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[heyf00L]

It sounds to me like she was arrested because she wouldn't provide identification. Apparently that's the law in CA, although the court interpretations are quite confusing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes#Interpretation_by_courts

For some reason, Wikipedia doesn't consider CA a "stop and identify" state, tho.

 

[Funky Papa]

That may be a career deathblow.

Fully deserved if things are like they are looking now, IMO.

 

[BTM]

Here is just another lesson in waiting to hear both sides of the story before freaking out.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

This is really sad and messed up.

The reason why it's so messed up is obvious, but the reason why it's so sad is that every time actual stories of racism happen, the general populace's attitude moves slightly to seeing that racism really happens a lot (even if there is the usual outcry from some people).

But when things like this happen, it's like a massive fuel dose for those not willing to accept that racism really is a big issue. People who haven't really made up their mind but are still skeptical for whatever reason can easily be turned to the wrong side too by single stories like this. It's really sad.
This is of course a bit of a simplification, but that's how I largely see it.

As a warning, talking about moderation publicly isn't allowed. There's a reason for that. I'm not saying this to backseat mod, but to give you a fair warning.

You can and absolutely should PM to mods if you feel like talking about moderation. You can even PM to multiple mods if you feel like it. They will talk with you if you bother to talk with them. Plenty of people have done that when there's been controversial topics. Even Bish is happy to talk about moderation issues. Of course, that applies only if you PM to them and make your case well instead of screaming to them how the moderation is messed up. Mods do recognize that they're not perfect but just human and they make mistakes. They have also apologized at times.

If you take the passive aggressive stance that it would just be bad to PM them and instead choose to talk about their decisions here like that, it's very possible you'll just get banned.

I've been banned before for things I felt I shouldn't be banned for and I've emailed the support email I've seen Mods here recommend. Each time I typed out reasonable arguments laying out why I felt I shouldn't have been banned. Each time they've went ignored. I'm not wasting any more of my time trying to get their attention that way, all it's gotten me is ignored.

I appreciate your advice, but I've tried that way and it hasn't worked for me.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Unless s/he got banned for posting in another thread (Which I don't think is the case, unless s/he got banned in the Dangonropa thread.), it seemed like s/he was saying that people shouldn't judge until they had both sides of the situation while you jumped to conclusions.

In fact this:



was their last post before they got banned. I don't see how you could be any more sensible and objective. I also don't see how this thread is "Unrelated" considering it is the same thread they got banned in.

And PMing a Mod would be a complete waste of time. They were the ones who were unreasonable in the first place. I'm sure PMing them and telling them that they banned people for absolutely no reason will really do a lot of good.


This topic jumped to 14 pages in less then a day and a half. Check in at noon tomorrow and see if there is another 14 pages here. I'm sure everyone from the first 14 pages will be dying to come back and admit they were wrong. There will be some, but most of them will ignore this thread until it goes away and pretend like it never happened.

First of all I'm here and I admit it. But you know what's funny? You go on talking about people jumping to conclusions and disappearing when the facts come out yet time and time again I've seen the exact scenario play out where people say "Hey guys, let's wait for the facts to come out!" and continue to play devils advocate but disappear when all the facts do come out and don't support their agenda.

You waiting to hear all the facts isn't going to wipe away centuries of systematic and state endorsed prejudice and racism. So yeah, people jumped the gun this time but in the grand scheme of things so what? If it quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. It may not be a duck every time but people arent stupid when they assume it is.

But congrats to you! You get a gold star for being "fair and balanced!". You can wear it proudly for a few days. You can flaunt it around and reference that one time people were totally wrong and you were right for waiting. Meanwhile ... In America, black people continue to get treated like second class citizens, black people continue to get profiled, arrested, and imprisoned at an obscenely high rate compared to their white counterparts (even though they only make up 13% of the population and commit the same amount of crime as whites) and even killed without second thought and then blamed for their own demise.

But yeah, kudos to you for that one time you were totally right.

 

[freddy]

I'd have to agree there's a bit of a problem lately with people being piled on and sanctioned shitposting in order to stifle anyone who doesn't follow the flow of the thread and trying to get them banned. If people remember the topic called "off topic is a den of cunts" I think it's almost as bad or getting there again.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494772

Hopefully it gets looked into once more. Would love to see the forum stay a s a place for discussion and where well reasoned arguments are held in high esteem and not who can make the most facetious strawman joke to put someone else's opinion down.

