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[Pachimari]

Wait what... No Ice Climbers?

 

[Cse]

Yes, but it also takes away the surprise if you say 50+

This just seems a little ridiculous to me. I doubt Nintendo's marketing division is going to alter the wording in a commercial simply to conceal ambiguous information about the game from a select group of hardcore fans.

The intended audience for commercials such as this likely couldn't name more than 3 newcomers in the game. They wouldn't understand the significance "more than 50 characters", because they couldn't name more than a dozen.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

neat title

mine was going to be "Ridley will never be a playable character"

as soon as SSB4 launches i'm going to make a ridley scott mii fighter and PM you awkward miiverse screenshots of him non-stop out of spite

 

[Jawmuncher]

Other M should really never be mentioned or referenced again, aside from the suit I suppose.

And Anthony is such a generic character anyway.

I think you got that version with the wrong character. Anthony was great. Hell better than even samus in other m.

 

[Toxi]

They said at E3 they were planning new 2D and 3D Metroid titles, so probably not!

That's one way you can interpret it.

So it has been a while since we released the last one and we're having discussions internally about what we can do next. So at this point we have two different types of Metroid games. We have the Prime style of Metroid game and we have the more traditional style of Metroid game. We feel that we do need to take care of both of these styles of play. And the hope is that at some point in the near future we'll be able to share something about them.

original article

 

[Hatchtag]

Machamp is iconic

No shutup, that's just silly. Machamp's most famous role was being the rare holo in the very first constructed TCG deck

One of the first trade evos + role in Pokken.
Okay, Machamp was probably the most arguble Pokemon on the list.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

A large part of me thinks that Other M might be the last Metroid game ever.

;~;

They said they're continuing the series.

Miyamoto explicitly said "I like Prime. I think there's still a lot of new things that could be done with the Prime series."

EDIT: Beaten like Ridley.

 

[KelpPlankton]

Just had an interesting debate that turned into an argument for no reason with somebody regarding competitive tournament play and the new Smash. It got me curious so I figured I'd get a response from smashGAF.

Am I the only one that seems confident that Smash 3DS will not be supported at major/high-level tournaments once the Wii U version comes out? Heck, am I alone in thinking it won't even be majorly supported before the Wii U version comes out?

My main point revolved around the fact that competitive players actively avoid using non-crt monitors and wireless controllers due to potential lag/latency, and having a handheld device that requires wireless LAN to play wouldn't jive with that. I also mentioned that handheld games aren't as easy to spectate without incredibly expensive equipment.

Am I crazy, have I lost my mind? I thought this was a generally understood and universally agreed thing.

No, this is all not only reasonable it's what's going to happen.

Large-scale tournaments with lots of matches going on simultaneously in early rounds will not be doable with wireless multiplayer. There's a reason why wired controllers are the standard for fighting games, and it's not just latency, it's interference. Too many wireless devices of a similar nature doing things at the same time are going to mess eachother up.

Also there's a big difference between "bring your own controller" and "bring your own 3DS system", especially since homebrew stuff is supposedly starting to happen. I'm not saying anyone would do so, but having people provide their own systems with their own copy of the game increases the chance of them cheating in some way by quite a bit.

Combine that with the fact that only hard-wired 3DS units set up SPECIFICALLY for footage capture can be used to capture footage of the game, and you've got the least tournament friendly setup possible.

Wii U version will be fine for tournaments. 3DS version is going to be great for playing on the go, for playing online, and for playing locally with friends. It might even be good practice for the Wii U version! But it will not be tournament-friendly. Like, ever.

 

[Hot Coldman]

That's one way you can interpret it.


original article

idk that last line is pretty telling

Prime 4 and Dread confirmed

 

[A Link to the Past]

Sakurai considers Brawl to have 39 characters, which means that Sakurai doesn't count slots w/ multiple forms to be simply one character.

Also Pokken Fighters ain't shit, that's literally the most important thing Machamp's ever been in since Gen 1 and Pokken Fighters can't fight DKC2 and 3

 

[Love Deterrence]

Unfortunately, I missed out on Brawl (played it, but only for a couple of hours) as my time with the Wii was so limited. Been on a blackout from information pertaining to this game, but I'm incredibly excited to play it. Smash is always excellent, and I'm sure this one will be no different. Just came to share my excitement!

 

[ffdgh]

But they still count as one slot together. Pokemon trainer was made up of 3 characters and still counted as one slot


When?

True but pokemon trainer had that stupid stamina mechanic and forced switching so you couldn't use one of them indefinitely.

 

[Jawmuncher]

They said they're continuing the series.

Miyamoto explicitly said "I like Prime. I think there's still a lot of new things that could be done with the Prime series."

EDIT: Beaten like Ridley.

