The Dear Leader
Banned
Lol, the PC struggle is real.
Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
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Lol, the PC struggle is real.
You forgot manually updating your GPU drivers by editing the INI files in the install folder with your own custom written GPU bios tweaks that took you all week. And only because your math co-processor was malfunctioning and you had to re-solder it to the board.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Unrelated huh?
It´s very related, and factual that there is a difference between PC and console.
Coffee Dog
Banned
People have varying tastes, and varying needs. The PC satisfies enthusiast needs in a way console does not, offering customization over strict convenience.
Not everyone is an enthusiast.
I am left unsatisfied by consoles, but that doesn't mean everyone is. People just need to be comfortable in admitting that they are quite happy with consoles and dont ask for anything more instead of farcical comfy couch and sharp graphics arguments.
Not everyone is an enthusiast.
I am left unsatisfied by consoles, but that doesn't mean everyone is. People just need to be comfortable in admitting that they are quite happy with consoles and dont ask for anything more instead of farcical comfy couch and sharp graphics arguments.
Mine:
1) Press the power button.
2) Wait till the desktop appears (I don't need to log in)
3) Click on Steam (I choose not to make Steam open up automtic)
4) Click on Library (you can choose to have the Library view as default, I don't)
5) Click on "Play" whatever game.
Woala.
So its a hassle to reboot your PC if a game freezes, but on console, its not a hassle? :/
And problems with save files happen a lot on console as well. That is not any PC-exclusive issue.
You must have gotten lucky only having your game crash a few times over the entire generation, though. I've certainly had quite a few problems on the 360 and even a couple with my PS3 in the 9 months I've owned it.
JudgmentJay
Member
I can only assume that when people say PC gaming is a hassle, what they really mean is that they lack the basic technical know-how on how to operate and game on a computer. Because there is no hassle. Unless you consider spending 3 minutes to update your drivers once every few months a hassle.
Hmm I did not say 15 seconds. Also those patches just as frequent on the PC correct? Also would not be patches as big as several gigs.
So it's a better solution for me to just buy the disc of whatever game I want to play and compromise on downloading patches rather than the entire game. Where I live, there is no way of buying original physical PC discs. 99% of physical discs for the PC are pirated.
Sanctuary
Member
Not sure what games you are playing, but that card does not handle even 1080p/60fps for most games that came out even six months after its arrival. I own the card too, and it was probably the best card for the cost I've ever purchased (I never owned a 9800 Pro), but it's not that good now.
Anyway, too many of my posts are biased towards what I want out of a gaming PC, not "how cheap can I make a PC that is technically, but not much better than a current console". I'm fine with just 1080p/60fps, but I built mine to go much higher than that. I don't notice a huge leap in image quality going from 900p to 1080p sitting five feet away from my television. The main difference is FPS, but even then it's not worth spending money on a gaming PC if all I'm getting is a consistently higher framerate without a drastic difference in IQ. And for that, it is going to cost money.
CyberPunked
Member
Please go into depth on what exactly is a hassle.
Coffee Dog
Banned
No hassle, no google search, no way to fix the broken game because you're playing on console.
Sounds great.
Mineshaft_Gap
4077th
Initial cost of building is a non-issue of you look at how inexpensive the games are.
I have 40~ games in my steam Library. I purchased all of them for about the price I would have paid for 4-5 full priced console games.
I have 40~ games in my steam Library. I purchased all of them for about the price I would have paid for 4-5 full priced console games.
Atraveller
Banned
Voilà?
While I have a gaming PC, what I need is a console.
I'm a freelancer and work from home. To have the PC hooked up to my TV, I need to have it on the living room. So basically my office is on the living room, which sucks in general for many different reasons.
Once I get a PS4 I will move my PC to a proper office room in my apartment and will probably stop playing on the PC since I like playing on a couch with a big screen.
I'm a freelancer and work from home. To have the PC hooked up to my TV, I need to have it on the living room. So basically my office is on the living room, which sucks in general for many different reasons.
