No, I have no idea what happened.
Is there any witness testimony before him getting shot? Like someone saying he did or didn't 'lunge' or whatever?
Can police just get those body cameras already so these kinds of discussion can be over.
Utah police shoot black man "lunging" w/ sword. Witnesses, autopsy say shot in back
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No, I have no idea what happened.
Is there any witness testimony before him getting shot? Like someone saying he did or didn't 'lunge' or whatever?
Can police just get those body cameras already so these kinds of discussion can be over.
Yea but is that justified because he's holding a sword? That's my question. Is there a fear for public safety and if that was presented in court would it be seen as justified?
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LOL are you serious?!!
anyways, fun perspective
Utah is an "open carry" state
the problem i guess, was that he was carrying the wrong weapon openly..
Well thats my initial thought but again, that sounds like standard police procedures. Shoot first, ask for compliance second and then sprinkle some crack if black.
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Show me where I'm racist
Casually labeling people racist should be ban worthy
It's not cool and I think it's worse than any insult that you can get banned for
About this case...
No not all the facts are present
Investigations are going under way now
Some witnesses said he looked calm
Some witnesses said he looked distraught
Some witnesses said he looked suspicious
The kid had emotional problems
IMO - too early to chastise these cops
Eh, you'd think they'd wrap that up or something but yea you could have a point there too.
What if there wasn't and the cops in this situation are just in the wrong here?
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Real katanas are like $5,000-$10,000. I've always thought they were really cool and wouldn't mind having one.
*edit* nvm for some reason I thought I read it was a katana, but it actually doesn't say what kind it was.
Then throw the book at them. Lock them away. It's already not looking good for them with conflicting evidence.
metalslimer
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Schattenjäger;130054919 said:
This guy.....
I don't give a shit if you are trying to support the cops or not(you are by the way), that shit happens in every thread when a black person is killed. My issue is you trying to chastise me for not being objective when I have done nothing but base my opinion on the facts put forth by the autopsy.
The only objectivity in question is yours because you are the one making up scenarios to support the police and their bullshit story. But by all means, carry on with your nonsense.
Yet you made up a scenario that absolved the police?
soundahfekz
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Funny how these 'theories' always end up supporting the cops.
This thread will go the same as others,
"We don't know the facts"
"Devil's advocate"
Enter Kharvey and Zoe with enough controversy
Bans dished out
Dudes releasing all that racist energy on the we hate neogaf reddit
Same shit different motherfucking day.
Fine, I'll leave the convo with you there then.
No I didn't. I'm not trying to justify them shooting him, I'm curious as to what the standard operating procedure is in a case like this. If someone attacks police with a weapon then starts to run away, is it in their training to try and shoot this person?
Besides the race issues, a lot of these police stories also seem to indicate the acceptability of police using excessive force too often.
That sword though. He must have been like some super samurai with a dehumanizing aura.
Well, you apparently can't buy fake guns in Walmart without getting shot either.
If you are the victim of racial profiling
Right or abuse of authority.
This is bullshit. The army is trained to kill. A cop is trained to "protect and serve". Are you telling us that a trained policeman cannot shoot someone on arm or leg to better perform his duties? Do we want cops only trained to kill? Might aswell arm them with AK 47 then.Schattenjäger;130050746 said:
Dehumanizing jutsu
It's not bullshit. Police are taught that as a last resort, they may discharge their sidearm, but if they do discharge it, they aim for the center mass. They do so because at that point deadly force is deemed necessary to ensure the safety of innocents or the officer himself/herself. - Source: My sister was shot to death by police.
Case like this? Where are you getting the information that he tried to attack the police then was shot while fleeing? They only said he lunged at him and then they shot him. They make no mention of him fleeing.
Schattenjäger
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From what I have learned (on this forum actually) ..
Cops are not trained to shoot at limbs
Cops are trained to shoot to kill
Maybe someone who knows better can answer
I always wondered that myself and kinda makes sense when you think about it .. This ain't like in the movies
I think both seem to be a problem in the US. Excessive force and then abuse of authority to get away with it.
I guess I was putting the two storoes together (the 'lunge' from police then the 'running away' from witnesses).
soundahfekz
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It's bullshit but it is true. They are trained to shoot to kill and they don't receive sufficient training to resolve conflicts nonviolently. That's why there's so much stories going around today of police brutality.
