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So I've been reading about this 72 virgin thing, and I'm excited

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So I was reading about the 72 virgin promise to get a better understanding of what it entails. After reading some wikis, articles, and some of the most enlightening discourse this side of the internet (Yahoo Answers), I am extremely confused about the validity, purpose, and details of these 72 virgins Muslims get in heaven.

I found a conveniently titled website called Just Ask Islam that has a page on the subject:

What does Islam say about virgin women in heaven waiting for the men? Do the women have anything as such in paradise?

This is a Hadith of the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him). Actually it’s in Quran talking about this. In paradise there are many things that you cannot describe, you can’t understand. Allah mentioned in Quran many things about the Paradise, it doesn’t compare with this, and those women there don’t compare with women here. Women there, Allah tells you about them, do not have monthly cycles, they do not eliminate (they do not go to the bathroom). This is not in Paradise, so they are not compared. So, get this mentality straight, get your head straight - don’t compare that to this it’s much better.

The food there is not like the food here, the digestive system there is not like the one here. What you have there is very real and it never breaks, doesn’t go bad, you don’t go to the doctor.

And by the way, men you are going to love this. In the Jannah, two things: there’s no “honey do” list (some of the ladies laughing; they know what I’m talking about). You know what that is? When you get home “Honey would you do this and do that?” that’s “honey do.” So, there’s no “honey do” list and there’s no tool box because you don’t have to fix anything, everything is perfect. So, don’t confuse virgin girls in the paradise with the dancing girls here in a bar somewhere. This is totally different, this is not prostitution.

Please! Stop reading these goofy books. It’s totally different, you don’t understand it, but Allah gives it to you.

The women have something even better. Their husband becomes the guy that they wanted him to be here. Can you imagine that?

Never have I seen a question so unanswered. So I just went straight to good ol' Wikipedia, typed in "72 virgins" and got a page about Houri. These are kind of like angels, I think. There's a specific section about the 72 virgins...

The idea of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Abu `Isa Muhammad ibn `Isa at-Tirmidhi in his Jami` at-Tirmidhi[56] and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir ibn Kathir of sura 55[57] it is stated:

It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.[58]

However, regarding the above statement Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf has said: "The narration, which claims that everyone would have seventy-two wives has a weak chain of narrators."[40] There is also a theory that the promise of 72 virgins is a mistranslation from "72 angels".[59]

In the same collection of hadiths, however, the following is judged strong (hasan sahih):

That the Messenger of Allah said: "There are six things with Allah for the martyr. He is forgiven with the first flow of blood (he suffers), he is shown his place in Paradise, he is protected from punishment in the grave, secured from the greatest terror, the crown of dignity is placed upon his head - and its gems are better than the world and what is in it - he is married to seventy two wives among Al-Huril-'Ayn of Paradise, and he may intercede for seventy of his close relatives."

So there is some misconception about whether these uh, girl angels are virgins or servants or whatever. This still didn't answer my question.

THEN I found an Islam wiki that has a whole page dedicated to this. Some findings:

In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of Jannah (Paradise). This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed[1] to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts.[2][3] Conversly, women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied with him".
This seems to confirm the perception that you get 72 virgin wives. Don't worry girls, you will get a husband you will be "satisfied" with, and isn't satisfaction the feature women look for in men?

So what's the deal with these 72 virgins? Why are they so awesome? Read on...

Physical Attributes:

Wide and beautiful/lovely eyes [15][16][17]
Like pearls [18]
Hairless except the eye brows and the head [19]
Beautiful [13]
White skinned [22]
60 cubits [27.5 meters] tall [23][22]
7 cubits [3.2 meters] in width [22]
Transparent to the marrow of their bones [21][13]
Eternally young [19]
Companions of equal age
Holy shit so these girls are like giants? Are you a giant? Also they have invisible skin? That's freaky.

Sexual Attributes:

Untouched / with hymen unbroken by sexual intercourse [25][26]
Virgins [27]
Voluptuous/full-breasted [20]
With large, round breasts which are not inclined to hang [21][3]
Appetizing vaginas [11]
I've heard vaginas described in many ways, but never "appetizing."

Personality Attributes:

Chaste [15]
Restraining their glances [15][25]
Modest gaze [28]

Other Attributes:

Splendid [29]
Pure [13]
Non-menstruating / non-urinating/ non-defecating and childfree [21][30]
Never dissatisfied [30]
Will sing praise [7]
Why are they restraining their glances? Are they shy? Why? I still don't get this.

However, there is still some conflicting opinions about the validity of getting 72 virgins in the afterlife according to the article.

Here are some selected quotations:

Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' "
Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39
Oh my. That seems a bit inconvenient though.

Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.
Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351
Again with the eternal erection.

Anas said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “The servant in Paradise shall be married with seventy wives.” Someone said, “Messenger of Allah, can he bear it?” He said: “He will be given strength for a hundred.” From Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah be well-pleased with him, when an incredulous Jew or Christian asked the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, “Are you claiming that a man will eat and drink in Paradise??” He replied: “Yes, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, and each of them will be given the strength of a hundred men in his eating, drinking, coitus, and pleasure.”
Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli in the Du`afa’, and Musnad of Abu Bakr al-Bazzar
Oh my 2.0

I still have a lot of questions, so please educate me. I'm a bit confused on how this concept, its validity, and its practice.