Once I get a PS4 I will move my PC to a proper office room in my apartment and will probably stop playing on the PC since I like playing on a couch with a big screen.
Here too. There are normally about 5/80 people on my Xbox firendslist logged in. 2 is playing Xbone, 1 mgiht be on the dashboard and the other 3 are playing randomgames.
PS friends list have much mroe variety, but a lot of my friends did go from PS3/X60 to PS4 AND PC.
Actually, in my "friiends circle" alomst everyone are PC + PS4 only people.
No. Woala. Im a hipster.
I think some things that frequent PC gamers are accustomed to or quickly get around may seem like a huge hassle to someone else.
As a contrary example, I do own a PS3, but I use it infrequently. The last 4 times I've turned it on (this is over the course of about 4 months), I've used it for Netflix, but the PS3 firmware needed to be updated before I could open the Netflix app. That's really annoying to me, because all I'm trying to do is open a simple app and it keeps forcing me to update every time.
Of course, if I used the PS3 more frequently or changed the PS3's system settings, this wouldn't be a problem. I'd update more often and it wouldn't feel like I have to update every time I turn the machine on. But that's the point; things which are a hassle to me because I don't tinker with my PS3 and don't use it often are not a problem at all to a frequent PS3 user. The same can be said of problems which frequent PC users don't notice but infrequent ones do.
As a contrary example, I do own a PS3, but I use it infrequently. The last 4 times I've turned it on (this is over the course of about 4 months), I've used it for Netflix, but the PS3 firmware needed to be updated before I could open the Netflix app. That's really annoying to me, because all I'm trying to do is open a simple app and it keeps forcing me to update every time.
Of course, if I used the PS3 more frequently or changed the PS3's system settings, this wouldn't be a problem. I'd update more often and it wouldn't feel like I have to update every time I turn the machine on. But that's the point; things which are a hassle to me because I don't tinker with my PS3 and don't use it often are not a problem at all to a frequent PS3 user. The same can be said of problems which frequent PC users don't notice but infrequent ones do.
Have you tried in-home streaming? Using that you could have your PC in your office room while still playing PC games in living room.
He meant viola.
The viola is a bowed string instrument. It is slightly larger than a violin in size and has a deeper sound. Since the 18th century it has been the middle voice of the violin family, between the violin (which is tuned a perfect fifth above it) and the cello (which is tuned an octave below it). Music that is written for the viola differs from that of most other instruments, in that it primarily uses the alto clef, which is otherwise rarely used. Viola music employs the treble clef when there are substantial sections of music written in a higher register.
Hopefully that helps.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Only PC gamers are enthusiasts now?
Inferno313
Banned
Wooosh.
I don't think that's what the post you quoted states at all.
Devilgunman
Member
That was my personal experience. Many problems that happens on my PC didn't required a simple reboot. I don't have many problems on console (and too bad if many people do) so I think its more stable machine. I don't really care if my problem on PC is exclusive. I'm not here to convince others to think console is better. I just want to share my experiences and opinions.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
As mentioned by others, get a raspberry pi and limelight it for a cheap comfy couch + tv solution to high end pc gaming without having to have your Pc connected directly to the TV.
All I'm saying is that it seems that many think that not owning a gaming PC is unjustifiable when it might actually be:
I have no money
I prefer console games
I like the OS better
Additionally, is there truly a gaming PC that costs ~$500 including Windows + one game + keyboard/mouse thus matching a PS4 + a game and 1 year of plus? This is an honest question. And if I'm again a nice strawman then I can say I'm just ignorant about the topic. No need to be rude.
*Wololo
Atraveller
Banned
Not very realistic.
Star Falcon
Member
Having a desktop PC at home just takes up too much space which i don't need these days.
Desk + Monitors + Chair + Other bits of tat = a lot of space which i don't need to use when i have a tablet to do what i need.
I don't game hardcore enough anymore to want a dedicated space for gaming.
