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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!
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Nostremitus
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That's true, I don't know any great low profile heatsinks in that price range, though.
He's cooling a 53W chip. He doesn't need anything great, just something adequate and quiet for a reasonable price. The Pentium Anniversary can hit ~4.4GHz with the stock cooler, it doesn't need a lot.
Edit: My suggestion of the Zalman was based on this... It was the sweet spot between cooling and cost.
If you ram has errors, at some random point, you could experience crashes, BSOD, wierd performance issues and etc. if you are fine with that, that's up to you. Personally, I wouldn't do any data important task on that PC.
Go into My Computer. You should see listing of all yor drives and their names. You can change if you want.
Mine: OS(C
, Games(D, Media(E and Storage(F.thanks, maybe i'll use stock =]
I was hoping to get a 3TB for my HTPC.. but this is the best deal I can find..
WD Black 2 TB Desktop Hard Drive - 3.5", SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB Buffer (WD2003FZEX)
85$ after MIR.. should I bite?
PjotrStroganov
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Nice rig. With that case and a modular PSU you can do much better management than that though
There's plenty space behind the back panel.As for the led. Try and find an option in the bios to change this. Otherwise just pull the led wires.
Alethebeer
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GAF, i have a silly question :/. I just built my very first computer. Everything went smooth but there's a thing that makes me mad. Speaker does not work
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I tried both directions (with the label up and with the label down, since pins are aligned horizontally) and i don't tnink i am plugging it in the wrong spot (JFP2 in the Mobo)
MSI H97 Gaming 3
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I tried both directions (with the label up and with the label down, since pins are aligned horizontally) and i don't tnink i am plugging it in the wrong spot (JFP2 in the Mobo)
MSI H97 Gaming 3
It should have red and black cables. Red is +, black is -. It can sometimes be only for mobo beep noises, don't expect windows audio through it.
Minimal performance benefit over 212 on Heatwell. If you want looks just get a 55 or 60 or 75.
You'll get a CPU cooler in the box with the CPU. However if you want to overclock you'll need to buy a better one like the Hyper 212. For the sake of $25 now I'd do it. Not only will you get better performance from your system but it'll also run quieter too.
As for that system as a whole, you'll not be very far off very high settings and 60fps at 1080p.
AIO leaks are rare.
From what I know too the H80 is a better VFM part than the 100/105. I'm sure someone with more knowledge can chime in but the difference I don't think is really worth the extra outlay.
Another point on the stock cooler that comes with the G3258. It's not the same one that the regular Pentium's get. It's the better model with copper rather than aluminium construction that it comes with, same one that cools the i7s.
Get a bigger air cooler, performs better or on par to the H105 for less money and will be silent, the Corsair wont be.
Nostremitus
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Ah, good to know.
PC GAFers, I was directed to this thread so hopefully you guys can help me. I'm trying to get into 3d game programming (Unreal Engine) and I would also like to start developing for the Oculus Rift. Can you guys recommend a good video card I can use for both which will run me under $250? I was given a recommendation to use GTX 760, but I'm not sure if this will fit in my current machine: http://h20566.www2.hp.com/portal/si...ac.admitted=1409697474566.876444892.199480143
Just measure out 10 inches.
If it won't fit get one of the small 760's from MSI.
Make sure you have PSU power and PCI-E power plugs for it too.
Post rest of machine also just in case. Looks like a workstation?
xBladeM6x
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Thanks for the suggestions. I believe I've settled on the 212, but I have Vengeance Pro RAM, and I know that shit won't allow room for the 212, so I was thinking about going with this RAM.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
So you are saying I'm better off sticking with the stock G3258 CPU cooler, right?
Hmm, would you say buying a 780ti is still a safe purchase this close to the 900 series ?
Do I have to think about some cooling solution or are the stock fans adequate ?
And will putting a 780ti in a cooler master silencio turn the thing into one of the circles of hell, temp wise ?
I hope I'm making sense, never been very knowledgeable tech wise.
Do I have to think about some cooling solution or are the stock fans adequate ?
And will putting a 780ti in a cooler master silencio turn the thing into one of the circles of hell, temp wise ?
I hope I'm making sense, never been very knowledgeable tech wise.