Do all Muslim men get 72 virgin wives in heaven?
Are they all houri?
Are the houri giant transparent angels or did I misread that?
Why are the girls shy and chaste, yet are also capable of otherworldly sex?
What exactly do these wives do? Do you have normal relationships like with your earth wife?
What happens to your earth wife?

Discuss.
 
"Women there, Allah tells you about them, do not have monthly cycles, they do not eliminate (they do not go to the bathroom)"

We'll have this problem fixed by 2025 apparently.
 
72 virgins huh? So you've been in the MLP thread.

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Nothing says "religion" like killing people and having your own personal harem in death.

It's some backwards ass logic crafted by some ancient jerk to get men ride into battle for him and people fell for it. The idea stuck after that.
 
I wonder if it's actually hell and the Virgins are waiting on them like this

Nuns-with-Guns1.jpg


Someone should make a movie, about a secret society of Ghost Nuns.
 
The 72 Virgins brought through the American lexicon of speaking are given the sexually treatment
Most Islamic males have been taught to be repressive with their sexual conduct
So putting the 2 together works well, a repressive male with no way to release or feel sexually gets to go to heaven and fuck 72 virgin bitches

All I know is, these 72 are suppose to be some clean variant souls, that take care of you
They are considered virgin, not for their sexual organs, they are beings of pure

There's too much shit that gets twisted and switched around

If anything I'll be in Hell, cause I renounced Islam as a religion, just need SPF 1000
So I'll have 72 Deviants!
 
Wide and beautiful/lovely eyes
Like pearls
Hairless except the eye brows and the head
Beautiful
White skinned
Eternally young
Untouched / with hymen unbroken by sexual intercourse
Virgins
Voluptuous/full-breasted
With large, round breasts which are not inclined to hang
Appetizing vaginas
Splendid
Pure
Non-menstruating / non-urinating/ non-defecating and childfree
Never dissatisfied
Will sing praise

This Is Just Like One Of My Japanese Animes!
 
This is what you're looking for

“Truly the martyr is given by Allah Almighty six things: (i) forgiveness of sins from the first drop of his blood to be shed; (ii) protection from the torment of the grave; (iii) safety from the Greatest Fear [i.e. the Day of Judgment]; (iv) receiving the crown of veneration, a single sapphire of which is worth more than the whole world and its contents; (v) marriage to seventy-two of the wide-eyed virgins; (vi) intercession on behalf of seventy of his relatives.”
 
I don't mean to disparage all beliefs, as I genuinely hope that most Islam believers don't think this is fact (similar to how most Christians don't actually believe that everything in the bible is literal).... BUT

This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard, and the mere suggestion that anyone would take it seriously is laughable. If anyone actually believes this, they are idiots.
 
Mohammed himself had 9 wives in addition to concubines .

It's obvious how much he likes female. So not a surprise a temptation for exactly that is used for afterlife .

Unfortunately he didn't use that love for women equality.

Only. Sex please
 
I don't mean to disparage all beliefs, as I genuinely hope that most Islam believers don't think this is fact (similar to how most Christians don't actually believe that everything in the bible is literal).... BUT

This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard, and the mere suggestion that anyone would take it seriously is laughable. If anyone actually believes this, they are idiots.

Man you are going to be majorly disappointed
 
Sounds perfect for insecure men who can't deal with actual women in a free and emancipated world..

Like in many cases, i'm guessing it's the interpretation of the original text so it would fit the men in power a bit better.
 
Mohammed himself had 9 wives in addition to concubines .
He was also a pedophile. Married Aisha at 6 and fucked her when she was 9.
Sahih al-Bukhari 3896—Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Al-Madina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he wrote the marriage (wedding) contract with Aishah when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5158—Narrated Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Muslim 3310—Aisha reported: Allah’s Apostle married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim 3311—Aisha reported that Allah’s Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

Sunan Abu Dawud 2116—Aishah said: The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old. (The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years.) He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.
 
This Is Just Like One Of My Japanese Animes!
I was gonna say this is all waifu material. Girls don't poop in heaven!

Where do all these virgins come from? Are they soulless beings created in bulk to service real people when they pass on? Are there just billions of virgins that died and are waiting to be in a harem? Can you you really have or lose virginity if you were never alive and exist in a fantasy realm?
 
Yeah always found this hilarious and sad.

Pretty obvious who came up this stuff and for whose benefit first and foremost.
 
Yeah always found this hilarious and sad.

Pretty obvious who came up this stuff and for whose benefit first and foremost.

Yes. These reads like callous male fantasy number 1. What is one to think about women in this world, with their awful ovulating and defecating habits

Even erectile dis function is addressed. Cuz what use is 72 Virgins if you need to come to this world for Viagra
 
So they are not actual people but rather spiritual beings in human female form?

right. and apparently giant women with the bodies of 18 year olds, with white skin and vaginas that taste like cherry gummi bears...good lord.

You just know someone was sitting in the desert somewhere with a huge boner and a scribble pad centuries ago.
 
right. and apparently giant women with the bodies of 18 year olds, with white skin and vaginas that taste like cherry gummi bears...good lord.

You just know someone was sitting in the desert somewhere with a huge boner and a scribble pad centuries ago.

i was all in until the gummy bear part, things taste like shit
 
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