Given some of the hashtag's more unpleasant associations, that's priceless. Irony indeed, commenters.
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Given some of the hashtag's more unpleasant associations, that's priceless. Irony indeed, commenters.
partyphone
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so at what point in this gamergate thing do we attack major publications for taking ad money from the companies they cover?
To give an example of the type of stuff this guy was getting banned for, I gave him one of his 16 bans. It was the sixth one on his most recent account.
I gave him two months since that was basically what all his other bans were for (along with rampant misogyny as the other half).
It was in a thread I split bump to highlight that Microsoft was making at least four new IPs.
It was early 2013 and some people replied joking that they would be Kinect games (since, to be fair, Microsoft had been releasing at of Kinect games not long prior) while others were excited and talking about what they would like to see.
As general policy, telling another user to "go fuck yourself" will get you banned 99% of time.
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I gave him two months since that was basically what all his other bans were for (along with rampant misogyny as the other half).
It was in a thread I split bump to highlight that Microsoft was making at least four new IPs.
It was early 2013 and some people replied joking that they would be Kinect games (since, to be fair, Microsoft had been releasing at of Kinect games not long prior) while others were excited and talking about what they would like to see.
As general policy, telling another user to "go fuck yourself" will get you banned 99% of time.
EmCeeGramr
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Agreed, Totally Sincere Junior Poster
Also other pleasant stuff like telling women to get pregnant and then punched so they could have miscarriages, and whining that GAF is being too strict when you can't even post about how "apples" can't "become oranges" (how mysterious... what could he mean?) without getting banned.
As soon they stop people from discussing social issues.*
*Unless those social issues are ones that Zoe Quinn disagrees with.
endless dave
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this is a part of every kind of media's press. music does it, movies do it, TV does it, etc. not saying that as a reason, but just to point out that the ethical conversation has been had long, long ago for this.
not to mention, ad teams and editorial teams are kept completely separate, especially if we're talking about "major publications"
Hilariously, GamerGate is too busy contacting non-gaming advertisers like NewEgg and Amazon and asking them to remove their ads from gaming sites.
I'm sure I've seen this avatar being heavily involved in the entire thing:
http://4archive.org/v/res/259553049
When talking of poisoned sources being behind a movement. I mean come on.
http://4archive.org/v/res/259553049
When talking of poisoned sources being behind a movement. I mean come on.
Cosmonaut X
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C'mon, Jason - this is CLEARLY about their concern over poorly-policed divisions between editorial and advertising, and the impact NewEgg's advertising would have on Kotaku's coverage of... NewEgg products? Or something.
Rahrah #gamergate rahrah.
partyphone
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like when Jeff got fired for not liking a bad game with a big marketing budget.
Can someone tell me more about this:
https://twitter.com/Nero/status/510166178757902336
I've seen a few tweets about this popping up on my twitter TL. Not really following this entire thing anymore, but is it related to Gamergate or to Zoe's personal life again? Something about a promised donation?
https://twitter.com/Nero/status/510166178757902336
I've seen a few tweets about this popping up on my twitter TL. Not really following this entire thing anymore, but is it related to Gamergate or to Zoe's personal life again? Something about a promised donation?
Holy fuck. These people are irredeemable.
ShockingAlberto
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Two games, actually. When the CBSi buyout happened, he was on a stream with John Davidson and said it was because of Kane & Lynch and a Ratchet and Clank game.
ClosingADoor
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I don't know if you are serious, but pick up a fashion magazine or something. Nothing but ads about things they write about. It happens in all industries, since people interested in those products read magazines/websites/watch tv related to those products.
This is really something... I wonder what they think to achieve with that and if any advertisers take that seriously.
Those replies about her... Seems it is difficult for some to see people on the other end of the internet line are also that: people.
partyphone
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Hah! but contributing to someone's patreon is beyond the pale, apparently.
endless dave
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I mean, yes, bad things happen when those teams AREN'T kept separate, but the system has worked without incident for years. I've been on both sides of this in the music industry. there will always be a supply of people who want to run ads on a major site/in a major publication. editorial has no good reason to favor one or the other if we're talk straight ad sales
I have no problem using a broad brush to paint anyone who works for Briebart as someone not worth anyone's time
huh, iFred is an organization devoted to getting funding for mental health / de-stigmatizing mental health issues.
Ahhh.
http://www.depressionquest.com/dqfinal.html
Basically on the DQ website, it states that a percentage of the proceeds from the game will go to iFred; the donate link itself seems to be going to a blank page, and the other option is paypal'ing Patrick Lindsey.
I'm guessing someone asked iFred if any donations had come in from DQ, and they said no. Though isn't DQ free on Steam or something?
EDIT: Saw the Breitbart link, ugh, not a fan of Breitbart. Also, getting "Nero" as a twitter handle must have been somewhat expensive. I sort of wish someone with a parody account grabbed that; Emperor Nero the parody account would be awesome.
I love that he thinks calling neoGAF a hivemind is "discussion." No, it's a fallback comment of lazy, irrational individuals who cannot be arsed to defend their own positions against a group they deem "too large" to tackle adequately. So they try to pretend NeoGAF somehow fucking transmutes opinions to one another and that we all push the same points of view.