 

[jorgeton]

Ugh. I hate that she embellished the story. Not a good look.

BUT

Things like this happen every day. For every one of these stories where the victim was playing up what actually happened, I'm sure there are dozens of cases of actual unlawful harassment to people of color by the police.

Just because this particular case wasn't as cut and dry as it initially looked, it doesn't mean that institutional racism isn't alive and well in the USA.

 

[DoktorEvil]

First of all I'm here and I admit it. But you know what's funny? You go on talking about people jumping to conclusions and disappearing when the facts come out yet time and time again I've seen the exact scenario play out where people say "Hey guys, let's wait for the facts to come out!" and continue to play devils advocate but disappear when all the facts do come out and don't support their agenda.

You waiting to hear all the facts isn't going to wipe away centuries of systematic and state endorsed prejudice and racism. So yeah, people jumped the gun this time but in the grand scheme of things so what? If it quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. It may not be a duck every time but people arent stupid when they assume it is.

But congrats to you! You get a gold star for being "fair and balanced!". You can wear it proudly for a few days. You can flaunt it around and reference that one time people were totally wrong and you were right for waiting. Meanwhile ... In America, black people continue to get treated like second class citizens, black people continue to get profiled, arrested, and imprisoned at an obscenely high rate compared to their white counterparts (even though they only make up 13% of the population and commit the same amount of crime as whites) and even killed without second thought and then blamed for their own demise.

But yeah, kudos to you for that one time you were totally right.

How is it any which way "racist" to wait for any story to reveal more facts before jumping to conclusions?

 

[Htown]

First of all I'm here and I admit it. But you know what's funny? You go on talking about people jumping to conclusions and disappearing when the facts come out yet time and time again I've seen the exact scenario play out where people say "Hey guys, let's wait for the facts to come out!" and continue to play devils advocate but disappear when all the facts do come out and don't support their agenda.

You waiting to hear all the facts isn't going to wipe away centuries of systematic and state endorsed prejudice and racism. So yeah, people jumped the gun this time but in the grand scheme of things so what? If it quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. It may not be a duck every time but people arent stupid when they assume it is.

But congrats to you! You get a gold star for being "fair and balanced!". You can wear it proudly for a few days. You can flaunt it around and reference that one time people were totally wrong and you were right for waiting. Meanwhile ... In America, black people continue to get treated like second class citizens, black people continue to get profiled, arrested, and imprisoned at an obscenely high rate compared to their white counterparts (even though they only make up 13% of the population and commit the same amount of crime as whites) and even killed without second thought and then blamed for their own demise.

But yeah, kudos to you for that one time you were totally right.

Damn.

 

[Calamari41]

Also, more to this: why would you acting like a dick to cops. Don't people want this to go down as smoothly as possible? It seems, from reading the posts here, that you can refuse to show your ID and refuse for them to search your car; but honestly; it looks suspicious as heck or feels like you just want to be a smartass. Legal or not.

I would just hand in my id, I don't give a damn; I'm not running from the law. Cops just want to scan it to see if you have unpaid tickets, warrants, stuff like that, it's just a security check. They don't know you, they have no idea, you could be some crazy criminal on the run. It's just a technical thing they have to do when they interact with you.

That's even how they caught the Later Days Saints leader who was on the run from the FBI and was on the top 10 most wanted. Cops randomly stopped his car after his bodyguard ran a traffic light and when they checked his ID, they found out it was him. I know its an extreme case, but it's just the kind of reasons why they check for this.

Why piss people off, why act like a smartass, just hand them your damn id, be neutral and cooperative.. Why start shit?

Given the fact that she immediately started talking about her publicist and asking for the cop's name in that context, to me it seems clear that she was itching to turn herself into a civil rights hero. Which is what was happening until this audio was released. That's why she did what she did.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

First of all I'm here and I admit it. But you know what's funny? You go on talking about people jumping to conclusions and disappearing when the facts come out yet time and time again I've seen the exact scenario play out where people say "Hey guys, let's wait for the facts to come out!" and continue to play devils advocate but disappear when all the facts do come out and don't support their agenda.

You waiting to hear all the facts isn't going to wipe away centuries of systematic and state endorsed prejudice and racism. So yeah, people jumped the gun this time but in the grand scheme of things so what? If it quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. It may not be a duck but people are stupid when they assume it is.

