us know below!

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Note: Unlike veterans, the newcomers being posted are not being revealed in order of most votes due to the amount of different choices; I'm just sharing the ones I find most interesting. However, for the last five newcomers, I will present those in order as the newcomers who got the most votes.

You forgot Captain Rainbow's link. ;_;

 

[Benzychenz]

Ice Climbers Wednesday!!

 

[johnbone]

Smash 4 uses Brawl assets and Brawl animations. Is Smash 4 literally Brawl?

.

Ummm... Are you joking?

 

[Makai]

Eugh, that price.

I really hope the next generations of handhelds just have HDMI out, but knowing Nintendo, they'll somehow have this feature and put it some sort of strange unstrippable HDCP.

This comes with a 3DS LL and the capture card installed. They sell the capture card separately for half the price.

 

[OricWindstar]

You forgot Captain Rainbow's link. ;_;

Yeah, someone pointed that out to me. I'll have it fixed soon!

 

[K-A-Deman]

Brawl in itself is modified from Melee's Rules and boundaries though. First thing that happened for Brawl is port over Melee.

Just because it wasn't done by Sakurai and Co. doesn't make it less of a game imo.

If you consider how being 'less of a game' means that they're not getting CaD'ed by Nintendo, I think they'll be all too happy to declare themselves as such.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Smash 4 uses Brawl assets and Brawl animations. Is Smash 4 literally Brawl?

Not that I agree about their opinion on PM, but that seems like a false equivalence. SSB4 obviously isn't a literal hack of Brawl, even if its engine is built off Brawl's (like Brawl's was of Melee).

 

[ShockingAlberto]

This comes with a 3DS LL and the capture card installed. They sell the capture card separately for half the price.

Yeah, but still too rich for my blood either way.

 

[FSLink]

Is this a serious comment?

I read it as making fun of your use of literally.

 

[random25]

Ice Climbers Wednesday!!

It's everyday Ice Climbers!

 

[ShockingAlberto]

If you consider how being 'less of a game' means that they're not getting CaD'ed by Nintendo, I think they'll be all too happy to declare themselves as such.

Well

Until they add characters

Then the uneasy relationship they have with Nintendo is probably going to get a lot more litigious.

 

[Who]

Ok guys I'm sure this has been mentioned but how sweet would it be if Smash4WiiU included an advanced replay editor with Mario Kart 8 slo motion... I mean being able to re-watch matches, edit sequences to slo-mo, and share online would be an absolute godsend for the Smash series.

 

[Loco4Coco]

Forget Ice Climbers, where's the Wolf update?

 

[Toxi]

Smash 4 uses Brawl assets and Brawl animations. Is Smash 4 literally Brawl?

Yes.

Well, not really, but it is basically Brawl fixed up to look a bit prettier. One of the more discouraging things about Smash 4 is that it seems to indicate that Smash is not going to have some big mechanical shake-ups anymore. I guess the customizable moves would be the big change this time, but that's more of an extra instead of a change to the core gameplay.

 

[Makai]

Yeah, but still too rich for my blood either way.

You can still watch my stream then.

Just ask if you want to see anything in particular.

 

[Golnei]

Also, if it wouldn't be too much trouble, could I have a link to the 3DS FC document? I can't quote the one linked in the OP.

 

[johnbone]

Brawl in itself is modified from Melee's Rules and boundaries though. First thing that happened for Brawl is port over Melee.

Just because it wasn't done by Sakurai and Co. doesn't make it less of a game imo.

I've gotta disagree with you here. Project M is NOT its own game, it is a mod. It is as much a "new game" as Brawl+.

 

[Kyzon]

I thought Smash 4 was the cake.

Smash 4 is the next big meal you have

Is Smash 4 the side of potatoes or the refreshing beverage?

.... or it could be the bottle service you ordered

If a piece of software primarily uses large chunks of code from an already existing game and alters it, it is not its own game.

I'm not talking semantics here, I'm talking about code and the technical bits. This does not mean porting models and old code makes a game not its own, but when said things compose a majority of the game, it's a mod. This includes things like engines, effects, models, animations, AI, level design, etc.

Project M is good. It is not a new game. It is not a remake built from the ground up. It is built from Brawl up (in terms of code). That is why it is a mod and not its own new game.

If the PM team had completely created PM from scratch using only code they wrote, it would be its own game.

I'm not disparaging it. It's good. I like it.

We'll have to disagree on what we define as a new game then. I feel that there's a blurry line where a mod becomes it's own theme, and P:M has crossed that in my mind.

 

[BuggyDClown]

Yes.

Well, not really, but it is basically Brawl fixed up to look a bit prettier. One of the more discouraging things about Smash 4 is that it seems to indicate that Smash is not going to have some big mechanical shake-ups anymore.

I suppose, but It also feels like its a refinement of the franchise. Like learnig from mistakes and taking ques from things done right. This is like the ultimate version of Smash for that reason.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Smash eroge visual novels

You and I both know that already exists in droves.