I didn't like prime though.....dammit

 

[Red Arremer]

Just had an interesting debate that turned into an argument for no reason with somebody regarding competitive tournament play and the new Smash. It got me curious so I figured I'd get a response from smashGAF.

Am I the only one that seems confident that Smash 3DS will not be supported at major/high-level tournaments once the Wii U version comes out? Heck, am I alone in thinking it won't even be majorly supported before the Wii U version comes out?

My main point revolved around the fact that competitive players actively avoid using non-crt monitors and wireless controllers due to potential lag/latency, and having a handheld device that requires wireless LAN to play wouldn't jive with that. I also mentioned that handheld games aren't as easy to spectate without incredibly expensive equipment.

Am I crazy, have I lost my mind? I thought this was a generally understood and universally agreed thing.

I believe that the 3DS version's success will depend on how well it'll work when there's a lot of 3DS systems running and connecting with each other.

Obviously the Wii U version will be the main one once it's out, but so far none of the TOs I've talked to or I've seen mention the 3DS version seemed to be opposed to the idea to host 3DS tournaments as side events.

I think that even if it's not a main event, the 3DS version likely is going to be played a lot at tourneys in friendlies/money matches, because it does not require any setups. You only need your system and cartridge to play - no free TV required, and you can finish your matches without being chased away by the TO to make room for actual tourney matches. And believe me, having too little stations is a BIG issue in tournament play (not only for Smash).

 

[A Link to the Past]

This just seems a little ridiculous to me. I doubt Nintendo's marketing division is going to alter the wording in a commercial simply to conceal ambiguous information about the game from a select group of hardcore fans.

The intended audience for commercials such as this likely couldn't name more than 3 newcomers in the game. They wouldn't understand the significance "more than 50 characters", because they couldn't name more than a dozen.

Commercials aren't just made for the droogs though, Sakurai loves to surprise and tease people, and would want to advise the marketing team to do just that.

 

[HiroTSK5]

I don't think the Mii Fighters are going to have their own slot, but rather have a menu where you select from a list of Miis that you have added and customized.

 

[-Horizon-]

Wait what... No Ice Climbers?

Didn't you get the memo? Everyone was cut, not just IC.

 

[Richie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBXddbXQaXE

So the commercial released and this one says "over 40 characters". If there really was more characters to the roster to make it 54 characters wouldn't it just be nicer to say over 50 characters? Cause you know more is better is a big thing when you market something etc etc

Spoiler

I think we saw the final roster

They did that so when they reveal the 5 missing characters that will be Day One on Wii U and free DLC for 3DS, they can advertise the U version saying "over 50 characters"!

Spoiler

I want to believe

 

[Crocodile]

But they still count as one slot together. Pokemon trainer was made up of 3 characters and still counted as one slot

Irrelevant, Sakurai and Nintendo consider them 3 different characters (and they all have widely different movepools so its justified) just as Pokemon Trainer was 3x characters. Zelda/Shieka nd Samus/ZSS also used to share a slot and they were always considered two characters each.

 

[BGBW]

Most people think Exeggcute is a bunch of eggs when they are actually seeds. No one makes that kind of mistake with Dixie, no one thinks she is a giraffe! If you can't even get the type of object they are meant to be right then they have no chance.

 

[Jawmuncher]

They did that so when they reveal the 5 missing characters that will be Day One on Wii U and free DLC for 3DS, they can advertise the U version saying "over 50 characters"!

Spoiler

I want to believe

My theory as well.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

idk that last line is pretty telling

Prime 4 and Dread confirmed

I find it more telling Miyamoto seems to skirt around Other M's entire existence in that quote.

 

[A Link to the Past]

There is even MORE cause to call them separate characters - Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard all had a move devoted to transformation, while the Mii Fighters have only combat moves.

 

[rekameohs]

I find it more telling Miyamoto seems to skirt around Other M's entire existence in that quote.

Hey, I would too, to be fair.

Thanks Obama Sakamoto

 

[Red Arremer]

I find it more telling Miyamoto seems to skirt around Other M's entire existence in that quote.

Nintendo is quite conscious about badly received/selling games. Other M did not do well, and I'm sure Miyamoto recognizes that as well as anyone.

 

[Benzychenz]

Sakurai considers Brawl to have 39 characters, which means that Sakurai doesn't count slots w/ multiple forms to be simply one character.

Also Pokken Fighters ain't shit, that's literally the most important thing Machamp's ever been in since Gen 1 and Pokken Fighters can't fight DKC2 and 3

DKC2 and 3 are old games only grandpas have played.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Nintendo is quite conscious about badly received/selling games. Other M did not do well, and I'm sure Miyamoto recognizes that as well as anyone.

also see: GX bombing and the corpse of F-Zero

 

[Ahnez]

I find it more telling Miyamoto seems to skirt around Other M's entire existence in that quote.