But congrats to you! You get a gold star for being "fair and balanced!". You can wear it proudly for a few days. You can flaunt it around and reference that one time people were totally wrong and you were right for waiting. Meanwhile ... In America, black people continue to get treated like second class citizens, black people continue to get profiled, arrested, and imprisoned at an obscenely high rate compared to their white counterparts (even though they only make up 13% of the population and commit the same amount of crime as whites) and even killed without second thought and then blamed for their own demise.

1) I said most, of course there will be some people coming in here admitting they were wrong. It's just that the majority won't. I also never said that the same wasn't true of people of people who wait and see and are wrong. The difference is that the people that do come back there get made fun of and quoted over and over talking about how they admitted it too late and should feel bad. Just because they aren't willing to believe a story with only hearing one side. The other difference is that none of the people who were shitting on their opinion of waiting and seeing are going to get banned for their remarks.

2) The problem isn't that they jumped the gun this time, the problem is that people here routinely jump the gun. Look at the front couple pages of this thread, see what some of the people are saying and tell me that it's not fucked up behavior to judge a person so quickly without the whole story. The first couple pages stunt discussion, and this is a discussion board.

3) Yes, I'm aware that black people are treated badly by police, but that doesn't mean that every situation should be automatically assumed that way. That's not how people should judge a situation. And they certainly shouldn't be mocked and put down for saying that it's a possibility that there was more to the story then is being told.

As far as your last remark, waiting for all of the evidence is out is the only way to be sure that you're right. So by not completely judging the situation and the people involved with a snap judgment based off limited information, I'm always going to be right, because I'm never going to sit there making judgments before I know all of the facts. I wait to see if something is fucked up until I have all of the information. You don't get a prize for saying something is wrong before I do, but you do have to come back and admit you were wrong when you jump to conclusions and misjudge people.

 

[Buzzati]

Mods should probably review those haphazard bannings. Seems pretty unfair.

 

[Infinite]

How is it any which way "racist" to wait for any story to reveal more facts before jumping to conclusions?

Where does he state that it is?

 

[Mononoke]

I'm glad I waited For the context for this story to make more sense.

She sounds like a complete snob the way she talked to those cops.

Does anyone else think those "cops are all racist assholes" posters are going to come back and read the TMZ report or just assume that Cops are going to always going to be racist assholes in every single story that gets posted in OT?

I'll admit I was wrong. I stated that there was nothing that should suggest she was a prostitute. But clearly I was wrong if she was having sex in public. So shame on me for making assumptions about something without waiting for proper context. I should know better.

But I acknowledge my failure so that I don't do it again. Although I never said all cops are racist assholes. In fact I've argued in the past that the majority of interactions with police and civilian on a daily basis does not end in violence or corruption (but then get the notallcops reply).

 

[Mesousa]

Fully deserved if things are like they are looking now, IMO.

Yeah but how awful is that husband/boyfriend of hers? Dude just let her fly off the handle and ruin her career without even trying to calm her down from the sound of it. He has to try harder in that situation.

 

[Dude Abides]

That cop is so snarky and detached. Lol. "Keep yelling, it really helps." Hipster cop.

 

[Earthpainting]

This is really sad and messed up.

The reason why it's so messed up is obvious, but the reason why it's so sad is that every time actual stories of racism happen, the general populace's attitude moves slightly to seeing that racism really happens a lot (even if there is the usual outcry from some people).

But when things like this happen, it's like a massive fuel dose for those not willing to accept that racism really is a big issue. People who haven't really made up their mind but are still skeptical for whatever reason can easily be turned to the wrong side too by single stories like this. It's really sad.
This is of course a bit of a simplification, but that's how I largely see it.

I feel the same way. It's good that more information came to light, but ultimately the conclusion saddens me. What should be a comforting relief feels hollow in the grand scheme of things, and worries me that it'll just serve as ammo for scepticism in cases that shouldn't deserve it. It's like those few instances of false rape accusations that contaminate minds and discussions. Even in the best possible outcome, they sadden me.

I guess it was a good reminder to not jump the gun on these matters.

 

[Funky Papa]

Yeah but how awful is that husband/boyfriend of hers? Dude just let her fly off the handle and ruin her career without even trying to calm her down from the sound of it. He has to try harder in that situation.

Absolute shit. But then again, it looks like they were made for each other. Didn't he take the pictures in question and even ran to Twitter as soon as it went down?

