Why haven't you bought a PC yet?

There's been a thread about this a while ago:) It includes everything you are about to say and even dignifies all the goalpost moving you are about to do.
So go read it, having that thread play out for the umpteenth time is redundant.
The total cost was 440 dollars
550 buys you something considerably much better
Have fun reading that thread

A 440 dollars PC that can play all game releases for the next five years :0 okay...
 
"Wires" can be had cheap from monoprice. Keyboard and mice can be customized to one's preference, and utilized across multiple generations.

There are free to play games. There are games that are given away to promote this or that, it's pretty frequent actually.

There are games that can be had for pennies. Humble Bundle currently has Gunpoint, Hammerwatch, and Steamworld Dig for $1.

New releases are usually $50, and sometimes with an additional 10-15% discount. And if you happen to know any friendly Russians, well...

A 440 dollars PC that can play all game releases for the next five years :0 okay...

That may very well already be possible, or nearing it. I'm sure if you google, there will be a litany of guides. This isn't like previous gens, where PC gaming hardware was often behind that of consoles. If your standards are 720-1080p at 30fps on most occasion, you're in a for treat.
 
No offense man, but it still kind of is if someone asks you to name PC JRPGs and all people can rank off are 25 year old games we played when we were kids. And more to the point, why would anyone in their right mind buy a gaming rig to play Final Fantasy 7?

No one would, that's ridiculous. But if you're buying any platform for one game then you're making a terrible mistake. You buy a PC for the 10,000 games you can choose from. It may not have the specific games you like but you can't argue that it has by far the largest variety and sheer quantity of games out of any console ever made.
 
It seems like every PC thread aimed at console gamers devolves into nonsense. People have their opinions sure, but it should not be too hard to understand each other on these sorts of issues.

There are plenty of valid reasons for a console owner to not own a PC, there are plenty of valid reasons for a PC owner to not care about owning a console. There are tons of reasons for both to not care about mobile games for that matter. It doesn't have to devolve into a fight every time
 
See, this is what I don't buy. I'm not arguing with your other justifications. If you've got enough on your plate as it is on consoles, whatever, that's cool.

But if you enjoy 25-30 franchises on console, I don't think I'm going out on a limb by assuming that they're not all the exact same type of game. You'd have to have insanely particular tastes in games to not find plenty of games you'd enjoy on PC, especially for somebody who says they're not interested in nice graphics, since PC has all sorts of great games without AAA production values. There is no platform that has a larger or more diverse selection of games.

Play what you want to play, that's fine, and I'm not suggesting you should get a PC or anything, but its very hard to shake the feeling that you're not still kind of going out of your way to write off PC games/gaming with unnecessary 'justifications' like this.

I can see what he's saying in that there are some very distinct experiences both on consoles and PC.

I have somewhere around 70 Steam games. While I do like a good chunk of them, the only 2 I love are Half Minute Hero (a port) and Ys: Oath in Felghana (also a port). Outside of Steam, the only PC game I love is a visual novel (though this would most definitely change if more got translated).

Meanwhile on console/handhelds, I have absolutely no problem finding stuff to love if I know where to look. My recent obsession, Danganronpa 2, is unlikely to make it to PC as the company doesn't seem to have made any PC games. It's the same with a lot of other developers that make really distinct stuff. Would I be opposed to those games coming to PC? Absolutely not and I'd probably buy them all over again and might even be happy thanks to all the sales and other benefits of PC gaming. Still, as it stands, most of what I want to play does not exist on PC.
 
I don't care they much about having the best graphics.

I don't care for most PC exclusive games/genres. No interest in MOBAs, RTS, sim games MMORPGS etc.

I prefer ging in my couch, on te big screen with a controller. Yes, PCs can do that, but given the above consoles are a cheaper and more convenient way to fit my needs.

Plus I'm now down to just a PS4 and Vita (mostly for remote play) as I just don't have time for multiple platforms.
 
Okay, what PC games have you played at length (beaten, let's say, as a quantifiable value)? How much PC gaming have you done? Can you cite which specific logical fallacy I'm falling prey to?