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Also, don't forget that according to the story this was a souvenir, i.e. fake sword with a rounded tip
When I was 16 I went to the mall. I walked around chatted up a few people from school and bought a video game. I stopped at a novelty shop before I left and they had a samurai sword on the wall. I asked the shop keep how much for the sword. $60 he told me. It was a waste of money in hindsight because I no longer have the sword but at the time I wanted it so I bought it. I walked through the mall with the sword and left the mall to catch my bus home. at the bus stop I unsheathed the sword to take a look at it. It was badass. I put it back in the sheath and got on the bus. I made it home that day.
TheRedSnifit
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If somebody attacked the police with a deadly weapon and then tried to flee with the weapon, I'd say that the police are justified in shooting him. After all, he'd already demonstrated a willingness to attack people, and he's armed.
The question is whether or not he actually attacked them at some point, and under what circumstances. And, of course, why the police are apparently lying about this.
It increases the chances of collateral damage, and if you can afford to risk missing half your shots you probably shouldn't be shooting in the first place.
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It says in the article, the sword was rounded ie nonlethal
Dude should have carried a gun instead, I guess.
Dude should have carried a gun instead, I guess.
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Schattenjäger;130058174 said:
No, I just don't have the same patience Jado has when it comes to wading through shit posts.
No I know exactly who I am responding to and I am clearly not the only person who sees you for what you are.
I for one am shocked that our local police are not medieval weaponry experts. You'd think that'd be taught at the academy.
I mean, there's a lot that stinks about this story, but I'm not going to hold cops responsible for knowing how lethal someone's sword is.
Murdering Police Defense Force, ho!
oh you again.
i am so shocked you're in here defending the cop who shot a black kid in the back.
Nope. I've read enough of your posts to know the kind of person you are.
it's literally the worst thing you can call someone!
Schattenjäger;130050746 said:
oh you again.
i am so shocked you're in here defending the cop who shot a black kid in the back.
Schattenjäger;130058174 said:
Nope. I've read enough of your posts to know the kind of person you are.
it's literally the worst thing you can call someone!
No, it's far worse than being called a nigger.
I would hold them responsible for shooting him to death though
hydragonwarrior
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More likely he had a bald spot with a threatening look.
Absolutely, if it's found that they acted inappropriately. Lying about when and how they shot him is pretty friggen inappropriate.
Schattenjäger
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Not defending anyone - just waiting for a full investigation before I make a judgement call
"This is consistent with statements made by witnesses on the scene, who report that Darrien was shot to death while running away from the police," Edwards said in a statement provided to the Los Angeles Times on Sunday. "It would appear difficult, if not impossible, to reconcile these facts with the story released by the Utah County Attorneys Office that Darrien was lunging toward the officers when he was shot. We continue to hope that a full investigation will reveal the whole truth about this tragedy."
Edwards declined to identify the pathologist who conducted the autopsy and didn't provide a copy of the report or further details about the findings.
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Hey you never know, even turned around he might have been preparing his Vertebral Cannon (this power can only be passed down through bloodlines)
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From the back?
They shot at him while he was fleeing. Very inappropriate I'll say
There is so much info missing from this news story to make any real valid conclusions one way or the other but I think people are getting the wrong impression by this part of the story. i have a feeling people are picturing like toy swords or something. I have a couple ornamental samurai swords myself and if they are similar to what the guy had by rounded they mean not super pointy but not like comedy effect rounded. It's not sharp but if you wanted to kill someone or hurt someone bad enough you could. I could stab someone with enough force with mine if I wanted to. i also really can't see anyone but some sword expert being able to spot the difference from any kind of distance.
Dreams-Visions
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I mean...
...I'll need to see a psychological report that demonstrates some form of mental illness or defect in order for me to believe a black man would lunge at multiple police officers...with a sword...with guns pointed at him.
Otherwise, I'm calling hot, smoking bullshit. It probably went down just like the kid that got killed for holding a BB gun while talking on the phone at a store. Fuck protecting people and being part of the community. Shoot first, ask questions after you've pumped in about 20 rounds.
...I'll need to see a psychological report that demonstrates some form of mental illness or defect in order for me to believe a black man would lunge at multiple police officers...with a sword...with guns pointed at him.
Otherwise, I'm calling hot, smoking bullshit. It probably went down just like the kid that got killed for holding a BB gun while talking on the phone at a store. Fuck protecting people and being part of the community. Shoot first, ask questions after you've pumped in about 20 rounds.
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It obviously wasn't a toy sword if the cop was willing to kill
a fleeing suspect (?)
over it
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