WrenchNinja
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I've been trying to word this the right way the last couple of days, but yup, this is what I keep seeing.
Destiny's Raid, 'Vault of Glass' is now available to play. Hardest challenge yet.
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Yup, I just want to experience the content to some degree. I don't care about a super hardcore experience.
I'm saying they're the same in that regard.
Main difference is, IMO, Destiny has well crafted combat.
ffejeromdiks
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Give it another two weeks and it will become calm, I agree though, it's immensely annoying, it's sad how many people these days just regurgitate whatever popular streamer or youtube personality they happen to fancy.
This. I'm a pretty mediocre player on FPS, but in less than a week (I bought the game on thursday) I'm already on level 24. It's very easy leveling up so stop crying like babies.
In fact, I'm pretty sure most of the trolls don't have the game, so nobody cares what you think about a game you don't own or you stopped playing because you didn't like it.
Sodding_Gamer
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So Destiny, one of the biggest games this year, shouldn't have a matchmaking mode for casuals to experience the Raid?
I've got loads of friends who rarely buy games but have bought Destiny and would love to give the Raids a go, but probably never will because of zero matchmaking.
Sorry WOW is pretty hardcore, Destiny isn't and is catered to all console players, casuals included.
Relaxed Muscle
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If you don't want to hear negative opinions about your beloved software, there's always the OT.
Yeah i don't see how the last one is possible. One slip up and you are dead. Now that some of the people know what they are doing, they still mess up cause they die too much.
Camp Freddie
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Quick question:
Do we know if Raid progress is saved only for your exact fireteam?
Or can you switch a player for another one that has also reached the same save point?
Because finding the exact same 5 people is going to be extremely hard unless you know them in real life.
Finding 5 other people who have reached the Raid area 3 checkpoint is a lot easier (e.g. recruiting from DestinyGAF or whatever).
I'm not sure how this works in strikes/missions either. I think the missions are based on the fireteam leader's checkpoint and everyone else is started at that point. I'm pretty sure I skipped half a moon mission this way.
Do we know if Raid progress is saved only for your exact fireteam?
Or can you switch a player for another one that has also reached the same save point?
Because finding the exact same 5 people is going to be extremely hard unless you know them in real life.
Finding 5 other people who have reached the Raid area 3 checkpoint is a lot easier (e.g. recruiting from DestinyGAF or whatever).
I'm not sure how this works in strikes/missions either. I think the missions are based on the fireteam leader's checkpoint and everyone else is started at that point. I'm pretty sure I skipped half a moon mission this way.
pokeystaples
Banned
Should be easier once everyone is a level 28. At least I think it will be. LOL.
I thought the complete a strike without anyone dying trophy would be hard, but we gotter done.
NemesisPrime
Banned
And that, gasp, is why a lot of people play games.
I'm pretty sure those achievements will become less insane once you outlevel the content
Well.....
Considering that no one has succeeded yet I'm not sure.
How can you say it is possible with randoms when dedicated groups can't even figure it out yet?
Stone Ocean
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You mean like the official thread?
Shocking I know, but maybe if you want to talk about enjoying Destiny you can just talk with other people enjoying Destiny? What's it to you if people that are not playing with you are talking badly about your game? Why do you give a shit about what we think?
Gentleman Jack
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WoW has had these types of achievements before. There are people who will earn them, but not week 1 of the content. It's just something to achieve once it's on farm status and you're looking for that extra bit of challenge.
Ramocalypse
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This may be the most awesomely dickish generalization I've ever seen...
BlackBanditSho
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How does this work exactly? You're playing and you see some random person in the distance in the middle of a firefight? You shoot the Vandal attacking him and then immediately join his fire team? Why would you do that again without communicating with him again? You haven't gotten the chance to really meet this person.
How is this ideal again?
Rodney McKay
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I find it immensely annoying and sad when people these days discount other people opinions because they are different than their own.
People are capable of having their own opinions on games without it being a regurgitation of others' opinions. Their view of the game is no more valid, correct, or important than your own, and you are doing a disservice to yourself by treating them as such.
Not really, maybe a bunch of no-lifers and crazy people. Most of the community welcome the change they've done to accessibility. Even Blizzard acknowledge that mistake back in vanilla, they said only like 3% of the player base got to the original naxxramas, which was like.. Why are we even doing content people can't see?
I predict the same problem for Destiny or even worst, there is no text chat, voice proximity... there is no real way to create a community in a game suppose to be build for team work challenges, only a real small percentage of the community is going to experience these raids, let alone finishing them. A game build on elitism the night club's VIP version of a video game, it is just not morally disgusting, it is also not fun.
Do baffles me Bugie is doing the same mistakes Blizzard did with D3 and WOW vanilla, if there is a company at this point that knows how to make a loot game is Blizzard. Seems like Bungie learn ZERO lessons from their sister studio.
What? I said "or". Not "and".
Did you read the multiple times I wrote this isn't ideal?
What I wrote was that it works in spite of the lack if features. For example: Play a strike with MM and add the good players. Then message them and ask to do more content.
It's not exactly difficult.
How do you actually "meet"? By saying hi? Sending a message? I've friended a bunch of peeps from just running strikes with them and dancing after we beat the boss lol. I've even added people through going thru my recent players.
