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[boogie2988]

I don't think you associate with a wide enough variety of people if you think any of that nonsense is going to start happening.

Thankfully, people are more reasonable in real life than on the internet and no one is going to care about you playing a game on your phone.

I hope that you are right. I've spent a lifetime being picked on for one thing or another and its honestly only been the last 4 or 5 years that being a gamer wasn't one of them.

I'm terrified of that for you or anyone else. I'm probably a bit paranoid about it too.

I hope your predictions come to pass instead of my own.

 

[boogie2988]

Not to mention the "jocks" (nice generalization) are the ones in high school wearing video game/nerd culture shirts now anyways...

You caught me there for sure. Sorry for the generalization. Not all jocks are mean people. I played football for 3 years and played nintendo when I got home

 

[romulus91]

I don't think you associate with a wide enough variety of people if you think any of that nonsense is going to start happening.

Thankfully, people are more reasonable in real life than on the internet and no one is going to care about you playing a game on your phone.

last night on prime time radio, the whole anita sarkeesian was reported on --- this is in Australia

 

[thepotatoman]

So you are saying there is a healthy way to approach a subject? That would require no mudslinging. I'm not holding my breath on that ever happening on the internet, not with the way twitter is acting right now.

In my mind I'd like to see gamers try and prove themselves to not be "misogynistic, hatefueled, ignorant, homophobic, idiots" by focusing mostly on criticizing the gamers that are that way, rather than putting so much focus on people calling gamers as such.

If we get to a place where I see more people calling out the bad apples than I see people defending the bad apples, I'd be more willing to hear a case for fighting against the generalization, but until then I feel the generalization is fair.

And I do not feel like articles about gamers being misogynistic is as destructive as gamers harassing women is, so I think it's not putting the right equivalence on things to put the articles on equal or higher ground than the significant number of gamers that just act terribly. If we're going to give any negative attention to articles calling out gamers for being misogynistic, it needs to be done as a footnote to calling out the significant number of gamers that are misogynistic, not as the main point of discussion.

 

[jaosobno]

I'm not backing down, i stand by the video. But I'm saying its a misfire because it did not adequately communicate the point that I wanted to make to the gaffers and I really wish that it had. I'll blame my exhaustion over the issue and other personal issues I'm having.

all I wanted to say is that people who are not involved need to get involved if they value their hobby because we're about to re-enter the shit I went through in highschool. When this gets picked up by CNN and the like, and i believe it will at this point, we're fucked. Get ready to be pantsed by jocks for having a game on your fucking phone. Get ready to have to hide the fact that you play video games from people at the office.

If people speak up before that happens maybe they'll report that, too.

While CNN, Fox News and others might bring some light to this subject in a negative and bombastic manner, I can't agree that this will introduce a new wave of "gamer abuse". Just like so many other controversies, people are going to talk about it for a few days and then forget about it.

This might be a hot topic for people involved with the industry (whether they work in it or simply follow the news about it), but people outside won't really care that much.

 

[Scofield94941]

Boogie is right, if this continues all gamers will be seen in a negative light. Kids bully over stupid things and if they hear on facebook that all gamers hate women, racist, etc... they will bully them and put them in that category. We need to let our voices be heard that we are not. The message is clear boogs , we need to stand up for our selves and let people know we dont associate with the bad apples.

 

[PewPewK]

Hey guys, boogie here.

Don't worry boogie, I'll still love you regardless.

 

[ponpo]

I hope that you are right. I've spent a lifetime being picked on for one thing or another and its honestly only been the last 4 or 5 years that being a gamer wasn't one of them.

I'm terrified of that for you or anyone else. I'm probably a bit paranoid about it too.

I hope your predictions come to pass instead of my own.

last night on prime time radio, the whole anita sarkeesian was reported on --- this is in Australia

I think the main point is the world at large doesn't care and most people in real life are many times more reasonable than on the internet.

If people at the office STILL don't think you're a serial killer for playing Grand Theft Auto they're not going to start thinking you hate women because you play Puzzle & Dragons or whatever.

