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The top 10,maybe 20 even games of all time are pc exclusives.
And most of them were released in the late 90s
Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
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The top 10,maybe 20 even games of all time are pc exclusives.
And most of them were released in the late 90s
I play on PC because it opens up entire new genres of gaming - particularly strategy games that you can't get anywhere else.
Every platform has tons of shooters and action games, but only PC has real options beyond that.
There are about 100 more reasons I prefer PC (like Steam, getting to choose my own settings/options, game prices, etc) at least, but the biggest one is that the best games (for me) are exclusive to PC.
Every platform has tons of shooters and action games, but only PC has real options beyond that.
There are about 100 more reasons I prefer PC (like Steam, getting to choose my own settings/options, game prices, etc) at least, but the biggest one is that the best games (for me) are exclusive to PC.
ThePlayerofGames
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Me saying 'I prefer retail' and someone else saying 'pc digital is objectively better' is condescending no matter how you phrase it.
SmokedMeat
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Who created this "official" list of the best games of all time?
Red Mage
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I hope they meant "My" and not "The."
Atraveller
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Point 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, don't know about 2, 4 is half wrong, and 6 is missing.
Who are you talking to?
Krisprolls
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The main reason why I mostly play on console is I don't want to bother with configuration and technical trouble with every game. I tried Watch Dogs PC, stuttering was everywhere. Ran it on PS4, it worked perfectly.
Yesterday I download Fifa 15 PC demo, goes in windowed mode with stuttering and never goes back fullscreen. Zero problem on PS4. It's always like that. Devs just don't care about PC, because money is mostly on consoles. It won't change, because piracy won't go away.
I'm 40, I've got money, money is not the problem, TIME is the problem. When I come back from work, I don't want to bother with ini, settings, technical bugs and drivers to gain 2 fps over the console version or just make it work. I want to play now and be sure it'll work. Consoles are just better for that. I don't care if it has 5 less pixels, I just don't see them, sorry.
The simple fact that PC gamers always try to convince you to go PC and console players never do the same tells you all you need to know. PC gamers are the ones having trouble justifying the money they put in this. Console gamers are ok with their choice, they just don't care about PC. Stop trying to convince us every single time, you're just losing your time and it screams insecurity.
And that's without even talking about cheaters, console exclusives you miss (that I like more than PC exclusives, except maybe Civilization) or big games coming 2 years later. I wouldn't face mouse / kb players with my pad in a PC FPS either, it just doesn't make sense. So you've got tons of reasons not to go PC actually. Especially with diminishing returns, which will make harder and harder to notice any difference in power.
Yesterday I download Fifa 15 PC demo, goes in windowed mode with stuttering and never goes back fullscreen. Zero problem on PS4. It's always like that. Devs just don't care about PC, because money is mostly on consoles. It won't change, because piracy won't go away.
I'm 40, I've got money, money is not the problem, TIME is the problem. When I come back from work, I don't want to bother with ini, settings, technical bugs and drivers to gain 2 fps over the console version or just make it work. I want to play now and be sure it'll work. Consoles are just better for that. I don't care if it has 5 less pixels, I just don't see them, sorry.
The simple fact that PC gamers always try to convince you to go PC and console players never do the same tells you all you need to know. PC gamers are the ones having trouble justifying the money they put in this. Console gamers are ok with their choice, they just don't care about PC. Stop trying to convince us every single time, you're just losing your time and it screams insecurity.
And that's without even talking about cheaters, console exclusives you miss (that I like more than PC exclusives, except maybe Civilization) or big games coming 2 years later. I wouldn't face mouse / kb players with my pad in a PC FPS either, it just doesn't make sense. So you've got tons of reasons not to go PC actually. Especially with diminishing returns, which will make harder and harder to notice any difference in power.
AntiFacebook
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Give me a second and I'll find the link for you.
Don't look at me, I was just responding to a groundless claim with another groundless claim.
UnrealEck
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Yep. Subjective, same as what he was replying to in regards to which platform has the best exclusives.
Sentenza
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Pretty much every single point, except the ones that are just subjective opinions (and they are terrible anyway, but you know... opinions).
It really depends on the games you play and what you want them to do. If you're looking to min/max settings and add mods, then yeah you've got a lot of fiddling around ahead of you. If you just want to install then play a game then you can absolutely do that with minimal fuss (I say minimal because there will be occasion where you might have to mess about a bit. But in my experience its very rare that I can't just click play and start playing. I think 1 game in the past 2 years gave me a bit of bother. YMMV, and other people might have been unluckier than me. But my experience has been relatively trouble free).
The scenario you are imagining above simply isn't the reality for the majority of people.
derExperte
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PS4 players are most certainly trying to convince everyone to go PS4. Replace PS4 with any other console ever.