I'm not going to get into a dick measuring contest. Starcraft and Half Life are among my favorite games of all time and I played those on PC. I've also played Civ, Rome Total War, Sim City, etc etc. You keep strawmanning your posts because you keep assuming I've never played any of these games when I most certainly did. I even played Doom when it came out on my friend's PC after school all the time. But, currently, I just don't see the value in a PC because it doesn't have most of my favorite games.

Most of the Japanese games I play are completely unavailable on PC. I can play every Kingdom Hearts game now (well, officially starting in December, but you get my point) on my PS3 in HD, but not on PC. I can play EVERY Metal Gear Solid game on my PS3, but I can only play I, II, and V on PC (which is a horrible experience for anyone since they'd be missing large chunks of the story). I can go on and on. I'd rather miss out on PC exclusive titles than miss out on many of those games.
 
I'm not going to get into a dick measuring contest. Starcraft and Half Life are among my favorite games of all time and I played those on PC. I've also played Civ, Rome Total War, Sim City, etc etc. You keep strawmanning your posts because you keep assuming....
I don't think you know what "strawmanning" is even supposed to mean, given the use you are repeatedly making of it.

It's pretty simple dude. I like Zelda. So why would I play an 8th rate copycat Zelda game on PC when I could just get a Nintendo console and play Zelda on it? I like Persona - so why would I get a platform that DOESN'T have Persona?
This is especially funny because to this date there is ONE Zelda game that isn't playable on PC, and that's the 3DS one.
Also, you can play all the Persona games too.
Unless we are suddenly referring *specifically* to the VIta port and the fighting game spin-off.

I don't care what it is, if the games I want aren't on a specific platform, I'm not getting that platform. Not a very complicated issue. Maybe if ever, those games ALL get released on PC, eventually I'll make the shift
You know what? People trying to reason with you are probably too polite to state it openly, but I'm going to guess that if all those games were available on PC, you would just pick new favorite games.
 
So at this point, a reasonable reply would be, "Well, I know I'll like the chicken." Cant really argue with that.

What I wouldn't consider a reasonable reply is, "I don't like steak, I like chicken." It is totally unnecessary to say that.

Even if that was what I was saying, and it's not - that analogy makes no sense - it would still be my opinion and you're never going to change it
 
I can see what he's saying in that there are some very distinct experiences both on consoles and PC.

I have somewhere around 70 Steam games. While I do like a good chunk of them, the only 2 I love are Half Minute Hero (a port) and Ys: Oath in Felghana (also a port). Outside of Steam, the only PC game I love is a visual novel (though this would most definitely change if more got translated).

Meanwhile on console/handhelds, I have absolutely no problem finding stuff to love if I know where to look. My recent obsession, Danganronpa 2, is unlikely to make it to PC as the company doesn't seem to have made any PC games. It's the same with a lot of other developers that make really distinct stuff. Would I be opposed to those games coming to PC? Absolutely not and I'd probably buy them all over again and might even be happy thanks to all the sales and other benefits of PC gaming. Still, as it stands, most of what I want to play does not exist on PC.
I definitely get all that. And even though I wouldn't say 70 games on Steam is all that much in comparison to the amount of games on PC in general, you at least have first-hand knowledge of what on PC you find good or not.
 
I don't think you know what "strawmanning" is even supposed to mean, given the use you are repeatedly making of it.

I've done no such thing, and "you only say you don't like PC games because you've probably never played them" is text book strawman fallacy.

This is especially funny because to this date there is ONE Zelda game that isn't playable on PC, and that's the 3DS one.
Also, you can play all the Persona games too.
Unless we are suddenly referring *specifically* to the VIta port and the fighting game spin-off.

I don't factor emulation into the mix for two reasons. Firstly, as I said, I like actually owning physical copies of my games. And secondly, spending hundreds of dollars (comprable, or even more-so to the cost of a PS4) on a machine JUST to play old games is an absurd proposition.
 
I don't factor emulation into the mix for two reasons. .
I don't care about your reasons.
They don't make your point any less wrong.

Firstly, as I said, I like actually owning physical copies of my games.
That's just moving goals.

And secondly, spending hundreds of dollars (comprable, or even more-so to the cost of a PS4) on a machine JUST to play old games is an absurd proposition.
Who *ever* said it would be "JUST" for emulation purposes?
 