And thats why Miyamoto is still one of the best in the industry

 

[Spinosaurus]

Most people think Exeggcute is a bunch of eggs when they are actually seeds. No one makes that kind of mistake with Dixie, no one thinks she is a giraffe! If you can't even get the type of object they are meant to be right then they have no chance.

what kind of seeds have a name that has "egg" in it

 

[Red Arremer]

also see: GX bombing and the corpse of F-Zero

They kinda tried shoving it off onto the GBA first, and it did even worse there, and then they just let it die.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

also see: GX bombing and the corpse of F-Zero

Miyamoto lumping GX/AX in with stupid shit like Adventures and Assault when he was talking about how outsourcing certain properties during the GCN era didn't work out was infuriating.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Guys what if this is the DLC, the only DLC (in no order of release) - all DLC packs w/ one veteran or newcomer, one clone, one stage, two songs, and trophies

Lucas
Roy

Wolf
Pichu

Squirtle
Dark Samus (clone of Samus)

Ivysaur
Isabelle (clone of Villager)

Ice Climbers
Mona (clone of Wario)

Mewtwo
Jody Summer (clone of Captain Falcon)

Doc Louis
Impa (semi-clone of Sheik)

Dixie Kong
Kumatora (semi-clone of Lucas)

Ridley
Sami (clone of Snake)

Chorus Kids
Ryuta Ipponji (semi-clone of Captain Falcon)

Paper Mario
Dr. Luigi (clone of Luigi)

But then years down the road, surprise DLC

Snake
Simon Belmont

 

[Nocturnowl]

DKC2 and 3 are old games only grandpas have played.

The whippersnappers in this thread.

 

[The Bankslammer]

i don't know what the fuck happened with f-zero

like in 2002 nintendo was like "the kids love the falcon punch in the super smash brothers we should capitalize on that" and then they released a gamecube game, an arcade game, 2 gba games, and an anime within a year and a half span

like in what world is that a good idea

 

[Red Arremer]

Dark Samus being a clone of Samus, Jody being a clone of Falcon, and, more importantly, Mona being a clone of Wario makes no damn sense to me.

 

[HiroTSK5]

Miyamoto lumping GX/AX in with stupid shit like Adventures and Assault when he was talking about how outsourcing certain properties during the GCN era didn't work out was infuriating.

Hey now, I like Assault....'s multiplayer.

 

[Golnei]

DKC2 and 3 are old games only grandpas have played.

I thought the GBA ports did decently well? If the demographic on those was anything like the FF ports, then they sold to more people than just those who owned the SNES versions.

 

[Molemitts]

DKC3 son. Dixie Kong's Double Trouble. Like EA it's in the name. And then we have DKL3.

You are arguing for all 151 Pokémon, most of whom people have long forgotten vs a character who not only has their own leading roles but has just had a well received recent game that they've starred if.

It's a silly argument and there's really no point in continuing because no matter how many words you type, they'll all be wrong. That's not an opinion, that is logically deduced fact.

People have forgotten the original 151 Pokemon? LMAO Um... no, I hope you're joking, but in case you aren't: Leading a role doesn't make you more iconic than the members of a game that has become a huge part of pop-culture. So stop dictating your opinion as fact.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Dark Samus being a clone of Samus, Jody being a clone of Falcon, and, more importantly, Mona being a clone of Wario makes no damn sense to me.

Sorry, meant to note Samus as a semi-clone.

Jody makes perfect sense though

And Mona is easy to do if you put your mind to it.

B? Just replace the Chomp with something to trap the opponents!

Down B? Mona drops a Wario Bomb explosion that sends her upward!

Side B? This is easy, her scooter!

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Hey now, I like Assault....'s multiplayer.

It had nice music and a few neat story ideas that didn't really translate to interesting gameplay. I have no clue after the backlash to stapling the SF licence onto Dinosaur Planet how Nintendo kept insisting for another two games that people didn't really want arcade, bullet-shooter style action in SF.

Literally all of the original 151 Pokemon are more "iconic" than Dixie Kong

If I have to use google just to tell what the fuck I'm even looking at in Pokemon then I refute the claim the original 151 all more iconic than someone who already has several million-selling games in her name.

 

[HiroTSK5]

And Mona is easy to do if you put your mind to it.

B? Just replace the Chomp with something to trap the opponents!

Down B? Mona drops a Wario Bomb explosion that sends her upward!

Side B? This is easy, her scooter!

Needs more Pizza

It had nice music and a few neat story ideas that didn't really translate to interesting gameplay. I have no clue after the backlash to stapling the SF licence onto Dinosaur Planet how Nintendo kept insisting for another two games that people didn't really want arcade, bullet-shooter style action in SF.

Music was godly, single player had hiccups I admit.

