Oh junior, of course he won't be there as DLC
because he's gonna be there day one
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 14: Snake... had a hard life
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Joe has the right idea!
C'mon Joe, HW's roster is no better.
I personally don't disagree with this since Project M is more like a heavy fan patch, but I also don't see what's wrong with the community embracing it because it's a truly impressive mod. Stuff like Brawl minus and early texture hacks/music hacks really have nothing on Project M's stuff (though of course stuff like those helped pave the way and were impressive at the time).
Ah, gotcha. I mostly used Xsplit in the past for streaming and haven't messed around with OBS.
Captain Rage Quit 69
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I had forgotten it was already September.
Holy shit guys SSB4 is dropping in less than 14 days!!
JB-the-Hunter
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I would be ecstatic if that's what Project M became, but alas, its still uses Nintendo assets/content. Project M is no DOTA.
No. A mod of a game is a mod of a game. In this case Project M is the mod and Brawl is the game. The rules and boundaries of PM are modified from Brawl's rules and boundaries. Not until the mod becomes a separate entity from the base game does it become its own game.
Team Fortress Classic means nothing to me. That's what I'm trying to get across. I don't have a problem with mods. I only have a problem specifically and exclusively with Project M.
I hope you're right. Between your optimism and that avatar you've become one of my favorite posters.
You might not feel it's became a seperate entity, but that doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.
I'd really like Project M to have more of its own graphical style though, largely because I just don't like Brawl's much. But I donno if that'll ever happen because of how many look revamp mods there are now. So it'll probably just look like brawl with the occassional melee-looking stage or character for the foreseeable future :/.
Choppasmith
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I can't believe it took me all friggin' day just to catch up with you people.
Anyway, I'll post today's cleans tomorrow, assuming I don't take all day to catch up again (hint: I probably will). In the meantime:
GEE I THINK SHULK'S VOICE ACTOR MIGHT BE BRITISH YOU GUYS.These are pretty funny tho
Yeah, it's really a dumb joke that manages to get a couple chuckles out of me. Love that last one, speaking of which
This amused me
As if I needed another reason to hate the internet :/
The one for the 2014 Smash Bros audition was amazing.
GiantBreadbug
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Of for sure it's impressive. I'm a fan personally. Nothing wrong with embracing it.
On the other hand, I can certainly see the other side, but I'm guessing the agitation is coming from PM fans who are jerks about it (a vocal minority).
Basically I just think everyone should enjoy Brawl for what it is (I do) and PM for the great mod it is (I also do).
StreetsAhead
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Like with Hyrule Warriors, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a patch ready for the Western release if they find bugs or issues post-release in Japan.
Project M is pretty much the only reason I have to use my Brawl disc. I play Melee competitively, but PM as a side thing when I want to spice it up a bit.
Dota was a mod but eventually became a game right? I don't see why people trying to fix and change a game's mechanics gets on people's nerves so much. Its fun.
Dota was a mod but eventually became a game right? I don't see why people trying to fix and change a game's mechanics gets on people's nerves so much. Its fun.
If anyone wants some Smash music to listen too, I've been going through the known pieces in smash 4 and the credits theme used in the direct truly is godlike!
Take a listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8nIIkdOBdM
Take a listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8nIIkdOBdM
What defines a game and a new game? Is Ocarina of Time 3D not a new game since it's an upressed port of Ocarina of Time? Is DayZ not a new game? What about Counter Strike or Team Fortress?
Project M is presented as it's own product (used loosely) and uses Brawl as a foundation to become it's own thing.
Ok guys I'm sure this has been mentioned but how sweet would it be if Smash4WiiU included an advanced replay editor with Mario Kart 8 slo motion... I mean being able to re-watch matches, edit sequences to slo-mo, and share online would be an absolute godsend for the Smash series.
ShockingAlberto
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Do you have a link to this card? Curious to see it.
solomon
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Somebody foreign talks. In response:
Holy shit this gif is the best.
SkullHydra
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Now we're back to the Project M debates. Yay...
No need to fight, you're all pretty.
Brawl in itself is modified from Melee's Rules and boundaries though. First thing that happened for Brawl is port over Melee.
Just because it wasn't done by Sakurai and Co. doesn't make it less of a game imo.
I can't believe it took me all friggin' day just to catch up with you people.
Anyway, I'll post today's cleans tomorrow, assuming I don't take all day to catch up again (hint: I probably will). In the meantime:
GEE I THINK SHULK'S VOICE ACTOR MIGHT BE BRITISH YOU GUYS.These are pretty funny tho
This is delicious for me as a big Aardman fan
StreetsAhead
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There are people who treat it as though it is Smash 4, or at least 3.5, which I think is the problem that poster is having.
Considering just how many visual mods are out there, PM doing a global model revamp would be a waste of time. Especially since projects like SSB3 include PM characters - it's easier to let the end user choose which style they prefer.
