AdmiralSnackbar
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That's bizarre, why did Dr. Mario or dark Pit (or Dr. Luigi) need to be separate characters at all then?
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XV: Kübler-Ross Edition
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That's bizarre, why did Dr. Mario or dark Pit (or Dr. Luigi) need to be separate characters at all then?
The Captain
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Not75Drops
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Wasn't there more to this leak or was that a different person?
Demon Lizardman
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Because Sakurai, that's why.
The Captain
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Padding out the roster with clones.
Probably to fill space on the 3DS character select screen.
Well yeah but there's still a chance for 2 certain alts I want lol.
Because those have gameplay differences, albeit minor.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I'm assuming Dr. Mario is like Melee Mario/Dr. Mario and Dark Pit is like Brawl Pit.
If that's not what happens then yeah, it's sort of pointless given Alph and the probable Koopaling alts we're getting for Bowser Jr. Lucina made sense since she was a highly requested character, but the other two probably weren't nearly as much.
Yeah I don't really get it. Alts and colors are being handled kind of weird in this game. Some characters have TONS of effort put into them but others have very little. It's not consistent. Did some characters have a programmer who went to bat for them (ala Samus and "female designer X")? I wonder if they intend to fix/even this out with DLC? On an aside, I still think its a bit lame Brittnay and Charlie got snubbed for alts.
I don't think my statement was particularly objectionable. Given my understanding of dash dancing and looking at actual videos of it it does look awkward as all heck - moreso than footsies in most other fighting games. Aesthetically its nonsense. I understand the purpose but it doesn't look natural. From a design standpoint, the developers had two viable options each with their own costs and benefits. They just went with option B over A for better or worse.
You could ask the same about lucina. She was very likely an alph clone at some point in dev, would be my guess. Then, they either cut people and needed slots filled, or felt like adding her - so they changed 1-2 things about her and made her a clone.
Thanks, from that leak now we can almost be sure that DHD fights with ducks on his back that assist him on attacks
Sakurai said he would give a character a different slot if it had the slightest change of gameplay, like Lucina. So those 2 play differently in some ways.
Because they will have something different about them, while Alph and Olimar are exactly the same in every aspect. The same thing was going to happen to Lucina until her height and sword functionality was changed. While we use "clones" as a term for similar fighters, no clone from Melee onward is an exact 1:1 copy in terms of abilities.
Sigismundo
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Majukun
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because if a character plays even a little differently,it's considered a character on his own and not a skin
A Link to the Past
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(((I can't tell you how excited I was
I was struggling to choose between Hoodie and Wire Frame
This was going to be the perfect solution
*sob sob*
Just some vague stuff like "This game has tons of awesome fanservice" and "most enjoyable game in the series"...
A Link to the Past
Banned
Also, Sakurai, you really should have put a little more effort into the clone department. It's really only a formality, but it would have been a big deal if Alph was his own slot, instead of a unique clone as part of Olimar.
Also, what are the odds that every single Koopaling + Bowser Jr. will have a second costume?
Also, what are the odds that every single Koopaling + Bowser Jr. will have a second costume?
The Sakurai Bias (tm). It's ironic because Link has had many costume changes throughout his history (MM transformations, the Zora tunic and Magic armor from Twilight Princess, Cowboy Link from TP, pre-green tunic Link from SS etc.) yet he is given ugly stuff like a yellow tunic. Though Sakurai has put in Dark Link since Melee, which was one of the more striking and unique color swaps when compared to everyone else. I want to see how FD Link looks like in this game though.
Also I'm curious at why we have no Sheik info. It feels like this character has been completely ignored by everyone. She's only appeared in like four PotDs and we don't know anything about her alt costumes.
Since Little Mac has 16 alts, I can't see why not.
The Bowser Jr. rumor specifically said no alternate colors, just koopalings, but that's more than enough for me...
I think I just have trouble separating the visuals from the gameplay they're connected to. When I see it I see happiness. It's never looked strange to me or anything. I think it's just that seeing it immediately makes me think of gameplay; more specifically, makes me empathize with the people playing.
(It's just opinions though, not trying to flame you or whatever. Sorry if I came off as overly dissenting.)
The Captain
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Cowboy Link?! When did that happen?
Also, nobody cares about Sheik's colors because she only has one to be based off of.
A Link to the Past
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Is Sakurai bias really truly leaking this deep? I mean, let's look at the new alt costumes/palette swaps.
Mario
Bowser Jr.
Captain Olimar
Wario (had one since Brawl, ultra bias?)
Meta Knight
Peach (had the original "different character" alt)
Pikachu (had the original "alternate costumes")
Link
Robin
Little Mac
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Mii Fighters
We don't even know that Pit received anything in the way of alt costumes
Mario
Bowser Jr.
Captain Olimar
Wario (had one since Brawl, ultra bias?)