You know what? People trying to reason with you are probably too polite to state it openly, but I'm going to guess that if all those games were available on PC, you would just pick new favorite games.

This is also a strawman, which is funny given your early post.

On top of that, and I've said it before - the point of this thread is to list why we don't have PCs. It's a function of our opinions and preferences, on what level of hubris do you think you exist on that you think you can just change my personal preferences?
 
This is also a strawman, which is funny given your early post.
No, wait, you're right. This *could* be described strawmanning, which still doesn't make your previous use of the word correct.
Of course, reading the whole conversation I'm confident I'm actually right, but let's pretend I'm not and I'm just guessing.
 
I'm not going to get into a dick measuring contest. Starcraft and Half Life are among my favorite games of all time and I played those on PC. I've also played Civ, Rome Total War, Sim City, etc etc. You keep strawmanning your posts because you keep assuming I've never played any of these games when I most certainly did. I even played Doom when it came out on my friend's PC after school all the time. But, currently, I just don't see the value in a PC because it doesn't have most of my favorite games.

Most of the Japanese games I play are completely unavailable on PC. I can play every Kingdom Hearts game now (well, officially starting in December, but you get my point) on my PS3 in HD, but not on PC. I can play EVERY Metal Gear Solid game on my PS3, but I can only play I, II, and V on PC (which is a horrible experience for anyone since they'd be missing large chunks of the story). I can go on and on. I'd rather miss out on PC exclusive titles than miss out on many of those games.
This isn't about a dick measuring content. It didn't sound like you'd had experience gaming on PC and if you'd just mentioned that earlier, it probably would cleared up quite a bit! For instance, you said that PC games weren't your cup of tea, but are now saying that StarCraft is one of your favourite games ever.

And your last sentence, it sounds like a bit of a changed tune in that its not that you dislike PC games, its that you have other games elsewhere you'd prefer to spend your time/money on. Which again, I don't think anybody would have a problem with.
 
I have a laptop, but I don't have a gaming PC simply because my laptop can run most PC exclusives I want to play. It can't run graphically intensive games extremely well but most PC exclusives I want to play aren't graphically intensive. I'll just buy non-exclusives on PS4.
 
The PC online community isn't any worse than console. It is worse than the 90's and late 00's though because more people got into tech, destroying the feeling of community that PC games used to have just like what happened on Xbox and PS2.

I'd agree that it certainly has changed as the platform has gotten more popular for gaming, but from my experiences it is still far and away my more preferred place to play online compared to the PS3 and xbox 360 at least. Being able to find favourites among servers and often communities within them is something I still find to be the better experience. Matchmaking and random games can be hit and miss experiences but I still find that the people are come across are far more pleasant than on og xbox, 360 and ps3. I can't speak for the new consoles though, perhaps things are very different now
 
I definitely get all that. And even though I wouldn't say 70 games on Steam is all that much in comparison to the amount of games on PC in general, you at least have first-hand knowledge of what on PC you find good or not.

You're absolutely right, 70 games is nothing when looking at the tens of thousands (if not more) PC has to offer.

Despite what I said, I always get excited when a summer/winter/whatever sale comes around, even if I don't buy much beyond what's already on my wishlist. Searching through all the categories to find something you like is fun.
 
I don't care about your reasons.
They don't make your point any less wrong.

Then why are you replying to me then? Once again, I've stated my preference and opinion. Neither of those things could be "wrong".


That's just moving goals.

No it's not.


Who *ever* said it would be "JUST" for emulation purposes?

I said I want to play Zelda in my hypothetical, so what else would I use it for?

On top of that, while we're talking about emulation, no Wii U emulator exists yet, so I wouldn't be able to play the new Zelda on PC either. Or Hyrule Warriors for that matter either.
 
If you come in here immediately assuming that every person speaking well of PC gaming is immediately an elitist and out to shut every one else, you won't actually learn something. Really no point in staying like the last guy that made the same assumptions.

I never said nor suggested PC gamers were elitist . My complaint is that PCers always talk-down to people like me in these threads - and they do. Suggesting that I eschew my laptop of choice so I can build a PC gaming rig is unreasonable - my non-gaming computer needs far outweigh my gaming ones. My laptop has been the best computer investment I've ever made.