It's not that hard to get people to play with. It might be hard to get 6 people that are dedicated to meet up and grind thru the raid initially tho.
HawksWinStanley
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I've been watching a stream for about 30 minutes and all I've seen them do is camp behind pillars and shoot a Megatron-looking thing in the dick. Them arguing has been pretty entertaining though.
We don't give a shit.
BUT in a thread like this, when we would like to see opinions, strategies and tips... we see A LOT of garbage from trolls who didn't buy the game or they didn't like it and will never play a raid.
start one.
Ken Masters
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Did destiny?
Gentleman Jack
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Looks like they're rotating people in and out of the streamerhouse attempts. Doesn't seem like a recipe for success.
It's also really weird that they've been attempting this without everyone commed up.
It's also really weird that they've been attempting this without everyone commed up.
TrojanBlade
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The F is this? That's a ridiculous expectation from most who don't have 5 friends and who can all be available at the same time. Is Bungie fixing this shit??
Fix this shit Bungie!!!
So...then its best to just leave fireteams open?
NullPointer
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Except it's been said thousands of times in other threads. By the same people.
Agreed. Quoted twice for mothafuckin TRUTH.
I'm on the west coast and have adult responsibilities. I don't have a set gaming schedule. My east coast friends can't play as late as me, nor can my midwest friends. That only leaves a couple of people in my same time zone and they have families and responsibilities too.
If you want to talk about how easy it is to meet up with other GAF members to play these things, just stop in the thread for The Last Of Us Official GAF Tournament and you'll see that its taken well over a month for that thing to play out and its still not complete. This is due to the difficulty of dealing with conflicting schedules.
Its annoying to basically be told that if I want to play part of this game, I need to fully dedicate time to it and put aside everything else. Thats some Taco Bell eating, Mtn Dew chugging "GAM3R" bullshit. Let me go at it with randoms and get my ass handed to me. I'd rather have the option to get hammered than be told I'm not "1337" enough.
Our fireteam made it to the to the encounter just past the Gorgon Maze. Overall I am more than pleased with this first raid and I haven't even completed it yet.
Also, bungie absolutely made the right choice for no matchmaking with raids if this is the difficulty they are going to be tuned at. If you disagree just wait till you are in there and you will understand in the first 5 minutes.
Also, bungie absolutely made the right choice for no matchmaking with raids if this is the difficulty they are going to be tuned at. If you disagree just wait till you are in there and you will understand in the first 5 minutes.
TheCanisDirus
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I didn't have the heart to post this. Glad you did lol
Stone Ocean
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Again, if you want to talk about strategies and the like, the OT is right over there.
Thread whining isn't going to get you to change people's minds.
MADGAME
Member
This is funny because it's true.
I always do but you can friend or msg people even if they dont have it open from recent players on X1. If you're in a strike you're auto'd in a fireteam anyway I believe.
Netherscourge
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Hopefully Bungie adds a matchmaking Raid tier, ala LFR from World of Warcraft, and people like me will be interested.
Going from casual, soloable content to Hardcore, High Item Threshold, Friends-List-only Raids with literally NOTHING in between is a flashback to the "HITTING THE WALL" that turned people off to WoW back in the day (and Everquest for that matter).
You can't leave casual fans with nothing to do at level 26. The age-old MMO mistake of making content that only 10% of the playerbase will ever experience should not be repeated.
Blizzard learned and adjusted. Hopefully Bungie will too.
Going from casual, soloable content to Hardcore, High Item Threshold, Friends-List-only Raids with literally NOTHING in between is a flashback to the "HITTING THE WALL" that turned people off to WoW back in the day (and Everquest for that matter).
You can't leave casual fans with nothing to do at level 26. The age-old MMO mistake of making content that only 10% of the playerbase will ever experience should not be repeated.
Blizzard learned and adjusted. Hopefully Bungie will too.
RiccochetJ
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Looks like a raid all right. I haven't raided since vanilla WoW and watching this stream is bringing back a lot of memories.
It would take weeks between getting certain bosses on farm and then face planting on the next section for a bit.
I think It's going to be a grind for a lot of people before they are able to fully clear the whole raid.
It would take weeks between getting certain bosses on farm and then face planting on the next section for a bit.
I think It's going to be a grind for a lot of people before they are able to fully clear the whole raid.
Duxxy3
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Bungie is just looking out for the 5% of destiny players that will raid. They want it to remain exclusive to them.
How is that different from other MMO bosses, or bosses in general, they have huge health pools for the last 30 years!
Ya this fight is a total gear check. There are a few "mechanics" but nothing much.
There are plenty of bosses that have complex mechanics and that aren't just gear checks in fact most bosses in wow when they are killed first are killed by raids that have shitty gear.
I try to stay away from threads of games I don't like or at least won't post in them, but the communication issues the raid is built on are why I dropped my pre-order.
After the beta there were as many threads about said issues as there were circle jerk threads, but the negative ones kept getting closed as people would run in to remind the complainers it was just a beta, which would always devolve into shit posting.
I and others are probably just hoping that if we talk enough about our issues with it now, bungee will listen in the early days before everything settles down and the community is literally the 5% who get to do the raids.
I really want the game and I recognize the fun gameplay loop, but I'd like to do more than go in circles and the only way to get to do that is let bungee know I don't want it.
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