 

[Beerman462]

I'd have to agree there's a bit of a problem lately with people being piled on and sanctioned shitposting in order to stifle anyone who doesn't follow the flow of the thread and trying to get them banned. If people remember the topic called "off topic is a den of cunts" I think it's almost as bad or getting there again.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494772

Hopefully it gets looked into once more. Would love to see the forum stay a s a place for discussion and where well reasoned arguments are held in high esteem and not who can make the most facetious strawman joke to put someone else's opinion down.

I avoid a lot of threads because of this. Any comments that don't fall in line with how disgusting it is that "blank" happened or how fucked up x situation is. Is met with half the thread trying to dissect your comment. Trying to get people to lash out at other commenters to try and defend themselves. Its just not worth it.

 

[massoluk]

After having listened to the audio, I feel really bad for the first pages of this thread.

 

[Schattenjäger]

I avoid a lot of threads because of this. Any comments that don't fall in line with how disgusting it is that "blank" happened or how fucked up x situation is. Is met with half the thread trying to dissect your comment. Trying to get people to lash out at other commenters to try and defend themselves. Its just not worth it.

It's very sad..it really is hindering the discussion.. I thought this was a discussion board

 

[Calamari41]

It sounds to me like she was arrested because she wouldn't provide identification. Apparently that's the law in CA, although the court interpretations are quite confusing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes#Interpretation_by_courts

For some reason, Wikipedia doesn't consider CA a "stop and identify" state, tho.

From what I understand she wasn't randomly stopped and asked for ID. She was stopped and asked for ID because the police had received multiple calls reporting that she was fucking in broad daylight in a parking lot.

And she wasn't arrested. Again, from what I understand, she was put in cuffs because she straight up walked away from the cops while they were questioning her. You can't do that.

 

[richiek]

I guess if any good comes out of this, is that this would lead cops to support wearing cameras, as it can benefit them as much as the public.

 

[Mononoke]

I'm looking at those banned, and most of the posts don't really seem like they were intended for discussion. Rather they are quick commentary of the forum making assumptions. And while it's true people were making assumptions and jumping the gun, I don't see why they couldn't elaborate a bit more and explain why the situation might not be as it seems and that people shouldn't be making assumptions.

I'm not saying they deserved to be banned. Just that, I'm not seeing anyone that was making an actual argument get banned for making an argument contrary to the majority. Unless I missed it. Would appreciate a link.

 

[Vagabundo]

Given the fact that she immediately started talking about her publicist and asking for the cop's name in that context, to me it seems clear that she was itching to turn herself into a civil rights hero. Which is what was happening until this audio was released. That's why she did what she did.

You don't think black people have a right to be angry in the states?

She said in the first audio clip that the cops has been called before on her and her white boyfriend. That shit would make me damn angry.

I applaud her in sticking to her guns and not showing ID. That's not easy to do when you've got a couple of cops hassling you. It might not be the most sensible thing to do either in the US with how trigger happy cops around around people of colour.

They had fuck all except some randomer who called the cops. I would have been pissed in that situation and probably been less coherent, Why should she show her ID? What was the cop going to do if she didn't have one on her? He didn't even file a report after all that shit, it was just to make a point: you will respect my authority!

 

[DoktorEvil]

I'll admit I was wrong. I stated that there was nothing that should suggest she was a prostitute. But clearly I was wrong if she was having sex in public. So shame on me for making assumptions about something without waiting for proper context. I should know better.

But I acknowledge my failure so that I don't do it again. Although I never said all cops are racist assholes. In fact I've argued in the past that the majority of interactions with police and civilian on a daily basis does not end in violence or corruption (but then get the notallcops reply).

If anything, NeoGAF has made me much more aware of how important context is in any of these threads before reacting. Being banned twice for nasty or secondhand reactionary comments has made me cognizant of that fact.

Isn't that so unfair that any conversation where a discussion board discusses topics like race and class issues is met with one sided snarky comments like #notallcops?

I also don't like how posters have to go the "well it's implied..." when their argument fails to hold water. Arguments with implication are starting on shaky ground.

 

[Buzzati]

I'm looking at those banned, and most of the posts don't really seem like they were open to discussion. Rather they are quick commentary of the forum making assumptions. And while it's true people were making assumptions and jumping the gun, I don't see why they couldn't elaborate a bit more and explain why the situation might not be as it seems and that people shouldn't be making assumptions.

I'm not saying they deserved to be banned. Just that, I'm not seeing anyone that was making an actual argument get banned for making an argument contrary to the majority. Unless I missed it. Would appreciate a link.