PjotrStroganov
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Shame that Scythe aren't officially available in the US. They have some very nice low profile cooler solutions for you guys. If space is no problem then the Mugen 4 and Kotetsu would also be a great choice. http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1391-page6.html
paperspace
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If you ram has errors, at some random point, you could experience crashes, BSOD, wierd performance issues and etc. if you are fine with that, that's up to you. Personally, I wouldn't do any data important task on that PC.
Go into My Computer. You should see listing of all yor drives and their names. You can change if you want.
Mine: OS(C
So far, there haven't occured any crashes or whatever, but like you say, better get a replacement so I don't risk ruining something important. Thanks!
Thanks! Yes this is a workstation. Looks like I have enough room, there is a PCI-E slot right below the ruler:
Here are the available connectors on my power supply:
Also, I upgraded the machine to 8gb of ram.
I may be missing something here, but I have the 212 Evo and Vengeance Pro RAM on an Asus Z97-A, and I had no problem fitting the RAM (see the picture I posted above).
EatinOlives
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OK, I've been meaning to make an upgrade to my CPU but I want to run some ideas by you guys.
I've been holding off on doing a CPU upgrade because 1) I have an i5-750 that uses a socket that is out of date at this point, meaning 2) I need a new mobo, but since I have a mATX-sized case that is frankly way too small in the 4+ years of me owning this PC that means 3) I need a new case.
So about 1), I've OC'd my CPU up to about 3.6 or 3.7 GHz, about the highest it could go while still maintaining system stability. I knew they could go up to 4.2ish so I was a bit disappointed that my CPU couldn't take it (I do have an aftermarket cooling solution that keeps temperature within reason, so that's not the issue, it's just the CPU). It's a midrange CPU that's 4+ years old, so I think it's getting long in the tooth, but I'm just not sure how much of a difference it would make. It's most obvious when I try to run anything on Dolphin, as it struggles even on some of my easier-to-emulate GC games. Forget about CPU-heavy Wii games like SMG2. Regular PC games I do fine on. I already have a GTX 770 and am booting off an SSD, and since most games aren't that CPU-bound I don't get very many instances where a regular PC game is being bottlenecked by the CPU. But, again, 4+ year old midrange CPU and it very much struggles in CPU-bound applications. How much of an improvement would I expect to see if I get a good (better than midrange but not top-of-the-line) CPU? Are CPUs expected to be refreshed soon?
So about 2), when a case is advertised as "mid-size", does that mean any size mobo will work or can it only be a mid-size mobo?
And about 3), I'm eyeing the NZXT Source 210, mostly because of the price but also because I've used NZXT as my previous mATX case and it's been fantastic. Any other recommendations in this price range?
I've been holding off on doing a CPU upgrade because 1) I have an i5-750 that uses a socket that is out of date at this point, meaning 2) I need a new mobo, but since I have a mATX-sized case that is frankly way too small in the 4+ years of me owning this PC that means 3) I need a new case.
So about 1), I've OC'd my CPU up to about 3.6 or 3.7 GHz, about the highest it could go while still maintaining system stability. I knew they could go up to 4.2ish so I was a bit disappointed that my CPU couldn't take it (I do have an aftermarket cooling solution that keeps temperature within reason, so that's not the issue, it's just the CPU). It's a midrange CPU that's 4+ years old, so I think it's getting long in the tooth, but I'm just not sure how much of a difference it would make. It's most obvious when I try to run anything on Dolphin, as it struggles even on some of my easier-to-emulate GC games. Forget about CPU-heavy Wii games like SMG2. Regular PC games I do fine on. I already have a GTX 770 and am booting off an SSD, and since most games aren't that CPU-bound I don't get very many instances where a regular PC game is being bottlenecked by the CPU. But, again, 4+ year old midrange CPU and it very much struggles in CPU-bound applications. How much of an improvement would I expect to see if I get a good (better than midrange but not top-of-the-line) CPU? Are CPUs expected to be refreshed soon?
So about 2), when a case is advertised as "mid-size", does that mean any size mobo will work or can it only be a mid-size mobo?
And about 3), I'm eyeing the NZXT Source 210, mostly because of the price but also because I've used NZXT as my previous mATX case and it's been fantastic. Any other recommendations in this price range?