Now if you think my tone is overly aggressive, well how do you expect me to react when the first comment to me was essentially, "Ur a troll. Read OP, dur", and the subsequent ones weren't much better.

Furthermore, I'm not shutting anyone out. The topic of the thread is "why don't you PC game". I stated my reasons.

But let me rephrase, if there were Japanese-style games easily available and optimised for Apple laptops, and if I could play them without much hassle I'd be all about it. But because, as far as I can tell, there aren't, I'm not inclined to make the investment.

You'd be surprised how many games a Macbook Pro could run. I think around 1/3 of GOG's catalog is Mac compatible, and plenty of Steam and indie games run on OS X. Certainly in the 100s if not 1,000s.

As for buying digital, just buy at a price you don't worry about selling back. If you buy games on sale for $1 or $2 (sometimes you can get ~10 games for $1 from a bundle), you hardly need to worry about selling them.

The problem is that I almost never see them. When Steam has a Touhou sale there wasn't weren't any for Mac. Really, it's stuff like Koumajou Densetsu that I'd be interested in playing, but it's not supported. Don't get me wrong, I have a few of them - StarCraft and Civ for example - but they also run sub-optimally (and in the case of Civ 5 I can't even play against my friends who have it on PC).

It seems like every PC thread aimed at console gamers devolves into nonsense. People have their opinions sure, but it should not be too hard to understand each other on these sorts of issues.

There are plenty of valid reasons for a console owner to not own a PC, there are plenty of valid reasons for a PC owner to not care about owning a console. There are tons of reasons for both to not care about mobile games for that matter. It doesn't have to devolve into a fight every time

Point well made
 
On top of that, and I've said it before - the point of this thread is to list why we don't have PCs. It's a function of our opinions and preferences, on what level of hubris do you think you exist on that you think you can just change my personal preferences?

Depends on how open minded and tolerating of new experiences you are. Some people who want to discuss things are open to hearing other people's thoughts on the matter without getting defensive.

There's plenty of examples of people who think one thing then change their mind when they look at it in a different light or give it a second chance (or in some cases are corrected). Happens all the time. Maybe not to you, but it does happen to other people.

Edit: Another thing to consider, tastes change. Clearly you used to find value in PC exclusives, and even place some among your favorite games of all time. Who's to say in 10 years you don't get an itch to revisit StarCraft, and it sparks a plug to get in to other PC games you missed, and you grow tired of your current KH/MGS/JRPG slanted tastes. I like to keep my options open, so generally I don't abandon ship on platforms, even if I'm not playing much on them.
 
Then why are you replying to me then? .
because I made a factual statement ("you can play those games on PC") and you answered to me with your silly arbitrary reasons about why you don't think it should count?
I'm not the one who's not sticking to the point.
As I said I don't care about your "reasons", because regardless of them what I said doesn't change: you *can* play those games on PC.

No it's not.
Yes, it is.

On top of that, while we're talking about emulation, no Wii U emulator exists yet, so I wouldn't be able to play the new Zelda on PC either.
SO far, you're not able to play it on any other platform, either.
 
No, wait, you're right. This *could* be described strawmanning, which still doesn't make your previous use of the word correct.
Of course, reading the whole conversation I'm confident I'm actually right, but let's pretend I'm not and I'm just guessing.

It is, because I said that if all of the games I typically play were on PC, I'd probably make the switch. That was one of the first posts, I made in this thread. So you can continue to imply things about what I've said that don't exist, but at the end of the day it's fallacious and I will call it out.
 
because I made a factual statement ("you can play those games on PC") and you answered to me with your silly arbitrary reasons about why you don't think it should count?
I'm not the one who's not sticking to the point.

It's not about them not counting, it's that I don't factor it into my decision making. If that's how you want to play those games, then do so by all means, but I like having the physical copy. And also, emulation doesn't account for new and up coming games in the series.

Yes, it is.

It's not. I said that I vastly prefer physical to digital in my original post in this thread. If anything, you're trying to move the goalpost by discounting it.

SO far, you're not able to play it on any other platform, either.

Where did I say I wasn't fine with that? That's why I own a Wii U.
 
because I made a factual statement ("you can play those games on PC") and you answered to me with your silly arbitrary reasons about why you don't think it should count?