Desk + Monitors + Chair + Other bits of tat = a lot of space which i don't need to use when i have a tablet to do what i need.
I don't game hardcore enough anymore to want a dedicated space for gaming.
It really depends on your definition here. Do you feel that iOS gamers can be enthusiasts? If your answer is yes, then so can console gamers. But if your answer is "No. iOS has lower technical specs and sacrifices flexibility for convenience, which are things enthusiasts don't do," then by the same definition console gamers aren't enthusiasts either.
I think all three can be enthusiasts, personally. I do think it's fair to say that a concern for convenience and simplicity would generally be considered a "casual" preference, and it's the most frequent reason given for preferring consoles to PC in this thread.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Seems to come off that way, but I apologize if I'm wrong.
Weird since I have my PC hooked up to my monitor, but also 2 tvs in 2 separate rooms which aren't even close to my PC. Not sure why everyone seems to think to use your PC on your tv it needs to be right next to and in the same room as your tv when that isn't the case at all.
Nobody is saying that.
We're just trying to get the record straight about the truth of PC gaming so that people can make a more honest consideration of it instead of being frightened off by lies, ignorance and exaggerations.
Perfect response. Put much better than what I was going to respond with
Not to mention there is always the option of doing HTPC cases, many of which can accept gaming level hardware.
Stallion Dan
Member
Really? What does a console being less than a year old have to do with how many games it has?
Fine, lets compare PC to PS3 and 360. Oh, PC just got shat on.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Not necessarily, but someone who uses a Canon T3i or above to take photos comes as more of a hobbyist at first glance than the one who takes photos with her phone (because the entry point is so mainstream, like with consoles). It is only after looking more deeply than one would see how big is the instagram collection on the second person and how seriously she takes it.
Even that doesn't happen anymore. It's all automated. I havent' had to manually update ANYTHING on my PC in YEARS. Not so for the latest update to my Xbone.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
iOS gamers can absolutely be enthusiasts. Your love and interest for the hobby doesn't diminish because of your chosen platform.
Denton
Member
I carefully assume this is a joke post, wouldn't want to get burned twice in one thread.
That actually pushes me away from console gaming quite a lot since the import taxes get even more ridiculous. And then you get nonsense like Sony charging $120 for a digital copy of NBA 2k15 just to match the "retail" price. Add on top of that the ridiculous local price-point of $1000 USD for the PS4 and it's very hard to see why I should bother at all. Sucking up the 50% taxes on PC hardware and buying from actually fairly priced digital stores (Nuuvem, some Steam games, even Origin redirects me to the Mexican prices now) on PC is the much better investment for me.
I'm not aware of how these kind of taxes play out for differentiating PC hardware and gaming consoles on other countries tho, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the gaming landscape was shaped by them rather than the actual pros and cons of each platform.
If you still want to answer then I'd recommend you read again what you and I said. Never did I say PC was the ultimate local co-op platform. You on the other hand stated " it [PC] sucks for local co-op.". I just want to hear your reasoning behind that.
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
I actually have yet to see a PC gamer use that term unironically on GAF. Funny how that works.
Everyone has their reasons for doing things, and we're kind of set in our ways to certain extents. The way I see it, I don't give a flying fuck if a good chunk of the reasons against things in this thread are bullshit (oh, and they are), I probably couldn't convince you, and you probably didn't really want to be convinced.
Chairmanchuck
Member
I am speaking in RMB, but the German prices are similar. Maybe 50 more.
Alcoholikaust
Member
user error is always a struggle.
this is also my problem with PC gaming the last few months (something always goes wrong)
time for an upgrade
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
No, it didn't.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Nope, still wrong.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
I'm very confused.
I like my PC better than consoles, and I apologize for budding in. Is this not exactly what you said though?
BrokenSymmetry
Member
I work all day on my PC, and the simple fact of turning on my game console, with its completely different way of interaction, signals my brain that now I'm doing something completely different.
Chairmanchuck
Member
Prepare for "Indies are not real games!"