If all you talk about are video games and you heavily identify as a 'gamer' outwardly then maybe you'll be judged but people are judged for all sorts of traits.

 

[boogie2988]

While CNN, Fox News and others might bring some light to this subject in a negative and bombastic manner, I can't agree that this will introduce a new wave of "gamer abuse". Just like so many other controversies, people are going to talk about it for a few days and then forget about it.

This might be a hot topic for people involved with the industry (whether they work in it or simply follow the news about it), but people outside won't really care that much.

If CNN reports it, or god forbid it makes daytime shows, you absolutely have to agree that there are going to be some parents who are going to have some 'talks' with their 'teens' about that 'gaming' stuff.

and god forbid it gets rebranded as 'not for girls' again because whoever hosts their daytime show says its misogynistic. i'll eat a goddamned bullet if that happens.

 

[libregkd]

When this gets picked up by CNN and the like, and i believe it will at this point, we're fucked. Get ready to be pantsed by jocks for having a game on your fucking phone. Get ready to have to hide the fact that you play video games from people at the office.

If people speak up before that happens maybe they'll report that, too.

The problem is that I don't think it's going to get to that point. Gaming is at a point where it is more diverse and accessible than it ever has been before. This situation is not going to change that. I feel that it should be fairly obvious that many of the articles written on this subject, such as the Leigh Alexander piece, aren't demonizing the entire population of people who play games. These people are, after all, also people who play games, associate with people who play games, and want games to be something that become even more mainstream and enjoyed by more and more people. I feel it's a lot of people who feel these articles are talking about them when they aren't. Of course this is just my interpretation of most of the articles I have read. Obviously a lot of people do not share that view.

If it ever does get reported on some national media outlet. It'll be an exposition on how shitty a portion of the people who play games are and how that sub-culture acts/reacts. It won't be a piece that demonizes all of gaming that will make parents think that they need to delete all their apps from their and their child's phone.

 

[boogie2988]

The problem is that I don't think it's going to get to that point. Gaming is at a point where it is more diverse and accessible than it ever has been before. This situation is not going to change that. I feel that it should be fairly obvious that many of the articles written on this subject, such as the Leigh Alexander piece, aren't demonizing the entire population of people who play games. These people are, after all, also people who play games, associate with people who play games, and want games to be something that become even more mainstream and enjoyed by more and more people. I feel it's a lot of people who feel these articles are talking about them when they aren't. Of course this is just my interpretation of most of the articles I have read. Obviously a lot of people do not share that view.

If it ever does get reported on some national media outlet. It'll be an exposition on how shitty a portion of the people who play games are and how that sub-culture acts/reacts. It won't be a piece that demonizes all of gaming that will make your parents delete all their apps from their phone.

I hope you are right, but I was around for the "dungeons and dragons = satan worship" days. the media sensationalized that and will sensationalize this, i'm afraid.

Same way they do every shooting.

 

[Kinglicious]

I'm not backing down, i stand by the video. But I'm saying its a misfire because it did not adequately communicate the point that I wanted to make to the gaffers and I really wish that it had. I'll blame my exhaustion over the issue and other personal issues I'm having.

all I wanted to say is that people who are not involved need to get involved if they value their hobby because we're about to re-enter the shit I went through in highschool. When this gets picked up by CNN and the like, and i believe it will at this point, we're fucked. Get ready to be pantsed by jocks for having a game on your fucking phone. Get ready to have to hide the fact that you play video games from people at the office.

If people speak up before that happens maybe they'll report that, too.

Boogie, please remember that everyone who has kept track of this is exhausted. You, at the very least, are talking and trying to get people to calm down and remember what it's like to talk to another human being. Your points are clear, your emotion is felt. Everyone is just tired as this war continues and right now the ending we're headed to seems to be scorched earth. You're one of the few people trying to get people to take a step back, get out of their tunnel vision, and realize that we've gone WAY too far and over the line but... well, tonight's antics make me feel like tomorrow will be worse.