Emulation is imperfect. In the case of Persona 4, just as a random example, Kanji's Bathhouse has a ridiculous amount of slowdown thanks to the steam effect. There are other PS2 games which flat out don't run, and the less said about the state of the original Xbox emulation the better.

Emulation has been mostly perfected up to PS1 era in general, though the Gamecube (and by extension the Wii) were cracked pretty damned fast, I'll grant.

Certainly emulation isn't exactly a selling point if you're interested in more recent JRPGs.
 
It's not about them not counting, it's that I don't factor it into my decision making.
That's just your problem, isn't it?

It's not. I said that I vastly prefer physical to digital in my original post in this thread. If anything, you're trying to move the goalpost by discounting it.
I still think that's completely irrelevant, but... Emulation works with physical copies too. Now I'm impatient to listen to your next made-up excuse.

Where did I say I wasn't fine with that? That's why I own a Wii U.
Let me re-word it: so far you can't play it on a Wii U either. The game just doesn't exist yet.
 
Disingenuously omitting something so you can keep telling other people they are wrong when they misinterpret your vague statements has to be the lamest rhetoric I've seen in a while.
 
That's just your problem, isn't it?

So is "I'm a student and can't afford a PC right now" to those people - that's the whole point of this thread.


I still think that's completely irrelevant, but... Emulation works with physical copies too. Now I'm impatient to listen to your next made-up excuse.

If you can't back up your claims without resorting to nonsensical assumptions or passive aggressive attacks, I'm going to just ignore you

Let me re-word it: so far you can't play it on a Wii U either. The game just doesn't exist yet.

I don't really see the point in that, but Hyrule Warriors is another Zelda game that isn't emulatable either.
 
A person has never had steak, but really likes chicken. At a restaurant, he orders chicken. Their friend says, "Why not try the steak instead?"

So at this point, a reasonable reply would be, "Well, I know I'll like the chicken." Cant really argue with that.

What I wouldn't consider a reasonable reply is, "I don't like steak, I like chicken." It is totally unnecessary to say that.

"why don't you try steak? It's really good"

"fuck you you elitist prick. It's way more expensive, and you have to use some special knife, and I don't like anything but my regular knife. Besides, I don't have any interest in any of those steak sauces, I only like sauces that go on chicken. I might have tried steak, but all the people who recommend steak keep trying to cram it down my throat, and if I try steak it might make me have to keep company with all those elitist steak eating assholes. If you could show me a steak that's as cheap as chicken and has the same sauce and I can use a regular knife with I might consider it, but I work in an abatoir all day, and when I come home I don't want to look at meat."
 
"why don't you try steak? It's really good"

"fuck you you elitist prick. It's way more expensive, and you have to use some special knife, and I don't like anything but my regular knife. Besides, I don't have any interest in any of those steak sauces, I only like sauces that go on chicken. I might have tried steak, but all the people who recommend steak keep trying to cram it down my throat, and if I try steak it might make me have to keep company with all those elitist steak eating assholes. If you could show me a steak that's as cheap as chicken and has the same sauce and I can use a regular knife with I might consider it, but I work in an abatoir all day, and when I come home I don't want to look at meat."

Outstanding. The ending was amazing. :) 10/10
 
I bought a PC because of the deals!

Then I bought Dark Souls on Steam!

Now I get this!

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I can't even start the game. PC gaming can suck a fatnut. Now I'm trying to scour gamefaqs trying to fix it and not getting any luck. Fuck this.
 
"why don't you try steak? It's really good"

"fuck you you elitist prick. It's way more expensive, and you have to use some special knife, and I don't like anything but my regular knife. Besides, I don't have any interest in any of those steak sauces, I only like sauces that go on chicken. I might have tried steak, but all the people who recommend steak keep trying to cram it down my throat, and if I try steak it might make me have to keep company with all those elitist steak eating assholes. If you could show me a steak that's as cheap as chicken and has the same sauce and I can use a regular knife with I might consider it, but I work in an abatoir all day, and when I come home I don't want to look at meat."

Ok that ending got me.
 
"pc doesn't have the exclusives I like on consoles" is an excuse to buy a console, not an excuse to not buy a PC

Pc gaming has exclusives for all tastes, every genre is covered... and all of them have great games in them.
What exclusive 3d fighters are there on the PC?
 