Also apparently the longest written piece of literature ever in the history of mankind is Super Smash Bros. fan-fiction. I find that infinitely more depressing than your typical porn mods of Brawl.

 

[Loco4Coco]

Ok guys I'm sure this has been mentioned but how sweet would it be if Smash4WiiU included an advanced replay editor with Mario Kart 8 slo motion... I mean being able to re-watch matches, edit sequences to slo-mo, and share online would be an absolute godsend for the Smash series.

Considering Brawl already had thing where you can re-watch matches, hopefully they'll keep that and add lot more options.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I read it as making fun of your use of literally.

So Project M isn't literally Brawl modified?

 

[johnbone]

Well

Until they add characters

Then the uneasy relationship they have with Nintendo is probably going to get a lot more litigious.

I hope for their sake that they don't.
Nintendo is being nice as it is by allowing Project M to exist, I wouldn't push my luck if I were a member of the team.

 

[Zubz]

You and I both know that already exists in droves.

Also apparently the longest written piece of literature ever in the history of mankind is Super Smash Bros. fan-fiction. I find that infinitely more depressing than your typical porn mods of Brawl.

Isn't that also several million pages long? I hope long after humanity's wiped out, that's the text we're remembered for.

 

[Cody_D165]

Yo VGBootCamp owns the Xanadu building now :O

All, this is an important, huge, late breaking announcement. To make a long story short, Xanadu and their management team have decided to part ways with the store and pursue other career paths. Because of this, they have offered the Xanadu store to VGBootcamp, which we have accepted. It will now be our store for full use.
This means:
- No more MTG
- We get use of the whole store, including the front so it's less cramped
- Weeklies for 2-3 smash games
- More monthlies
- Less schedule conflicts
- More VGBootcamp streamed weekend events
- More smashfests
- No price changes
- New stuff to flesh out the experience
- New staff to help assist the place
This is a huge deal for us, and honestly, Xanadu has established itself as the PREMIER weekly event in the world, and this just helps us bring that full circle.
The immediate change is that we our adding Melee to our weekly schedule on wednesdays (starting 9/10, streamed by VGBootcamp)and we will also be changing the layout of the venue a little bit to be optimized for smash, as that will be the primary focus of the venue. Project M will resume weeklies on tuesdays until Smash 4 is launched, at which point, it will alternate with that (tentative schedule posted for now, it is subject to change after October 11th)
Also, if anyone has any posters, decoratives, or any consoles/tvs they'd like to donate to Xanadu, please let me know. We want to make the place look and feel awesome.
Please share this, or retweet my tweet (@thetantalus) about this, and help us spread the word!

 

[FSLink]

So Project M isn't literally Brawl modified?

I didn't say I agreed with him, lol, geez.

 

[MrSaturn99]

You and I both know that already exists in droves.

Also apparently the longest written piece of literature ever in the history of mankind is Super Smash Bros. fan-fiction. I find that infinitely more depressing than your typical porn mods of Brawl.

huuuuuuuhhhhhhh

 

[Kyzon]

If you consider how being 'less of a game' means that they're not getting CaD'ed by Nintendo, I think they'll be all too happy to declare themselves as such.

Nintendo not bothering them is moreso with the team taking measures to not step on Nintendo's toes. No characters that are playable in Smash 4, and making sure to state that they only support official disk versions of Brawl officially.

I've gotta disagree with you here. Project M is NOT its own game, it is a mod. It is as much a "new game" as Brawl+.

Brawl+ just changed up the game play.

Project M did that and so much more. It changes the gameplay as well as adds it's own original content.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

We'll have to disagree on what we define as a new game then. I feel that there's a blurry line where a mod becomes it's own theme, and P:M has crossed that in my mind.

I guess what I'm saying is that if you yanked all of Brawls underlying foundational code out of PM, there would be what they added and that's it. They didn't create a game, the modified one. They did it very well.

But we don't have to press this any further (that sounds snarky but it's not I promise).

 

[SenorArdilla]

You and I both know that already exists in droves.

Also apparently the longest written piece of literature ever in the history of mankind is Super Smash Bros. fan-fiction. I find that infinitely more depressing than your typical porn mods of Brawl.

As of September 2013, the story has gone on to become the largest thing to be ever conceived in fan fiction (currently over 3,500,000 words)...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheSubspaceEmissarysWorldsConquest

 

[Roo]

So awkward lol

 

[Hatchtag]

So Project M isn't literally Brawl modified?

In the same sense that Smash 4 is, yes, Project M is literally Brawl modified. Now, one modifies Brawl significantly more than each other, but rather or not you think that Project M modifies Brawl enough to be considered its own game is entirely subjunctive.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

So Project M isn't literally Brawl modified?

Project M is Brawl objectively modified.

 

[FSLink]

Nintendo not bothering them is moreso with the team taking measures to not step on Nintendo's toes. No characters that are playable in Smash 4, and making sure to state that they only support official disk versions of Brawl officially.



Brawl+ just changed up the game play.

Project M did that and so much more. It changes the gameplay as well as adds it's own original content.