 

[Opt1kon_]

I'm glad that he made this video. The vitriol, and the "us versus them" mentality of games press has gotten so goddamn stupid that it makes my head hurt. I'm all for diversity in games but even as a Black dude I've always enjoyed games for what they are regardless of a character's race or gender.

Exactly this, I've never questioned why the main character of certain series wasn't a female or wasn't black, doesn't make me hate Females, i love them and respect them equally and i love Video games just as much

 

[unbias]

In my mind I'd like to see gamers try and prove themselves to not be "misogynistic, hatefueled, ignorant, homophobic, idiots" by focusing mostly on criticizing the gamers that are that way, rather than putting so much focus on people calling gamers as such.

If we get to a place where I see more people calling out the bad apples than I see people defending the bad apples, I'd be more willing to hear a case for fighting against the generalization, but until then I feel the generalization is fair.

And I do not feel like articles about gamers being misogynistic is as destructive as gamers harassing women is, so I think it's not putting the right equivalence on things to put the articles on equal or higher ground than the significant number of gamers that just act terribly. If we're going to give any negative attention to articles calling out gamers for being misogynistic, it needs to be done as a footnote to calling out the significant number of gamers that are misogynistic, not as the main point of discussion.

I dunno. I think that is just saying "your shit stinks worse". Which is true, it does, but glass houses just turn into a bunch of broken buildings. Unless you can show the current tactic is working, I'm not sure how you can say "well I don't think it matters". You can believe with all your heart that it shouldn't matter because X is worse, regardless of the theoretical ratio of bigot to not bigot. But again, what is the reality of the situation telling you? Either the situation is un-winnable or you have to change tactics. Or I guess do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

 

[jaosobno]

If CNN reports it, or god forbid it makes daytime shows, you absolutely have to agree that there are going to be some parents who are going to have some 'talks' with their 'teens' about that 'gaming' stuff.

Unfortunately, there will always be overly concerned parents, just waiting for the next "controversy" to instill fear in their kids.

It happens every time there is a new Grand Theft Auto game, and there are plenty examples outside of gaming.

 

[Corpekata]

Given Breitbart has picked up Gamergate I think you have to worry more about Fox News attempting to take your side than CNN attacking you.


Then CNN will attack you.

 

[Majukun]

In my mind I'd like to see gamers try and prove themselves to not be "misogynistic, hatefueled, ignorant, homophobic, idiots" by focusing mostly on criticizing the gamers that are that way, rather than putting so much focus on people calling gamers as such.

If we get to a place where I see more people calling out the bad apples than I see people defending the bad apples, I'd be more willing to hear a case for fighting against the generalization, but until then I feel the generalization is fair.

And I do not feel like articles about gamers being misogynistic is as destructive as gamers harassing women is, so I think it's not putting the right equivalence on things to put the articles on equal or higher ground than the significant number of gamers that just act terribly. If we're going to give any negative attention to articles calling out gamers for being misogynistic, it needs to be done as a footnote to calling out the significant number of gamers that are misogynistic, not as the main point of discussion.

It's the entire point that can't be taken seriously.what you like doesn't make who you are
Quoting someone else:gamers are assholes,gamers are the kindest people in the entire world.gamers are people and people are like that.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

But please understand it comes from a good place. Two wrongs never make a right and smearing the name of gamers and reading things like "All gamers are worthless" and "All gamers are neckbeards" and "All gamers are misogynists" is fucking killing me inside. I snapped. I lost it. I poured that emotion out in a video and its helped me. I think I might sleep tonight.

Though it might sound similar to past bullying of gamers, from what I've deserved this is far more of an in-group argument than what you're thinking about.

For a long time there's been a "ohyou're not a true gamer"-type mentality towards various groups. (especially large chunks of the SJ-crowd)

Before the #gamergate hashtag started up I saw a number of SJ-oriented small time indie devs either quitting or considering quitting due to feeling "Unwanted by gamers" (not too surprising due to some of the harrassment campaigns going on.)