I bought a PC because of the deals!

Then I bought Dark Souls on Steam!

Now I get this!

Are you using DSfix? Make sure in-game AA is turned off. Otherwise hope for eventual Steamworks integration.

Also, one iffy port isn't the definition of an entire platform. Remember PS3 and Skyrim?
 
"why don't you try steak? It's really good"

"fuck you you elitist prick. It's way more expensive, and you have to use some special knife, and I don't like anything but my regular knife. Besides, I don't have any interest in any of those steak sauces, I only like sauces that go on chicken. I might have tried steak, but all the people who recommend steak keep trying to cram it down my throat, and if I try steak it might make me have to keep company with all those elitist steak eating assholes. If you could show me a steak that's as cheap as chicken and has the same sauce and I can use a regular knife with I might consider it, but I work in an abatoir all day, and when I come home I don't want to look at meat."

Holy shit. I am about to die at work
 
It's not about them not counting, it's that I don't factor it into my decision making. If that's how you want to play those games, then do so by all means, but I like having the physical copy. And also, emulation doesn't account for new and up coming games in the series.



It's not. I said that I vastly prefer physical to digital in my original post in this thread. If anything, you're trying to move the goalpost by discounting it.

You can use physical copies with the emulators I have used. Though I personally just make an image file of the disc and used that. Much more convenient and you get the ease of digital with still having a physical copy for your collection.
 
I bought a PC because of the deals!

Then I bought Dark Souls on Steam!

Now I get this!




I can't even start the game. PC gaming can suck a fatnut. Now I'm trying to scour gamefaqs trying to fix it and not getting any luck. Fuck this.

If that's windows 8 it just means GFWL isn't properly installed and since the game needs it to run it, well yeah.
 
I bought a PC because of the deals!

Then I bought Dark Souls on Steam!

Now I get this!




I can't even start the game. PC gaming can suck a fatnut. Now I'm trying to scour gamefaqs trying to fix it and not getting any luck. Fuck this.

You should play some gran turismo 5 multiplayer or MGO on ps3 it will relax you

(every pc gamer hates the shit out of GFWL too, but GFWL is now dead, ding dong the witch is dead and we all dance on its grave)
Shitty always online drm has been rejected by the pc community, it is gone. Incidentally paying for multiplayer (gfwl 1.0) was also rejected by the pc community, ahhhh the virtues of an open platform where you can look at anti consumer practices and tell the people trying to force them on you to stick them up their ass as you go elsewhere.
edit : gfwl got resurrected by MS? There is no god. We will have to kill it harder next time
 
Best possible version? It runs at 800p @ 30fps (cinematic according to the devs). Would you prefer the devs limit the highest settings so people can run them more easily? No. That's pointless. Highest settings exist for a reason. They are supposed to be for the very best hardware.
Saying it's the "best possible version" makes no sense, you are being given no choice. Something that you do with PC games.

well, there is no other version of the Order 1886 beside the PS4 version, so yes,it is the best possible version.
My personal preference with PC gaming for all intents and purposes has served me well. I have a high standards for PC gaming part of which is based on the resources I have at my disposal, I work with it and I never go beyond what I know my PC is capable of maxing out, nothing more nothing less. I admit it may sound a bit abused or a bit quirky, but as I said, its preferences that works for me.
 
"why don't you try steak? It's really good"

"fuck you you elitist prick. It's way more expensive, and you have to use some special knife, and I don't like anything but my regular knife. Besides, I don't have any interest in any of those steak sauces, I only like sauces that go on chicken. I might have tried steak, but all the people who recommend steak keep trying to cram it down my throat, and if I try steak it might make me have to keep company with all those elitist steak eating assholes. If you could show me a steak that's as cheap as chicken and has the same sauce and I can use a regular knife with I might consider it, but I work in an abatoir all day, and when I come home I don't want to look at meat."

So damn good.
 
And will they let me use my old butter knife on them? AND do they have cinematic sauce?

In reality the whole argument actually comes down to the lack of sushi if you ask me. But finding a restaurant that does good sushi and other types of cuisine is handicapping yourself from the get go. That's why eating at several places is only natural.
 
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