Gipsy Danger
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Really funny that you picked one of the worse ports in recent history for your comparison. I played Watch Dogs PC, it wasn't the best port but it still ran better than the 30fps console counterpart.
Yesterday I downloaded FIFA 15 demo on Origin and it worked fine. YMMV of course but it's hardly fair to compare the sports games because EA always lazily puts them out if at all.
I have no issue justifying the money I've spent, I play to buy another graphics card before the years end and I'm super excited for it. I used to be a console gamer as did a lot of people in this thread but they changed and most of them have been very happy with their decision, including me.
All you've done is prove how ignorant some people can be about the platform.
Finaika
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Console gamers try to convince PC gamers to play console games all the time (Destiny, Uncharted, TLoU etc).
SmokedMeat
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It's just someone giving their personal opinion, which is perfectly ok. It's not an attack on PC gaming.
SmokedMeat
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If it's a thread asking Which Console should I buy? PS4 or X, then yes, a lot of people are saying buy a PS4.
And even in those threads you still are guaranteed to have multiple PC guys come in and say PC is the only answer. This is even after the OP states they're not interested, or has a small budget.
Yep, everyone has their own biases. From consoles, to their controllers, to the games and their exclusives, to their online services, to the manufacturers actions. Even their press conferences come under the "which one is best" scrutiny. The whole platform thing is merely a part of it all.
FrakkinFordy
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I have a laptop that lets me look at adult entertainment online, surf ye olde text based message boards, illegally download tv shows and occasionally do some work. All while irradiating my testicles. That and a PS4 means I don't need a PC for gaming.
Still, I remember my first PC fondly, P75 with 8MB of RAM and an Ati video card. Doom, X-Wing, TIE, Dark Forces etc, those were great times.....jumped off the PC train around about the time of Doom 3 and Half Life 2. I dunno, perhaps it's working in IT, perhaps not but I just don't feel the need to have a gaming PC anymore. Quite happy with a dedicated TV box for that.
Still, I remember my first PC fondly, P75 with 8MB of RAM and an Ati video card. Doom, X-Wing, TIE, Dark Forces etc, those were great times.....jumped off the PC train around about the time of Doom 3 and Half Life 2. I dunno, perhaps it's working in IT, perhaps not but I just don't feel the need to have a gaming PC anymore. Quite happy with a dedicated TV box for that.
Sentenza
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...That you are living in a fictional world?
You get people who don't read the OP in threads like those everytime. Vouching for every platform. Beyond that PC is a valid choice for most looking to choose between PS4 and XBONE if there's nothing to indicate it isn't. Like this thread shows people still have many misconceptions about the platform. Makes sense to me to make sure the OP in those kind of threads is realistically aware of their options.
A lot of these are subjective, so I agree they can't be argued with. I find keyboard and mouse to be perfectly comfortable; he doesn't. Nothing to do about that. He thinks console exclusives are better; I definitely don't. Again, there's no arguing that.
A few have objective elements, however. For instance, he said that consoles draw less power than PC does; if he'd just left it at "consoles" he could be right, but then he specifically cited the Playstation and Xbox. Nintendo's consoles do draw notably less power, but Xbox and particularly Playstation do not. The PS4 is a power hog. I really haven't run in to a great deal of cheating on PC, either. I could probably quibble with the suggestion that it's "fairly common," although you could define "fairly common" however you want to match your criteria.
Otherwise, I generally agree with him. His last point -- about consoles being cheaper -- I also agree with, for a specific reason: a lot of times PC gamers play fast and loose with the PC they're talking about. It is absolutely true, for instance, that you can make a PC that is notably cheaper than the consoles which plays thousands of games... just not necessarily the big, AAA console games you may personally want most. You can also make a PC that plays all those big, AAA console games, and can even make one that plays those AAA console games at notably better levels than the consoles themselves do. But these aren't all the same computer; these are different computers with different capabilities and consequently different prices. I find a lot of posters sort of meld all those together as if they were one thing -- and in a way they sort of all, they are all PCs -- but they aren't one PC that a single person could buy at a lower price than the PS4 but which also plays all PS4 games at higher resolution, for instance.
derExperte
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I didn't mean those threads (though you can be sure a console that was excluded by the op will get brought up anyway), it's everywhere, all the time. Which may be the reason people don't even notice all the shilling going on anymore when it concerns consoles.
Holy crap is that a stupid, new thing.
Someone hasn't played a Call of Duty game online
Dictator93
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Apparently every game's community is the same as LoLs and Dotas 2's... who knew!
A lot of it is implicit. For instance, there was a thread yesterday about Minecraft 2 going exclusive. If you read the OP, it becomes clear that "exclusive" really just means "not on Playstation," despite the fact that the game is also on iOS, also on Android, and also on PC, and sold considerably more on those platforms.