The aggressive reaction to the term "gamer" seems to stem from severe dissatisfaction with a loud chunk of the "gamer in-crowd" that seems concerned with seperating the "gamer" identity from "anyone who plays games". (The notorious candy crush mom doesn't qualifies as a "gamer" even to a lot of people here on gaf, from what I gather.)

There's quite a difference, to me, between a bunch of popular physically bullying jocks bullying gamers & a fed up minority within gaming feeling entirely disenfranchised.


(It's why I like that mega mole avatar person on twitter negatively describing gamers, to me it's the perfect image to represent what's going on here.)

I hope you are right, but I was around for the "dungeons and dragons = satan worship" days. the media sensationalized that and will sensationalize this, i'm afraid.

Same way they do every shooting.

I'd be interested to see who Fox would side on in an argument between Feminists and Gamers to be honest, I'm pretty sure Fox absolutely loathes both of those groups.

 

[KageZero]

Ok can someone tell me what is going on here? It seems that i'm coming from another planet in this thread since i have no idea what is going on... Can someone sum up for me what is going on?

 

[RiamuBME]

I remember when gaming was about arguing whether one console was better than another. We gradually fazed that kind of nonsense out. Now we are trapped in a new state. As gaming on a technological standpoint evolves, becoming more equal between consoles and companies. With gamers caring less about exclusives and more about whether a console has Netflix. People feel the need to argue about something else.

Gaming has been affected by the uprising of the internet and the freedoms it allows, more than any other industry. Gaming forums, Youtube and places like Gaf allow people to complain, slander and down right chastise people under anonymity. Frail people who would struggle to have their opinions voiced in real life, now have a place where they are free to discuss and voice opinions without consequence.

We've now got to a point where it has become ridiculous. People take this liberty too far. People can just call each other cunts without even thinking about, making people feel afraid in their own homes because they made a video defending a very real social issue. How does this have anything to do with gaming. You aren't defending gaming by threatening and calling others "Cunts and bitches". I wouldn't allow anyone to defend my passion and hobby in such disgusting ways.

Social Justice. Is something far beyond gaming, me playing Mario 3D Land with my girlfriend at home, is worlds away from this. Social justice is something that effects all of us not just gamers. But just because a few gamers are calling for changes doesn't mean they're attacking gamers or gaming. They are looking at the bigger picture and attempting to change something by doing something small in the field they know best.

At the end of the day. This whole section of gaming history won't change or resolve much. But if it makes a few people understand better what one minority of the gaming community goes through everyday, that is a good thing. But don't worry, your favorite games will still be around and continue to be so for a long time.

I don't agree with Anita fully. But I sure as hell respect her, she is braver than I am. To go into the hell pit and say it is too hot is bigger than any of us. Even if you don't agree with her, respect is warranted. There are evil, stupid people on either side of the argument and they are the people who are fueling this fire.

#Gamergate, #notallmen, #SJW, #quinnspriacy.

Do we really need to do this? If you're thinking of contributing to this argument or to a so called "Side" Think about how your friends, girlfriend or family would feel if they knew about your true ideals towards sexism and such. Is this you? Or are you really just being misinformed by people full of hatred on the internet.

I am not great at articulating myself without waffling on forever. But I have worked in the "Games Industry" for almost four years now. I won't lie. The greatest and most talented people in the industry have been women. The people I have met care about gaming and are more passionate than you can imagine. They are so passionate in fact, that they deal with the constant barrage of hate and misogynistic comments without letting it put them off working in the industry they love.

Now, people will from this paragraph determine which side I am supposedly on. But honestly, I don't want anyone to take my Bayonetta away. I am on no side.

I never say anything on subjects like this, but I just wanted to say my two cents on the subject. I hope this doesn't continue on much longer and we can come to a very amicable solution for this.

 

[PewPewK]

Ok can someone tell me what is going on here? It seems that i'm coming from another planet in this thread since i have no idea what is going on... Can someone sum up for me what is going on?