Lol. No. New cards are usually kept at the same price or you might get lucky and find a 'clearance' one. But used cards usually drop down a little bit. Video cards retain their value quite well.
Why is mATX too small? I have an 2011 socket mATX board in an mATX case and could even run SLI if i wanted. Which case do you own now?
Dolphin will get a boost in performance mainly due to the new SSSE instrcution sets and AVX (if dolphin supports that) as well as the increased efficiency (~35% lynnfield to haswell). The consumer and enthusiast set of CPUs have only just been refreshed, but for the consumer lineup it may well be another dead socket come the next CPUs (broadwell). On the Haswell-E platform it looks like Broadwell-E will be on X99 too. But this isnt a big deal really. Overclocked i5 4690k or i7 4790k is more than enough for you. I play Dolphin on a 3770 at 4.2Ghz no problems with 4x Internal Resolution set.
The case maybe a mid ATX, that just means its a smaller ATX case, still supports ATX and below sized boards. If the board is mATX or mITX then itll only support those boards. Mini/Midi whatever is just a description.
Decent case, others to look at, Silverstone TJ08E, Lian Li cases, Corsair and Fractal Designs mATX lineup. I prefer to stay away from plastic, so NZXT doesnt sit too highly with me, but cases are quite personal. They are all very good nowadays from reputable brands.
So you are saying that if I bite the bullet on a, I don't know, 500$ card, I won't find it lowered to 400$ in two weeks ? I mean, the thirst man, very real, but I imagine it would hurt.
Buy Haz's 290 for under $300.
Hmm looks like it MIGHT have enough. What is the PSU model? Needs good A on 12V and an adapter for 8pin pci-e power. How old is it too?Thanks! Yes this is a workstation. Looks like I have enough room, there is a PCI-E slot right below the ruler:
Here are the available connectors on my power supply:
Also, I upgraded the machine to 8gb of ram.
Probably need new PSU.
According to the HP website it's an 85% efficient 475W.
EatinOlives
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Thanks a bunch for the thorough response!
Regarding the case: My current one is an NZXT Vulcan:
http://static.bootic.com/_pictures/1419572/nzxt-vulcan.jpg
The reason why I think it's too small is because I stuck one GTX 770 in and it's sitting super close to the mounted HDDs on the opposite end of the case. Hell, the PSU cables running toward the case and DVD drive are resting against the side of the GTX 770. Similarly, the aftermarket cooling solution I got for my CPU is standard in height, but was too tall for me to have that and the side fan, so I had to take the side fan out. Not to mention it's just generally really tight and uncomfortable to try to run cables in general. I've not encountered a situation where something physically doesn't fit (other than the fan, but that's very minor IMO), but it's just uncomfortable and my uneducated guess is it's probably not very good for ventilation.
Yeah I don't think I want to go all enthusiast on CPU. Nowadays for gaming it's been mostly GPU bound so I don't want to really break the bank here, so I think an OC'd midrange CPU would do well enough for my needs.
And thanks for the case recommendations! I'll look into them!
I was looking at the pictures of the video card on amazon (evga GeForce gtx760) and it looks to have both 8 pin and 6 pin power connectors, I thought it would support both?
So here is a pic of the PSU, seems like the total output power is 475w but I'm not sure if this will work.
No that means it needs both.I was looking at the pictures of the video card on amazon (evga GeForce gtx760) and it looks to have both 8 pin and 6 pin power connectors, I thought it would support both?
So here is a pic of the PSU, seems like the total output power is 475w but I'm not sure if this will work.
Some 760's are single 8pin power so you _could_ try a 6pin to 8pin or data or molex to PCI-E 6 pin then plug both 6 pins into an 8pin adapter. Either way is not pretty.
Good news is PSU is adequate. Probably get a SATA to PCI-E 6 pin then a 2x 6 pin PCI to 8 pin PCI-E adapter.
Small fire hazard but you don't need a new PSU
Good news is PSU is adequate. Probably get a SATA to PCI-E 6 pin then a 2x 6 pin PCI to 8 pin PCI-E adapter.
Small fire hazard but you don't need a new PSU
Thanks!