In summary: They should not have gotten banned. The end.

 

[Infinite]

You guys should leave moderation discussion out of this thread. Not to backseat mod or anything but it's best of you PM a mod with your grievances. I'm sure things will be cleared up, what's the worse that can happen?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

1) I said most, of course there will be people coming in here admitting they were wrong. It's just the the majority won't. I also never said that the same wasn't true of people of people who wait and see and are wrong. The difference is that the people that do come back there get made fun of and quoted over and over talking about how they admitted it too late and should feel bad. Just because they aren't willing to believe a story with only hearing one side. The other difference is that none of the people who were shitting on their opinion of waiting and seeing are going to get banned for their remarks.

There's nothing inherently wrong with waiting and seeing both sides of the story. I actually applaud that. But that has been said so many times on this board (especially when clear racism is being reported by multiple parties) that it's become a bit of a meme.

There's nothing wrong with waiting and seeing but parading around this thread like you're some god of logic is not only offensive it's laughable.

2) The problem isn't that they jumped the gun this time, the problem is that people here routinely jump the gun. Look at the front couple pages of this thread, see what some of the people are saying and tell me that it's not fucked up behavior to judge a person so quickly without the whole story. The first couple pages stunt discussion, and this is a discussion board.

The irony!

Anyway, what I do see is this thread didn't interest you until the story changed.

3) Yes, I'm aware that black people are treated badly by police, but that doesn't mean that every situation should be automatically assumed that way. That's not how people should judge a situation. And they certainly shouldn't be mocked and put down for saying that it's a possibility that there was more to the story then is being told.

Well you've never lived while black.

edit: But yes, moving forward it would be great for everyone to be unbiased and have a clear head when discussing stories like this. The problem is it is a discussion board and stories often break before "all the facts come out". There is nothing wrong with initial impressions. 10 pages of "Let's wait and see" is not a discussion.

 

[Calamari41]

You don't think black people have a right to be angry in the states?

She said in the first audio clip that the cops has been called before on her and her white boyfriend. That shit would make me damn angry.

I applaud her in sticking to her guns and not showing ID. That's not easy to do when you've got a couple of cops hassling you. It might not be the most sensible thing to do either in the US with how trigger happy cops around around people of colour.

They had fuck all except some randomer who called the cops. I would have been pissed in that situation and probably been less coherent, Why should she show her ID? What was the cop going to do if she didn't have one on her? He didn't even file a report after all that shit, it was just to make a point: you will respect my authority!

You aren't allowed to fuck in a busy parking lot.

And it wasn't "some randomer." They had received multiple calls, apparently. When different people are calling you and telling you that the same thing is going down, that increases the credibility of the situation and warrants investigation.

 

[Buzzati]

You don't think black people have a right to be angry in the states?

She said in the first audio clip that the cops has been called before on her and her white boyfriend. That shit would make me damn angry.

I applaud her in sticking to her guns and not showing ID. That's not easy to do when you've got a couple of cops hassling you. It might not be the most sensible thing to do either in the US with how trigger happy cops around around people of colour.

They had fuck all except some randomer who called the cops. I would have been pissed in that situation and probably been less coherent, Why should she show her ID? What was the cop going to do if she didn't have one on her? He didn't even file a report after all that shit, it was just to make a point: you will respect my authority!

https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/your-rights-and-police Police has a right to investigate communal complaints.

 

[Mononoke]

If anything, NeoGAF has made me much more aware of how important context is in any of these threads before reacting. Being banned twice for nasty or secondhand reactionary comments has made me cognizant of that fact.

Isn't that so unfair that any conversation where a discussion board discusses topics like race and class issues is met with one sided snarky comments like #notallcops?

I also don't like how posters have to go the "well it's implied..." when their argument fails to hold water. Arguments with implication are starting on shaky ground.

I've yet to be banned, and I have no issue arguing against the majority. But I always go out of my way to write lengthy replies and make an argument (I don't think one should have to do this to avoid a ban). But I can agree that, maybe mods are too quick to ban certain people in some situations where they think they are being insensitive. But I also don't think that, people should be able to be snarky or dismissive just because their position is "just" (ie. they are fighting for a good cause).

People keep saying this is a discussion forum. However, I think the problem you always face is that sometimes people don't discuss but rather react. It seems in this case, those that were banned were reacting to the forum reacting to a news story. I didn't see much discussion going on.