Unless I'm missing something, boogie made a video basically asking us (gamers) to get the word out there that we are not bigots, sexist, etc. as perpetuated by media today. He created a Twitter hashtag which is now being used to paint gamers in a very negative light. He's worried in this thread that the video might go viral and get picked up by major news outlets for all the wrong reasons and paint further gamers in a negative light.

Am I missing anything?

Edit:

Well, your first sentence is right. He didn't make the hash tag, and I don't think he's worried about this video going viral. The movement he's responding to has already gone viral. He's worried that CNN or someone will look into the story and misrepresent gamers.

You're completely and utterly wrong, please edit your post. He commented on an ongoing shitfest(on both sides, for 20 days apparently), in which the only way to win is not to participate. The hashtag existed before the video. He's worried that this shitfest will paint gamers in a bad light to the general public if it hits public news outlets. I won't confess to knowing every detail of this internet abortion of an argument(And by this, I mean the entire situation), so I can't outline it for you.

 

[thepotatoman]

I'm not backing down, i stand by the video. But I'm saying its a misfire because it did not adequately communicate the point that I wanted to make to the gaffers and I really wish that it had. I'll blame my exhaustion over the issue and other personal issues I'm having.

all I wanted to say is that people who are not involved need to get involved if they value their hobby because we're about to re-enter the shit I went through in highschool. When this gets picked up by CNN and the like, and i believe it will at this point, we're fucked. Get ready to be pantsed by jocks for having a game on your fucking phone. Get ready to have to hide the fact that you play video games from people at the office.

If people speak up before that happens maybe they'll report that, too.

I think it's far more likely for kids to see the real life bullying of fem frequency and Quinn, and reproduce that bullying, than it is for kids to bully someone for being a falsely accused misogynist. Usually the true homophobes, misogynists, and the like are the ones doing the bullying, not the other way around. So why would a misogynist label being added to gaming invite bullying?

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I'd be interested to see who Fox would side on in an argument between Feminists and Gamers to be honest, I'm pretty sure Fox absolutely loathes both of those groups.

If they catch onto the 4chan element of the gamer side they'll probably just play it off as two online terrorist groups attacking each other.

A Twitter flame war, even a large one, is not going to change that. It's not even going to register on most people's radars. Yes, even if it gets reported on by CNN. It's just so unbelievably minor. The demographic of people who play games has vastly expanded, period. Twitter flame wars don't cause major cultural shifts. If they did, the gaming industry would be full of women and minorities right now.

Also this.

 

[TaroYamada]

Hey guys, boogie here.

This video just came about because I had a fucking breaking point. After being involved in this for about 20 days and being pulled in every direction both by the internet and by my own internal conflict in all of this I kind of just lost my shit.

The point of the video was pretty simple. I think MOST people are good, I think MOST gamers are good, and I think that EVERYONE taking a bad rap for a handful of shitty people is wrong.

I obviously care about equal rights of all types. I attempt to champion it. I succeed rarely and fail most of the time, but my message on twitter and youtube is always this; You are equal to everyone and no one is better than you. be kind.

I'm so very frustrated right now after a LIFETIME of fighting for 'gamers' to be an ok thing to see it get pushed back very, very far.

I've read your criticisms here and I agree that this was probably a misfire. I knew I was going to regret turning on the camera and talking about it and after reading this thread, of course I do.

But please understand it comes from a good place. Two wrongs never make a right and smearing the name of gamers and reading things like "All gamers are worthless" and "All gamers are neckbeards" and "All gamers are misogynists" is fucking killing me inside. I snapped. I lost it. I poured that emotion out in a video and its helped me. I think I might sleep tonight.

Not my best work though and I'll take your criticisms to heart. thanks for watching the video.

Please don't apologize, I already enjoyed you but I have more respect for you now than just about anybody in this industry. Other than Mark from Classic Game Room but that's only because he's a fellow giant SEGA fan, so that's a bias.