I don't think that OP meant anything bad by it, but it's a common problem; to a lot of people, the gaming world outside the PS/Xbox is invisible, and you can tell that by the language they use and how questions are implicitly framed. There are other threads, for instance, that ask "which console should I buy?" and without even explicitly saying so, what the person is really asking is "Should I buy an Xbox or a Playstation," without considering Nintendo or more marginal products like Ouya.
SmokedMeat
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If you're interested in buying a console, then no PC isn't a valid choice.
Gipsy Danger
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But surely you are interested in buying a gaming device. Why does it have to be a console specifically when they are just small form factor PCs with a much more closed ecosystem? Fair enough if your budget doesn't allow it but most people don't even consider PC a valid option.
FeiRR
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I see that "ignorant" and "silly" are very popular words in this thread. See, the problem with many platform preachers is the idea that hardware choices make you a better person, which is a very twisted and sick form of racism.
People have a right to choose whatever they want, even if they don't choose what you see as an optimal choice. People have a right to spend their money how they please, even if they waste it. I like wasting money, it's a wonderful feeling. People even have a right to be ignorant about things which they simply don't care about, even though you may find it important. And you have no right to criticize them or call any of the names I mentioned.
I know what PC gaming is like but I don't care much. I know how to "build" (this word always cracks me up, it's simple assembly) a PC probably better than most PC GAF, yet I don't do it anymore. I'm a graphics whore but only limited, closed platforms are my scope of interest. I chose to be ignorant because there are more important things in my life than polishing my config. I spent a lot of time doing it in the past and it was pointless.
Many people came to your thread to express themselves. Many are console gamers who aren't ashamed of their choices. What you call them? Ignorant and silly. If I ever wanted to play PC games online again, I'd never wish to cross pings with people who behave in such a way. This is all I wanted to say, good luck befriending people by beating them with a stick. I think it's not going to work.
MrNyarlathotep
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Your moneys counterfeit
Unfortunately, that's not exclusive to PC gaming (nor to gaming for that matter).
Then we should probably all be playing on a WiiU at most. Tablets or smartphones would probably be even better.
If you want a more powerful platform, then obviously you need more power. Just make sure you turn off your devices when you aren't using them (and I'm looking at myself here...).
Not everyone sits at their desks when they play on PC. And how comfortable that is depends on the chair and desk, it's not an inherent problem (it can be expensive to solve though, if you want a good chair).
About mice vs controllers: I'm actually really happy that mice come in many different shapes and sizes. I have small hands, and most controllers are slightly large. There are very few alternatives from 3rd parties. On the other hand, I found a small, lightweight mouse that is really comfy for me (Roccat Pyra for anyone having the same problem). Still looking for a smaller keyboard though.
This depends so much on your gaming and purchasing habits, that I actually find it rather pointless to discuss in general terms.
I don't know, but when I read about people getting banned on PSN because PayPal initiated a charge-back, or Nintendo giving people trouble for buying the same game for several family members and redeeming the codes, I think I rather buy on gog... I have a sizeable collection on PSN and a number of games from the eShop, but I can't say I feel that my investments on those platforms are particularly safe.
Red Mage
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I would play games like Skyrim on PC so... yeah, I imagine I'd be fiddling quite a bit.
While I agree with the rest of your post, it's not racism. It's just prejudice. Unless you're talking about self-aware A.I., then it'd be racism. = P
Gipsy Danger
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It's not just about not caring. It's about spreading misinformation to people who maybe were interested in the platform. It's damaging to the community and it is ignorant.
The point is you have the choice. That's what PC is all about.
Sentenza
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When someone asks "what console should I buy?", unless he specifies otherwise (which unlike you were suggesting rarely happens) what he's actually asking is typically "What gaming device should I buy?" and a PC is a perfectly viable and competent gaming device as consoles are, so it's *absolutely hilarious* that people are so often offended when the PC is mentioned as a possible option, as if there was some sort of lèse majesté going on.
I imagine you... wouldn't, if you weren't willing to?
Delicious Waffles
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I don't know what I'm doing. When it comes to parts, what they do, is part A better than part B, how to build it, I'm completely lost. I'd love to do it myself but I'm afraid of messing something up and I don't feel like paying a bunch of money for something like Alienware.
This is trivializing to those who encounter actual racism.
Agreed. This is part of that "fast and loose" definition of a PC I was talking about in a post a few up.
Yes, you can play on PC with almost no fuss. Most games these days play automatically with no hassle, and certainly there is no modifying of INI files or constant driver updates or anything of that sort any longer. That's all a myth. Most PC games just play.
You can also play games on PC that are endlessly modable, as PC gamers often point out. It can be really cool, and you can make games look different or play different in substantial ways.