It's fucking nonsense and it's pathetic. This guy should be banned again the second his ban is over just for being so fucking daft.
This is weird but...
If you watch Anchorman 1 you'll learn about mens' reaction to feminists in the workplace.
If you watch Anchorman 2 you'll learn about how big companies twist the news and sensationalize it for hits and then coverup for parent companies that fund them.
What happens next!?!
We're literally reliving the 70's right now.
If you watch Anchorman 1 you'll learn about mens' reaction to feminists in the workplace.
If you watch Anchorman 2 you'll learn about how big companies twist the news and sensationalize it for hits and then coverup for parent companies that fund them.
What happens next!?!
We're literally reliving the 70's right now.
The front page says National Suicide Prevention Hotline instead of iFred, so maybe the charity got changed in one site but not in another? <shrug> Now if nothing has been donated to NSPH; that would be pretty crappy on her part.
Endemic advertising isn't inherently problematic unless one or both things happen:
1) publication is completely reliant on it
2) editorial team gets involved
If we take CBSi for example, their Giant Bomb site manages it well: endemic front page ads *without* editorial participation, non-endemic podcast ads *with* editorial participation (hosts read the ad and joke about the product).
However, their other games site, Gamespot, is very problematic, especially considering their history. They have two editorial hosts making advertorial content for Call of Duty and another editor hosting Blizzard events and hyping their (unreleased) product.
It is very, very telling that GamerGate hasn't mentioned this once.
Makes you wonder what their real agenda is. >.>
This is it, a little bigger:
I'll wait and see what it all means in the end.
Looks like she really screwed up. Hopefully she can just clear it up and not make this into a big deal. =/
Palette Swap
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I know it's obvious but it is worth noting that these are the exact people who consider having comments under every article a point of journalistic integrity and apparently an inalienable right. Much like shitting in the pool is I guess.
They arent even using Kotaku-related red line conspiracy crap easily available online, their approach is so limited and obviously aimed as "SJW" that their feigned concern for a discussion of ethics cant look for incriminating stuff in other places.
I'm going to go with "it takes more than eight minutes for whoever happens to be running that Facebook page to answer what's a pretty complicated question."
EDIT Although depressionquest.com says "However, if you do choose to pay the developers for their efforts, a portion of the proceeds will be donated to National Suicide Prevention Hotline." right now.
Wouldn't necessarily assume that off the bat; the main website lists a different charity, and it could just be they changed their minds and donated to a different charity, but forgot to revise the second page. Curious to see if anyone asks the NSPH website if they received a donation, and if so, how much / and when?
robovanburen
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DepressionQuest.com says that a portion of the proceeds go toward http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/
BennyBlanco
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Because they just changed it.
The front page was changed on August 24th, not just now. The "final.html" page hasn't been changed.
Then why does it say the exact same thing on archive.org's version of the page from the 8th?
https://web.archive.org/web/20140908052605/http://www.depressionquest.com/
robovanburen
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Palette Swap
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So they're running a false story on easily verified premises and people are still falling for it?
Yep, things haven't changed since this began in a "sex corruption scandal".
I guess the next steps are "have you seen this picture? It raises some questions that should be answered" and then "why aren't gaming sites reporting on this when my favorite youtuber does?"
Yep, things haven't changed since this began in a "sex corruption scandal".
I guess the next steps are "have you seen this picture? It raises some questions that should be answered" and then "why aren't gaming sites reporting on this when my favorite youtuber does?"
MHWilliams
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This is it, a little bigger:
I'll wait and see what it all means in the end.
It looks like it was changed on Aug 24, 2014. Probably a decent thing to reach out and ask about.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yea, I stand corrected. It's still there, but the front page of the website doesn't mention iFred.
SenorArdilla
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Very good. It was changed from iFred to the Nation Suicide Prevention Hotline somewhere between August 20th and August 24th. The game itself has been out since February.
It seems like someone did try to contact the Suicide Prevention Hotline:
...I've had to call that hotline (I think it was that hotline) several years ago; and they were awesome and amazing.
I will be super, super pissed if they claimed they were donating money and they didn't. That's...that's a really shitty thing to do.
It is very like this 'movement' to use the classic 'Long Form Birth Certificate' argument of "prove this thing to us with receipts or your 100% a monster."
And then just assuming she's a monster anyway.
Even if she does come up with some kind of proof, most people will only see or remember the accusation, like with the Phil Fish thing.
And then just assuming she's a monster anyway.
Even if she does come up with some kind of proof, most people will only see or remember the accusation, like with the Phil Fish thing.
Reading about this shit is maddening. What are these people standing for? All I can tell is that have some targets they hate, and keep digging up new reasons to justify said hate. If one attack doesn't stick, they go from a different angle that's totally unrelated.
VibratingDonkey
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I'll wait for an answer from Zoe if she feels she has to, but the page says a portion of the proceeds goes to a specific organization. It may very well be that the game hasn't made a profit yet. People are sending money on a honour-based expectation that the creator will send a portion of the profits in the future. DWill she have to disclose what portion of that it is? Will she have to disclose and show proof of how much money in total she got from the game? How much did she spent on it? When will it suffice?
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