 

[Majukun]

If they catch onto the 4chan element of the gamer side they'll probably just play it off as two online terrorist groups attacking each other.

And they would probably be right.an healthy dialogue on the matter will be possible only when we get rid of both extremist factions and we start to try to find common ground like adult male and female

 

[Myggen]

I'm not backing down, i stand by the video. But I'm saying its a misfire because it did not adequately communicate the point that I wanted to make to the gaffers and I really wish that it had. I'll blame my exhaustion over the issue and other personal issues I'm having.

all I wanted to say is that people who are not involved need to get involved if they value their hobby because we're about to re-enter the shit I went through in highschool. When this gets picked up by CNN and the like, and i believe it will at this point, we're fucked. Get ready to be pantsed by jocks for having a game on your fucking phone. Get ready to have to hide the fact that you play video games from people at the office.

If people speak up before that happens maybe they'll report that, too.

Twitter battles never really change anything, and it definitely won't have a big impact on how people who play games are percieved. The reason why it's become more "normal" in people's eyes to play games is because games have gone mainstream in a huge way. A flame war or whatever on Twitter and other social media will do fuck all to change that.

 

[KageZero]

Unless I'm missing something, boogie made a video basically asking us (gamers) to get the word out there that we are not bigots, sexist, etc. as perpetuated by media today. He created a Twitter hashtag which is now being used to paint gamers in a very negative light. He's worried in this thread that the video might go viral and get picked up by major news outlets for all the wrong reasons and paint further gamers in a negative light.

Am I missing anything?

weird... Why are gamers view as sexist, racist etc anyway? I don't follow the media too much but this again seems like a march "games are evil and responsible for everything bad happening in the world" when a mass murder happens and a gamer had committed it. Well i guess something similar had happen again then. It's always nice to promote discrimination in media i guess

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Ok can someone tell me what is going on here? It seems that i'm coming from another planet in this thread since i have no idea what is going on... Can someone sum up for me what is going on?

Yeah i'm a bit lost too, but i'm assuming its got something to do with a "stigma" of being a gamer. And probably some twitter war?

Its strange because I know the stigma is still there, but I feel like its actually gotten better over the years. Gaming is mainstream now. I know more gamers of all kinds now than non-gamers.

 

[Corpekata]

Unless I'm missing something, boogie made a video basically asking us (gamers) to get the word out there that we are not bigots, sexist, etc. as perpetuated by media today. He created a Twitter hashtag which is now being used to paint gamers in a very negative light. He's worried in this thread that the video might go viral and get picked up by major news outlets for all the wrong reasons and paint further gamers in a negative light.

Am I missing anything?

Well, your first sentence is right. He didn't make the hash tag, and I don't think he's worried about this video going viral. The movement he's responding to has already gone viral. He's worried that CNN or someone will look into the story and misrepresent gamers.

 

[TheForceWithin]

Hey Boogie, don't sweat it. I agree with what you are saying in your video. To treat others as you would have yourself be treated.

 

[boogie2988]

Just in case all of this does break before the weekend on mainstream media, and also breaks badly, I just wanted to leave you with this.

<3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5zGkqAWsWE

 

[Steel]

Unless I'm missing something, boogie made a video basically asking us (gamers) to get the word out there that we are not bigots, sexist, etc. as perpetuated by media today. He created a Twitter hashtag which is now being used to paint gamers in a very negative light. He's worried in this thread that the video might go viral and get picked up by major news outlets for all the wrong reasons and paint further gamers in a negative light.

Am I missing anything?

You're completely and utterly wrong, please edit your post. He commented on an ongoing shitfest(on both sides, for 20 days apparently), in which the only way to win is not to participate. The hashtag existed before the video. He's worried that this shitfest will paint gamers in a bad light to the general public if it hits public news outlets. I won't confess to knowing every detail of this internet abortion of an argument(And by this, I mean the entire situation), so I can't outline it for you.

 

[jimi_dini]

 

[Nocturno999]

Good video a message but I believe these issues are incredibly small, insignificant, irrelevant even to most gamers.