But doing the latter requires fiddling, and you cannot have both a simple, easy, install-and-just-play game also be an endlessly-modable-have-fun-and-tinker game. Now, you could make the point that the PC is great because it allows you to do both, or either, but this is going to depend on the person. For some people (such as yourself), the PC would be considerably more tinker-y than it is for someone who mostly plays browser games or someone who just installs Steam games and plays them.
Gipsy Danger
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Honestly it's easier than ever. You should visit this thread which has some of the nicest and most helpful people on GAF. They will happily provide builds for you or help you with any questions you have. And you have a whole bunch of video tutorials for building now or you could get it built at a specialist shop.
For me, it's not about any of the individual factors listed in the OP, but rather a combination of pretty much all of them. I just have zero interest in messing with any of it. I don't have a ton of time to game, so I am more than content to hook a console up to my TV and play here and there when I have time.
Red Mage
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So if I'm not going to fiddle with the settings or use mods, why would I choose PC over a console? Assuming I didn't have to fiddle around to make the game work or not crash at a certain point, not messing with the settings or mods would defeat the only reason I would even be interested in PC Gaming.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
People are being called ignorant because they are making ignorant statements.
Statements of things expressed as objective facts which have either been endlessly debunked or are massively subjective opinions.
Being ignorant doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you unaware of facts, and that "preaching" you find annoying is someone trying to educate you.
If you take offence to being educated, that says volumes about you as a person.
Volumes.
EDIT:
Steam workshop integration is actually the best of both worlds for this, and Skyrim includes steam workshop support.
Sure, you don't get all of the mods available out there, but you also don't have anything more fiddly than a loading screen menu that you toggle things on and off with.
Krisprolls
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No they usually don't. PC gamers are in every console thread though.
Minsc
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They do make mod packs that install with a few clicks too keep in mind. Morrowind, Oblivion, probably Skyrim, S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s another famous one, etc. Download one mod pack, use the auto-installer, answer some prompts when you start your game, and you're done. So you can kinda get the best of both worlds in some cases.
Also Steam workshop, which I haven't used myself much, but I see it's mentioned above, and it's supposed to make things simpler too.
It's not uncommon for people to own more platforms than a console, like a PC and a console for instance.
Well, considering all the troubleshooting I've been doing with my PS4 lately (I just had to go in and open a bunch of ports to get Destiny to work, for instance), I'd say the platforms are about on par with each other, unless you plan to do a lot of modding on a PC.
Or you could go Xbox One. That system's rock solid.
I thought that 8-point-pretending-to-be-9-point post from the previous page was wrong. This is wronger. More wrong. However you want to put it.
I have console gamers telling me what a stupid person I am for not playing games like TLOU all the time. You don't hear me in every thread demanding you play Shadow Warrior, which was 2013's best game.
Gipsy Danger
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Games run better, are cheaper, you have the option of pretty much any controller, 1000s of exclusive games and 10000s of backwards compatible games. Probably more too.
Sentenza
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Well... Cheaper software?
Better performances and image quality?
The fact that you can change your mind at any given moment and "fiddle with settings" when you are willing to?
It's not an assumption, it's a fact. You could even ignore the most basic visual option, if you are just content with how the game runs by default.
Well, but that's just your problem, isn't it? Why it should be my concern, to any degree, to make you "interested in PC gaming"?
You could be interested in tuxedo scuba diving, for all I care.
No, it's not.
Beside, many of those accusations of ignorance don't come as a reaction to "personal preferences", but as an answer to attempts to excuse a personal bias making factually wrong statements.
On a side note, I also think that's what a lot of console gamers are referring to when they claim they are being constantly "evangelized" on this forum.
When they say "I have my preferences and don't bother me about them" what they seem to want is actually the right to make as many baseless claims as they want, without anyone correcting them.
Every time someone says "What? No, that's not true at all" you hear all the cries about "elitists bullying them".
on the other side of the coin, I'm also fairly confident a lot of PC gamers on this forum wouldn't give a crap about where they choose to play on, if they could refrain from justify their choices spouting some bullshit.
Probably more? Definitely more. There are more games on the PC than all other platforms combined.
And more software.
So what you are saying is that PC gamers are exceedingly helpful and good people who want the best for everyone? That's also my experience
. Then again, I don't play MOBAs.Sure, if you want to play modded to hell and back Skyrim on PC you absolutely do need to fiddle.
If you want to play it modded on console though? You can't. I don't really see an advantage there.
Well, I could imagine many reasons. Its exclusives, or its superior performance on multiplatform titles, or its options in terms of control methods, or maybe its cheap game prices. Perhaps the longevity of your game library or the fact that your peripherals aren't made obsolete by arbitrary hardware transitions?
To add an example, the sonic community made Sonic GMI for generations, a menu to enable or disable mods and launch the game at a click. It comes with the unleashed project installed by default and uses the windows installer interface.
derExperte
Member
Many PC centered threads went to shit thanks to console gamers showing up. Many. Which you should be aware of I might add.