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

Hey now, I like Assault....'s multiplayer.

4 player on Corneria made me a believer in the possibility of allowing you to get out of your vehicle

Nothing was more badass than flying your arwing, hopping onto the wing and shooting people from in the air as it flew on in autopilot

 

[QuixoticNeutral]

No, this is all not only reasonable it's what's going to happen.

Large-scale tournaments with lots of matches going on simultaneously in early rounds will not be doable with wireless multiplayer. There's a reason why wired controllers are the standard for fighting games, and it's not just latency, it's interference. Too many wireless devices of a similar nature doing things at the same time are going to mess eachother up.

Also there's a big difference between "bring your own controller" and "bring your own 3DS system", especially since homebrew stuff is supposedly starting to happen. I'm not saying anyone would do so, but having people provide their own systems with their own copy of the game increases the chance of them cheating in some way by quite a bit.

Combine that with the fact that only hard-wired 3DS units set up SPECIFICALLY for footage capture can be used to capture footage of the game, and you've got the least tournament friendly setup possible.

Wii U version will be fine for tournaments. 3DS version is going to be great for playing on the go, for playing online, and for playing locally with friends. It might even be good practice for the Wii U version! But it will not be tournament-friendly. Like, ever.

I concur with all of this, although I think there is a potential use for the 3DS version that I haven't seen discussed.

The biggest problem with the Wii U hardware right now is that it doesn't support copying save data blocks from one system to another. It's absolutely the worst thing about what is otherwise a magnificent piece of kit, and unless my meagre understanding of the Smash scene is mistaken, it creates an additional hurdle for tournament organization (especially at the grassroots level) if you want your tournament consoles to have all characters and stages unlocked (and moveset customizations, should they ever figure into a separate competitive metagame, as I hope they will). The 3DS version, along with Amiibo, could potentially provide a stopgap solution for easily setting up a roughly standardized tournament file aboard the Wii U, or at the very least load characters/customizations onto the console as needed.

But this is all speculation on my part until we know more about what exactly the 3DS/Wii U synchronization actually does. And communication issues, along with shoddier controls and the impending possibility of homebrew hacks, will no doubt preclude any serious local 3DS competitions beyond the scale and audiovisual resources available at Nintendo's own public demonstrations.

 

[A Link to the Past]

People have forgotten the original 151 Pokemon? LMAO Um... no, I hope you're joking, but in case you aren't: Leading a role doesn't make you more iconic than the members of a game that has become a huge part of pop-culture. So stop dictating your opinion as fact.

The fact is though

Grandma doesn't care about Voltorb or Dixie Kong

So Grandma can GTFO

It's all about whether people can point and say "that was on a Campbell's soup can"

 

[Troubled Bat]

I still wish Ganondorf was his own character, with Black Shadow taking in his past moveset..but nope.

 

[Gonzo The Great]

http://smashboards.com/threads/k-ro...one-of-us-today.324259/page-418#post-17469786

This would be the greatest roster in gaming history.

 

[Lunar15]

also see: GX bombing and the corpse of F-Zero

Next time don't release it on the same day as Soul Calibur II: Featuring Link.

Just saying.

Spoiler

Ah, who am I kidding, it wouldn't have sold anyway.

 

[Red Arremer]

Sorry, meant to note Samus as a semi-clone.

Jody makes perfect sense though

And Mona is easy to do if you put your mind to it.

B? Just replace the Chomp with something to trap the opponents!

Down B? Mona drops a Wario Bomb explosion that sends her upward!

Side B? This is easy, her scooter!

While Jody is a member of the F-Zero universe's authority (not sure if it's police or army) and surely has acquired certain amounts of training, I do not believe that she would make sense using Falcon Punches, Falcon Kicks, kneeing for justice, doing elbow bashes, or showing you her moves. Frankly, I think she would make more sense with martial arts movesets like Snake's or Sheik's or even Fox's.

As for Mona, I am not referring to the specials (only), but also, and specifically, to the normals. Wario's extremely quirky way of moving does not fit Mona in the slightest. Everything that Wario does in his normals is very Wario in style, and wouldn't really fit any other character I can think of.

 

[rekameohs]

Lol why do people think Smash is some sort of popularity contest? The second game featured Ice Climbers, Mr Game and Watch, and fucking Roy, a character from a game that hadn't even been released anywhere yet. Why would the fourth game randomly care about if some people remember some random Pokemon from the anime?

 

[Toxi]

i don't know what the fuck happened with f-zero

like in 2002 nintendo was like "the kids love the falcon punch in the super smash brothers we should capitalize on that" and then they released a gamecube game, an arcade game, 2 gba games, and an anime within a year and a half span

like in what world is that a good idea

Don't ask me. These are the same people who didn't advertise their high production value justification for the Wiimote.