Exactly, all this shit storm is nothing more than forum drama.

 

[Dash Kappei]

I agree with him, the mainstream media will target us all with the same brush. This generalisation must stop, I'm utterly fed up with my friends suggesting cause I'm a gamer, I must be the stereotypical anti women, anti homosexual, gutting totting fps nut job. Well I'm not I'm an oldie guy with an open mind on everything and I rarely play fps.

Your friends think so bad of you yet they're still friends with you?
And they reached those conclusion because you happen to play videogames and not by knowing what you do and how you behave in your day to day life and when you hang up together?
Seems quite a stretch, but if true then you should get new friends

 

[scoobidoo112]

I just cannot fucking believe that someone like Boogie can make an honest, from the heart video like that, and people still pour in this thread shouting about straw-man arguments, accusations of having an agenda and generally being annoyed that he hasn't taken "the right side". Fuck me I am tired.

I seriously cannot take this discussion anymore. It is destroying communities as we speak and it seems like nothing can stop it. Rational discussion surrounding this topic is always ruined by hateful, angry people from both sides, everyone is lumped into one or two groups so they can be labeled "properly" and those on the outside, who might not be gamers, are now spouting hatred towards gamers on social media. I'm done, this is not going to work out in anyone's favor, and it only gets worse from here. Fuck it.

Seriously Boogie, thank you for being honest, brave and willing to stand up for what you love, whilst promoting intelligence, equality and kindness. I sincerely apologize that so many here are accusing you of bad intentions and I think anyone with a brain can tell that you mean nothing but good. Sadly, for many people on the internet right now, if you don't align yourself 100% on the side of feminists you're automatically wrong and often seen as a "bad person".

Nobody is going to win in this pointless, self-destructive and utterly-ineffective social justice "war". In the end everyone is going to be hurt, gamers (along with all the rational feminists, MRA's, etc.) are going to look bad in the eyes of the world unjustly and the games themselves are going to suffer too, as developers now have to constantly worry about being dragged into this mess if they ever make mistakes.

So I'm sorry you got dragged into this mess too Boogie, just know that I stand with you, not only as someone who stands for equality for everyone, but also as someone who wants nothing to do with either "side" of this "war".

 

[Bomber Bob]

lol!

Exactly, all this shit storm is nothing more than forum drama.

Yup pretty much.

And besides, who gives 2 shit about what people on the internet think about gamers?

 

[Cygnus]

A Twitter flame war, even a large one, is not going to change that. It's not even going to register on most people's radars. Yes, even if it gets reported on by CNN. It's just so unbelievably minor. The demographic of people who play games has vastly expanded, period. Twitter flame wars don't cause major cultural shifts. If they did, the gaming industry would be full of women and minorities right now.
"

What's the harm in trying?

 

[Mrdrboi]

Hey guys, boogie here.

This video just came about because I had a fucking breaking point. After being involved in this for about 20 days and being pulled in every direction both by the internet and by my own internal conflict in all of this I kind of just lost my shit.

The point of the video was pretty simple. I think MOST people are good, I think MOST gamers are good, and I think that EVERYONE taking a bad rap for a handful of shitty people is wrong.

I obviously care about equal rights of all types. I attempt to champion it. I succeed rarely and fail most of the time, but my message on twitter and youtube is always this; You are equal to everyone and no one is better than you. be kind.

I'm so very frustrated right now after a LIFETIME of fighting for 'gamers' to be an ok thing to see it get pushed back very, very far.

I've read your criticisms here and I agree that this was probably a misfire. I knew I was going to regret turning on the camera and talking about it and after reading this thread, of course I do.

But please understand it comes from a good place. Two wrongs never make a right and smearing the name of gamers and reading things like "All gamers are worthless" and "All gamers are neckbeards" and "All gamers are misogynists" is fucking killing me inside. I snapped. I lost it. I poured that emotion out in a video and its helped me. I think I might sleep tonight.