 

[otapnam]

You don't think black people have a right to be angry in the states?

She said in the first audio clip that the cops has been called before on her and her white boyfriend. That shit would make me damn angry.

I applaud her in sticking to her guns and not showing ID. That's not easy to do when you've got a couple of cops hassling you. It might not be the most sensible thing to do either in the US with how trigger happy cops around around people of colour.

They had fuck all except some randomer who called the cops. I would have been pissed in that situation and probably been less coherent, Why should she show her ID? What was the cop going to do if she didn't have one on her? He didn't even file a report after all that shit, it was just to make a point: you will respect my authority!

Maybe the cops wouldn't be called on her n her bf if they didnt do things like fuck in broad daylight with the door open in the middle of studio city offices.

 

[Vagabundo]

You aren't allowed to fuck in a busy parking lot.

They arrested and charged her and her boyfriend then? What did the cops do except ask for ID?

https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/your-rights-and-police Police has a right to investigate communal complaints.

Sure they do, but what investigation did they do?

The cop himself said at the start of the whole thing that that only reason they were still there was because of the ID issue. We would have been gone 15 minutes ago, or something to that effect.

Maybe the cops wouldn't be called on her n her bf if they didnt do things like fuck in broad daylight with the door open in the middle of studio city offices.

I assume its a crime? Charge them. What exactly did the cops do other that stand around with their dicks in their hands? If they weren't going to charge anyone, and weren't going to file a report surely there is something better they could be doing?

 

[Infinite]

https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/your-rights-and-police Police has a right to investigate communal complaints.

Well here's the thing the police can only detain or arrest you of you're under suspicion for doing a criminal act. If they ask you for ID without indentifing themselves and telling you what you under suspicion for you can legally opt not to show ID. In this case we now know the police had a reason to question them.

 

[Buzzati]

Well here's the thing the police can only detain or arrest you of you're under suspicion for doing a criminal act. If they ask you for ID without indentifing themselves and telling you what you under suspicion for you can legally opt not to show ID. In this case we now know the police had a reason to question them.

They most certainly did tell her what she was under suspicion for.

 

[Infinite]

They most certainly did tell her what she was under suspicion for.

I didn't say they didn't, dude.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

There's nothing inherently wrong with waiting and seeing both sides of the story. I actually applaud that. But that has been said so many times on this board (especially when clear racism is being reported by multiple parties) that it's become a bit of a meme.

There's nothing wrong with waiting and seeing but parading around this thread like you're some god of logic is not only offensive it's laughable.



The irony!

Anyway, what I do see is this thread didn't interest you until the story changed.



Well you've never lived while black.

edit: But yes, moving forward it would be great for everyone to be unbiased and have a clear head when discussing stories like this. The problem is it is a discussion board and stories often break before "all the facts come out". There is nothing wrong with initial impressions. 10 pages of "Let's wait and see" is not a discussion.

1) If you post here it seems like people have a huge problem with waiting and seeing before judging a situation. In fact, I picked out a couple people who just got banned for doing just that. I also don't know how you could judge who is using waiting and seeing as a meme and who is waiting and seeing because they think that you shouldn't judge a situation without all of the information.

2) I wasn't in the thread because it was toxic. People who shared my opinion got banned in the first couple pages for having essentially the same opinions I have. I wasn't in here because I know how to not get banned (Even though I'm sure at this point I'm probably at the point to where someone is thinking about banning me anyway, but those bannings in the first few pages were bullshit and it seems like this board becomes less and less open to discussion).

3) Then maybe people shouldn't be allowed to discuss things before the whole story comes out if they can't do it reasonably. It's not just people voicing their opinions, it's people putting down other people just because they don't agree with them on their half informed opinion of the situation based off limited information.

 

[Mononoke]

They most certainly did tell her what she was under suspicion for.

Just to be clear, Police usually withold certain information from the public for x amount of time, because it could impact the case right? I've heard people suggest that if the cops had a camera on them, then this could have been avoided. But even if they did have this all on footage, it wouldn't change the fact that this information wouldn't be passed on to the public until x amount of days later.

I guess that's why you can't make assumptions until everything is out in the open.

 

[Buzzati]

I didn't say they didn't, dude.

I don't understand the point of your post then.

 

[Infinite]

I don't understand the point of your post then.

You can legally opt not show ID had that not been the case in the state of California.