Nice rig. With that case and a modular PSU you can do much better management than that though
The power cables are quite stiff, so i was scared I might break something if I fiddle around with it too much. I might give it another try at some point now that I know what goes where.
I just checked the BIOS, but couldn't find anything. I have considered unplugging it, but I like to have an indication that it's on. The spinning fans kind of give that away, but still, having a LED when it's on is quite nice, just the flashing when suspended is a bit too much.
Can you get us a pic of your rig internals?
I think you are worried over nothing, I've been through the fan stage of building and found that side panels rarely help (1-2c GPU temp), usually they wreck the airflow. A good test is to remove the side panel and see if temps change dramatically. The number one problem is air flow, not number or configuration or speed of fans. Having the right fans in the right place is what is key including the PSU.
There is nothing to worry about the end of the GPU being close to the HDD cage, majority of the ventilation is will be done from the fan side and the side you are worried about is pretty redundant. Both my mATX/ITX PCs are like this.
Let's see if you even have any issues by monitoring the CPU and GPU temps with HWmonitor, play a game and it'll record the max temps in the background, post the results here.
An i5 4690k will be ideal for you.
Looking at this, the case has decent cable management, maybe you just need to plan it out and slowly tidy all the cables up?
http://www.overclock.net/t/774308/the-official-nzxt-vulcan-owners-club/2340#post_20670789
Now that's saddening.
Hopefully EVGA gives a good shot at it, I couldn't believe my Rampage Gene IV overclocked better than my P9X79 Pro. The biggest hit is electronics stability on the mATX boards so I was very surprised.
Haloid1177
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Is there any reason why I shouldn't buy a GTX 770 anytime soon? About to have massive overhaul on my PC which hasn't been touched for five years, wondering if I should wait for anything.
Post 10000!
GTX 9xx series in the next few months and GTX 770 is poor value for money.
michaelius
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You shouldn't because Nvidia will probably show new cards on 18.09 and current price of 770 is bad (and I'm telling that as 770 owner
)I got mine for $290 on sale 6 months ago. I do not think that is too bad a value.
Reports of instability are abound already on the EVGA board. Typical EVGA early-BIOS gremlins that may or may not ever be resolved.
At this point, I'm hoping for a solid GB offering. They've done a pretty damn good job with their recent enthusiast mATX offerings.
Deathadder 2013? If so, there's not a lot, and everything would be a very very slight upgrade.
I spoke with the Corsair dude at PAX for at least an hour, and he did say that in terms of mice with good sensors (read: optical), that there is something in the pipeline that should be announced at the end of this month.
I basically begged him to take the M45 sensor and put it in the M65 body. He agreed, that is what should be done. He did come out and candidly say that the reason they can't do this is that most consumers buy mice based on the DPI # on the box. Putting the much more accurate and precise optical sensor in there limits that big DPI # in bold font.
But in terms of what is available now, you'd be looking at the Logi G402 (out in a few weeks), Steelseries Rival, Corsair M45, or CM Storm Spawn. Pick the one that best fits your grip type.
Rival = palm, M45 = hybrid, Spawn = claw. G402 is a weird one that seems to work best with small hands. I tried it for awhile at PAX and loved it, and I typically avoid Logi stuff.
For the keyboards, it doesn't matter at all. If you don't need the tenkey, I'd advise a Vortex Race:
Find one for $290 right now and you get a cookie.
Haloid1177
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Are the 9xx gonna be incredibly more expensive or equivalent to 7xx series? Is there anything else I should look at (Radeon) or just wait? Been out of the game for quite a while.
If you want to buy because you want to play games between now and then, the GTX 760, GTX 780, and R9 290 are all great values.
If you can wait another month though, you really should.
Firstly, thank you very much for the detailed reply.
Second, It's a deathadder from 2011-2012 so I think anything would be better than nothing... I use a fingertip grip.
That's a good price, they are still £200+ here in the UK. It's better value to get a 280x or 285 since they are similarly priced but with 3Gb VRAM which IMO is really going to needed in the near future. The trade off is the loss of nvidia based tech (gsync, physx etc) and less day 1 driver readiness. At normal pricing it's a hard choice, ideally a 770 with 3gb VRAM for the same price point would exist.
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