Not my best work though and I'll take your criticisms to heart. thanks for watching the video.

Hey Boogie love your videos man.

 

[fantomena]

My comment for the video:

Im a straight 19 year old man. Im a feminist ebcause i believe in equality between men and women in the society of the world. When I look at somebody I see a person. It does not matter to me wherever the person I look like is a man, woman, black ,white, green, orange, straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, christian, muslim, jew, big, thin, rich, poor, disabled, not disabled. Everyone in my eyes are equal, they are persons and human beings. But there is always some assholes out there in each group who make the entire group seems like asshole, and that is a part of generalizing.

 

[Kojaq]

Boogie you have summed up everything I want to say thanks for having the balls to say what I was too afraid to say

 

[Lashley]

#DescribeAGamerIn4Words Someone who plays games

 

[Cyrano]

(It's why I like that mega mole avatar person on twitter negatively describing gamers, to me it's the perfect image to represent what's going on here.)

Yeah.

boogie, I love ya man but this video is really misguided.

Food for thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id7hPJS05V4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN8pmhQwcnY

 

[Enosh]

Yup pretty much.

And besides, who gives 2 shit about what people on the internet think about gamers?

when those people make games or write about them I do

 

[thepotatoman]

I dunno. I think that is just saying "your shit stinks worse". Which is true, it does, but glass houses just turn into a bunch of broken buildings. Unless you can show the current tactic is working, I'm not sure how you can say "well I don't think it matters". You can believe with all your heart that it shouldn't matter because X is worse, regardless of the theoretical ratio of bigot to not bigot. But again, what is the reality of the situation telling you? Either the situation is un-winnable or you have to change tactics. Or I guess do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

And i think that takes me right back to my post about "not all _____". You're still bringing in absolutes in a sociological issue, just this time it's focusing on the worst rather than the best. There will always be a best and a worst example for both sides, but you're never going to get anywhere if you simply focus on those.

The best thing to do is to weigh the two sides, and take action on that. I think positions like Boogie's misjudge where that focus needs to be.

Ideally, there'd be a third option where we just condemn everyone and praise the virtues of love, peace, and order. But as appealing as that may be, it's never that easy. You can't just sweep every problem under the rug by claiming both sides suck for every issue.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Just stop giving the bigots and hate filled people attention and they will fade away. Nobody can change their minds and they should be ignored as a rule.

As for the games media that seems to hate their audience, also, ignoring it and not giving clicks OE attention will make it go away.

Focus on the positives guys. We do this hobby because its fun, right?

 

[Poudini]

I don't know why video games are turning into politics.

 

[mikelarry]

I don't know why video games are turning into politics.

i know right, here i was just trying to enjoy the countdown till Destiny and now all I see is gamergate this anita that on most site I visit.

 

[jaosobno]

Yeah.

boogie, I love ya man but this video is really misguided.

Food for thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id7hPJS05V4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN8pmhQwcnY

I think you are the one missing the point here. Nobody is arguing against healthy, rational feminism, the kind that fights for equality.

People are arguing against hate speech and negative labeling of a group of people based on their hobby. You should really watch Boogie's video again.

 

[boogie2988]

I think you are the one missing the point here. Nobody is arguing against healthy, rational feminism, the kind that fights for equality.

People are arguing against hate speech and negative labeling of a group of people based on their hobby. You should really watch Boogie's video again.

I have NO problem with the kind of feminism that means "Women are equal to men because both men and women are people and all people are equal. lets try to make it so we're all equal in the eyes of the law."

i don't even really have a big problem with whatever modern day feminism is because I don't honestly understand it, or what its goals are.

I plan to watch your videos and I hope to learn more but the point I'm making is this:

Sure PLENTY of people who support gamergate are misogynistic assholes who are watching the world burn and are laughing while it does. BUT I AM NOT ONE OF THEM JUST BECAUSE I PLAY VIDEO GAMES

If you think that just because I own every card in hearthstone I hate women you're as bad as any misogynist who is 'harassing' feminists.