 

[Slayer-33]

Welp things have definitely changed after the whole story

 

[Buzzati]

You can legally opt not show ID had that not been the case in the state of California.

...So what are you replying to? I still am confused here. I said that she has to show ID. You said she has to show ID. And here we are.

 

[otapnam]

They arrested and charged her and her boyfriend then? What did the cops do except ask for ID?



Sure they do, but what investigation did they do?

The cop himself said at the start of the whole thing that that only reason they were still there was because of the ID issue. We would have been gone 15 minutes ago, or something to that effect.



I assume its a crime? Charge them. What exactly did the cops do other that stand around with their dicks in their hands? If they weren't going to charge anyone, and weren't going to file a report surely there is something better they could be doing?

Someone reported them. It's their duty to check. Since they were done fucking, the police probably decided to just ask a few questions n check id - Since they were responding to a call.

You're supposed to provide id in California, and in this case, they had actually been committing a lewd act. If the witness accounts are true, the cops were responding to a proper call and doing their job. Whats the issue?

 

[King Cobra]

Welp things have definitely changed after the whole story

That's how click bait threads tend to play out. It's always about race first, facts second.

 

[Infinite]

...So what are you replying to? I still am confused here. I said that she has to show ID. You said she has to show ID. And here we are.

I was adding on to what you were saying by further clarifying it so people won't get misconstrued about when should you identify yourself. I wasn't in contention with what you said and I'm not picking a fight.

 

[Buzzati]

I was adding on to what you were saying by further clarifying it so people won't get misconstrued about when should you identify yourself. I wasn't in contention with what you said and I'm not picking a fight.

Ahh, gotcha.

 

[Calamari41]

They arrested and charged her and her boyfriend then? What did the cops do except ask for ID?

That's all the cops usually do during stops like this. I've seen them happen many times before, to all races. They ask you for your ID (I'm pretty sure its SOP in a case like this), ask you whats going on, tell you to cut it out, and leave. That's probably what was happening here until she started throwing a tantrum and walked away from the cops, who were legally detaining her. You also can't do that. As for why they ask for ID, you'll have to look it up or ask someone else. I would imagine a possible reason is so that they know if this is the fifth time that they've had to come out to ask a person to stop fucking in broad daylight in public. At that point it becomes more than a "cut it out you guys" situation.

I'm not sure where you're going with this. There is a huge spectrum on the "police interaction" scale between saying "hello" to a passing officer and getting arrested and charged.

I was adding on to what you were saying by further clarifying it so people won't get misconstrued about when should you identify yourself. I wasn't in contention with what you said and I'm not picking a fight.

I think it was the "Well here's the thing" part that threw some of us off.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

1) If you post here it seems like people have a huge problem with waiting and seeing before judging a situation. In fact, I picked out a couple people who just got banned for doing just that. I also don't know how you could judge who is using waiting and seeing as a meme and who is waiting and seeing because they think that you shouldn't judge a situation without all of the information.

2) I wasn't in the thread because it was toxic. People who shared my opinion got banned in the first couple pages for having essentially the same opinions I have. I wasn't in here because I know how to not get banned (Even though I'm sure at this point I'm probably at the point to where someone is thinking about banning me anyway, but those bannings in the first few pages were bullshit and it seems like this board becomes less and less open to discussion).

3) Then maybe people shouldn't be allowed to discuss things before the whole story comes out if they can't do it reasonably. It's not just people voicing their opinions, it's people putting down other people just because they don't agree with them on their half informed opinion of the situation based off limited information.

No one got banned for waiting and seeing. Stop acting like you're being persecuted. You're not, and no one's a martyr for the wait and see cause. People got banned for "victim" blaming. If you can find me a member who was banned for simply saying "lets wait and see" I'll concede. I've been in more than enough threads like this and no one has ever been banned for saying let's wait and see. You're not being persecuted so stop with the act.

Sorian got banned because he kept saying she should have shown her ID under the circumstances that we were told and saying it was her fault. Which she shouldn't have and it wouldnt have been if that were true. It would be the same if someone falsely claimed a white guy called him the N-word and Sorian said "Well were you acting like one?" Yeah, the story is false, but the response to the circumstance is what got him banned.

As far as discussions go plenty of people voice counter opinions in highly emotional threads without being banned. Take a look in the Michael Brown thread or the Trayvon Martin thread from last year.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

That may be a career deathblow.

Or another type of blow, if ya know what I mean. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.