Meta Knight
Peach (had the original "different character" alt)
Pikachu (had the original "alternate costumes")
Link
Robin
Little Mac
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Mii Fighters
We don't even know that Pit received anything in the way of alt costumes
Not75Drops
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No I found it. It says characters like Mewtwo and Dixie are in the game but I'm not sure if it's from the same source.
http://i.imgur.com/g4eo9lj.jpg
EDIT: Seems like it is from someone else.
powerdrain
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Me right now at all these alternate costume claims:
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
The Mewtwo and Dixie thing are from someone trying to ride with the leak.
It is a different source.
Me right now at all these alternate costume claims:
Gonna have to wait a bit longer for that due to the strict no pictures/videos rule...tho we ghave seen purple charizard.
Not75Drops
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Red Arremer
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While I cringed for you, I know you're going to do a stellar job, so I'm looking forward to the pixel art, regardless!
Sakurai.
SatoAilDarko
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Real happy about the name change. It would have been weird if he was still called Olimar. Still, even if he's a direct clone I would rather have him as a selectable character. Movesets aren't as important to me as who the actual characters are. Maybe the layout of the character selection screen may have been a factor in which clones were given different attributes and which remained complete clones.
Hopefully Fierce Deity Link doesn't look bad. It does highlight how weird it is that Little Mac has such diverse alternates when he's pretty low in character importance compared to a good portion of the cast.
Neoriceisgood
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I'm mostly hoping for some clear images of costumes right now so I can get started.
A Link to the Past
Banned
If September 13 rolls along and we see the "you've unlocked the whole roster!" special message/challenge (however it's done here), I'll humbly call the roster finished.
Until then, Chorus Kids.
Until then, Chorus Kids.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Unless they're talking about series new to Smash like Punch-Out, outside of Kid Icarus I can't think of anything else that's normally only had one rep and not had a lot of anything else getting a bigger boost than it normally does. If anything, Star Fox/Metroid/DK have gotten smaller.
Does Animal Crossing count? It was sort of in Brawl I guess.
You've set yourself up for an enormous task. I know palette swaps are a bit easier, but a lot of these seem to be way more than that.
When all is said and done, you're looking at like 400+ sprites, 1/4 of which will require a bit of work.
I'm not doing that until atleast after the WiiU version releases.
I'm still hoping for time locked characters on the 3DS that are WiiU starter characters or something.
I'll never call the roster finished without Ice Climbers anyway, that just screams unfinished to me.
Well, you better come to terms with it sooner or later.
At the very least, I expect the clown car to change colors because of team colors being practically a necessity for every Smash Bros. character.
Also, don't know if this was posted yet but someone else is doing an AMA on Reddit about the demo and they confirmed that BONUSES ARE BACK FOR MULTIPLAYER!!
Linky
A Link to the Past
Banned
I'm just calling this my last chip
I used them all up on leaks
This last chip is for Chorus Kids
I used them all up on leaks
This last chip is for Chorus Kids
MaverickHunterAsh
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I can't believe anyone here actually uses "Sakurai bias" as an excuse for anything like it's an actual thing that exists and influences the game in any meaningful way. I'm sure it's tongue-in-cheek for some of you, but I'm starting to think a few of you actually believe Sakurai is out to secretly push his own characters while ruining or undermining the rest of Nintendo's characters in Smash. Wow.
Assuming all we've heard from the demo is true, "Sakurai bias" totally explains why Link has a Fierce Deity alt and why Olimar has four Alph alts. And why Bowser Jr. has the Koopalings as alts (if he does). And why Zero Suit Samus came away from E3 as one of the most OP characters. And why Meta Knight has gotten such a huge nerf. And why etc., etc.
(If "Sakurai bias" is a huge joke that no one actually believes and I missed the Internet joke entirely, then disregard the above and I apologize.)
Assuming all we've heard from the demo is true, "Sakurai bias" totally explains why Link has a Fierce Deity alt and why Olimar has four Alph alts. And why Bowser Jr. has the Koopalings as alts (if he does). And why Zero Suit Samus came away from E3 as one of the most OP characters. And why Meta Knight has gotten such a huge nerf. And why etc., etc.
(If "Sakurai bias" is a huge joke that no one actually believes and I missed the Internet joke entirely, then disregard the above and I apologize.)
I'm guessing Sheik probably does not have an Impa alt considering that would be pretty big news. I'm still interested to see what her other two colors would be since she was formerly based on Zelda's colors and now she doesn't have that restriction.
I can't find the original source, but I'm pretty sure the 16 alt thing came from Zipzo.
Well Zipzo has proven he was there and is posting a lot of information. I would only trust his info. 4chan muddied up things earlier.Me right now at all these alternate costume claims:
I'm going in with the mindset that everyone shown is the final roster. But hopefully I am surprised.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I am going to build a house out of the bricks I shit if this game does not have DLC that extends the roster size.
GregLombardi
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So what has Zipzo said about the character count? Because I'm not seeing anything in his comments about that. Is he the one that did the leak or something? I'm very confused.