I personally see Project M as a mod but I don't see anything wrong with the community supporting it. There's a lot of love put into the mod even if you disagree with making the gameplay back to Melee. Like the Team Fortress example, there's nothing wrong with the community supporting a mod, it's just petty. (I'm of course not including the parts of the community who are like "lol Project M devs are gods Sakurai sux")

The question wasn't directed at you. I was asking him through your comment.

Gotcha, but that wasn't very clear.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I didn't say I agreed with him, lol, geez.

The question wasn't directed at you. I was asking him through your comment.

 

[Golnei]

Yes.

Well, not really, but it is basically Brawl fixed up to look a bit prettier. One of the more discouraging things about Smash 4 is that it seems to indicate that Smash is not going to have some big mechanical shake-ups anymore. I guess the customizable moves would be the big change this time, but that's more of an extra instead of a change to the core gameplay.

I don't really have too much of a problem with that. PM and SSB4 put alongside each other show that Brawl's engine is fairly flexible, and wouldn't really need any core alterations to support some fairly major additions. Additionally, Nintendo's proposed unified software platform will mean that only one version of the next Smash game will need to be produced - combined with being able to directly build off the work done in Brawl and 4, it could have an even more ludicrous amount of content.

 

[Toxi]

As of September 2013, the story has gone on to become the largest thing to be ever conceived in fan fiction (currently over 3,500,000 words)...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheSubspaceEmissarysWorldsConquest

 

[johnbone]

Brawl+ just changed up the game play.

Project M did that and so much more. It changes the gameplay as well as adds it's own original content.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then.

This is a debate about mere syntax anyway- no matter what we brand it as, Project M is what it is, and I love it!

 

[J@hranimo]

Yo VGBootCamp owns the Xanadu building now :O

Great for them! They put out a lot of Smash videos that populate my subscriptions page on Youtube twice a week

 

[GiantBreadbug]

In the same sense that Smash 4 is, yes, Project M is literally Brawl modified. Now, one modifies Brawl significantly more than each other, but rather or not you think that Project M modifies Brawl enough to be considered its own game is entirely subjunctive.

Noooo guys no no.

Here's an analogy:

Brawl is a big rock. PM built its house on top of Brawl rock and Smash 4 took some pieces of Brawl rock to create its house.

It's in the code y'all. It's in the way that the game is actually created and made.

Again: PM is cool and I like it

 

[johnbone]

Is it just me, or is M2K's stream becoming very hostile to it's viewers/subscribers? PB+J seems kinda harsh, at least imo.

I switched over to HugS almost immediately.

 

[MrSaturn99]

I'd like some Brawl rock.

 

[Golnei]

Noooo guys no no.

Here's an analogy:

Brawl is a big rock. PM built its house on top of Brawl rock and Smash 4 took some pieces of Brawl rock to create its house.

It's in the code y'all. It's in the way that the game is actually created and made.

That seems reasonable, but I'm afraid that analogy will have to be disqualified unless you can provide an adequate cake-based translation.

 

[Crocodile]

Don't worry, they also made nude skins for Zelda and Peach.

Yes.

Well, not really, but it is basically Brawl fixed up to look a bit prettier. One of the more discouraging things about Smash 4 is that it seems to indicate that Smash is not going to have some big mechanical shake-ups anymore. I guess the customizable moves would be the big change this time, but that's more of an extra instead of a change to the core gameplay.

That seems really unfair. Assuming the mechanics of using and changing custom moves is intuitive enough, they are a HUGE game changer. To say nothing of other changes whose impact haven't been fully realized like the ledge mechanics.

Yo VGBootCamp owns the Xanadu building now :O

LOL if that store was my local game store I'd actually be pissed with the removal of MTG

 

[GiantBreadbug]

That seems reasonable, but I'm afraid that analogy will have to be disqualified unless you can provide an adequate cake-based translation.

Okay:

Brawl is a cake

PM is like additional ingredients and garnishes and icings added to Brawl cake

Smash 4 is like a separate cake that uses pieces of Brawl cake's recipe

Now I want cake (real cake not smash analogy cake)

I'd like some Brawl rock.

Crewd

Spoiler

meet me behind Nook's in an hour

 

[Pikma]

This is me in the middle of this Smash / Project M debate

 

[FSLink]

Okay:

Brawl is a cake

PM is like additional ingredients and garnishes and icings added to Brawl cake

Smash 4 is like a separate cake that uses pieces of Brawl cake's recipe

Now I want cake

Summary: Let the community enjoy whatever cake they like, there shouldn't be a "well PM isn't made from scratch" nor "PM is da bess cake Sakurai doesn't know how to make real cake" either.

 

[johnbone]

Yes.

Well, not really, but it is basically Brawl fixed up to look a bit prettier. One of the more discouraging things about Smash 4 is that it seems to indicate that Smash is not going to have some big mechanical shake-ups anymore. I guess the customizable moves would be the big change this time, but that's more of an extra instead of a change to the core gameplay.

It's WAY WAY WAY too early to make a statement like that!

Let's see the final product first at least!