SoldnerKei
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seems like people never got into MUGEN
Project Melee is alright, I don't know why it gets such hate at some degree, I mean their intention has never been something like "HEY FOLKS! stop playing Br0l and Maylay, here is your saviour! and play it with all the known ATs and Items Off" right? it's a fan mod and people had invest ton of time just for fellow fans, I appreciate their work
JB-the-Hunter
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The fact that not everyone feels the same way is part of the reason I have an issue with it. Project M not being a separate entity isn't my opinion... it just isn't a separate entity. It uses Brawl assets, it uses Brawl graphics, it still has Brawl modes, it has Brawl UI, it uses the Brawl disc. Project M is literally Brawl... just modified. Project M will become a game when it becomes a separate entity.
Bralw started as a Melee mod, yes, but it BECAME it's own game for multiple reasons. Reasons that don't yet apply to Project M.
It's not about who it was made by, it's about how it was made.
Youd have to be a lifeless machine to not support:
Ray 01
Notable Appearences
Custom Robo (1999)
Custom Robo V2 (2000)
Custom Robo GX (2002)
Custom Robo: Battle Revolution (2004)
Custom Robo Arena (2006)
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Ray 01 is generally the starting robot given to the player in the Custom Robo series. There are eight different Ray models in the series: Ray, Ray MK II, Ray MK III, Ray Sky, Ray 01, Ray Warrior, Ray II Dark, and X-Ray. All are Shining Fighter models exept Ray Sky. Ray II Dark and Ray Warrior are illegal parts, illegal parts are parts that are powerful enough to actually hurt someone based on the games. In the GameCube Custom Robo game, Ray 01 is a top secret robot that is found by a bunch of thieves. The playable character of the game is then asked to stop the thugs from infiltrating the base, and does so with the help of the robot.
Goddamn I love Ray. The GCN Custom Robo game is amazing, I mean just look at this intro! The battles aren't really like that but it just gets you pumped for some mecha action. Something that this game is sorely missing in the playable department.
Gonna also provide some victory music for this one since it's so good. Really recommend people to check out at least the GCN game since it's a lot of fun. Guess here's hoping this franchise gets revived somehow on the Wii U or 3DS and Ray gets another shot because Sakurai sure as hell isn't paying attention to the little guy.
True, true. But at the same time, I feel the starter visuals should be a bit better. But that's just my opinion I guess.
Smash 4 uses Brawl assets and Brawl animations. Is Smash 4 literally Brawl?
I know for a fact there's one of Wario too.
Don't worry, they also made nude skins for Zelda and Peach.
Oh, I guess I can see that. I treat it as desert. There's Melee which is my steak, Brawl which is like veggies, then I go out to a bakery to get a PM cake.
I thought Smash 4 was the cake.
GiantBreadbug
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If a piece of software primarily uses large chunks of code from an already existing game and alters it, it is not its own game.
I'm not talking semantics here, I'm talking about code and the technical bits. This does not mean porting models and old code makes a game not its own, but when said things compose a majority of the game, it's a mod. This includes things like engines, effects, models, animations, AI, level design, etc.
Project M is good. It is not a new game. It is not a remake built from the ground up. It is built from Brawl up (in terms of code). That is why it is a mod and not its own new game.
If the PM team had completely created PM from scratch using only code they wrote, it would be its own game.
I'm not disparaging it. It's good. I like it.
MrSaturn99
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No, Melee was the cake that was actually well-done. Stop getting confused!
SkullHydra
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Is Smash 4 the side of potatoes or the refreshing beverage?
Meanwhile, the only male characters which consistently get lewd mods are Snake and Wario.
I do agree that it's annoying how some people consider Project M its own game when it is just a Brawl hack, and then use that to justify their opinion that the Project M creators are better game designers than Sakurai.
That said, I love project M, and I'm not gonna let a few annoying fans keep me from enjoying all the hard work the Project M team accomplished!
That said, I love project M, and I'm not gonna let a few annoying fans keep me from enjoying all the hard work the Project M team accomplished!
I think those people are in the minority, plus there's not that many people playing Project M period. I really feel the issue's overblown.
Yeah, I agree with this. Plus the majority of the "game design" changes they made for Project M was just "put physics back to how it was in Melee". It's Project Melee after all. Still very impressive to get stuff frame by frame the same as Melee.
SoldnerKei
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and soon Palutena, WFT and Shulk!
seriously if they find a way to mod Smash 4 I don't know what to expect... Project Melee HD perhaps P:
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Tonight we get Ganondorf! With Sakurai making a joke about him still being a clone.
StreetsAhead
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I've never played it and, honestly, don't care to, but I have no problems with it existing. In fact, havig read up on it recently it seems mostly quite well done. However, like with certain competitive Melee players, there are a very small minority of people who can be very forceful in their appreciation. But that can be said of pretty much everything.
The S3 Project, probably.
JB-the-Hunter
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Is this a serious comment?
Smash eroge visual novels
ShockingAlberto
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Eugh, that price.
I really hope the next generations of handhelds just have HDMI out, but knowing Nintendo, they'll somehow have this feature and put it some sort of strange unstrippable HDCP.
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