Destiny's Raid, 'Vault of Glass' is now available to play. Hardest challenge yet.
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The devs complained the reviews didn't wait for the raid, which suggests they want everyone to do it, but have specifically designed for this not to happen. So which is it? Especially when the point of pve is to build your character up for the raid. Why even have levels tied to grinding for gear then?
The raid is supposed to be something to work toward. It's endgame.
So Story mode, Strikes, Crucible, Patrol modes are not modes that you can access and have fun in ?
I am 200% behind Bungie when it comes to no matchmaking for raids.
There are only two quibbles that make this problematic for players in the current version of the game. The game doesn't make it easy to make friends due to it's lack of proximity voice chat and in-game text messaging. If people could communicate easier with each other, they could in turn make friends easier to later raid with. There is nothing to collaborate with other people other than for killing stuff. Without trading, crafting or service scenarios (i.e. "looking for res, or teleport to X, will pay"), there is no incentive for players to socialize. A Tower bulletin board would be awesome for people requesting services as well. It would be a more elegant way of doing a "looking for" chat window.
Are you sure we're watching the same streams? The first fight alone has more mechanics than the rest of the bosses in the game combined. Maybe you missed something?
It completely does, though. Farm Skywatch or the Nexus for a few hours, and then spend some time leveling your armor and boom, you're 26. You can fill holes with vendor-bought gear. Getting enough marks to buy what you need to raid is only a matter of time, even if you're the most unlucky motherfucker on the planet.
What is the argument about, then? No LFG channel? That I can agree with - there should be an end-game hub for raiders and people looking for Nightfall groups - maybe gate it to level 26 and above only or something. There also needs to be open chat in matchmade Fireteams, but I'm sure that's something Bungie is working on
Classic entitled casual argument. Just because you can't dedicate the time means that people looking for meaningful difficulty should get fucked out of a good time?
If you're level 26, you've already played the game for more than 30 hours. I'd say that's a pretty good value for your $60 compared to many games that come out nowadays. If it's THAT big of a deal, why not just... move on? Why do you HAVE to see every last little bit of the game?
It saves your raid progress for a week. The raid is forever.
LyleLanley
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I think you have to finish it within a week before it resets itself.
Adding some sort of easy/matchmaking option wouldn't fuck anyone out of a good time.
BlackBanditSho
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Missed your earlier posts. You're right. It's not ideal. My bad.
Yeah, I'm starting to realize that I'm showing my age. What's illustrated here as social interaction doesn't work for me. This might very well be a generational gap.
The only time I danced in the game was because I was in the Tower and thought that I could initiate communication with another person who I saw dancing by dancing with him. This was before I discovered that chat was impossible.
The idea of going to the main city hub and socializing, or being out in the wild playing, assisting in a random battle, and chatting/befriending/vetting the person you just helped might be a social/intimacy thing that is completely unnecessary for modern gamers. As I was typing this, it just hit me that I might be yelling into a vacuum. That the reason this hasn't been part of Bungie's design, is because it might be a relic of a bygone social structure.
Feeling old.
Teletraan1
Banned
So this game is missing all of the features implemented to WoW years after it was launched. Even if this is not an MMO its funny to see people clamoring for all of the QOL improvements that were implemented over a decade in WoW. It happens to every MMO launch, why isn't feature XYZ in this game? WoW had it implemented year 7. Why is this not in at launch? I am sure this game is pretty bare bones right now and that is a shame but this phenomena is not uncommon.
I believe your progress resets after a week.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
End game would be lvl 20. Not fucking lvl 26.
Stone Ocean
Member
What is that even supposed to mean?
So people should just accept not being able to play part of the game and be happy with what they can play? lol
ethomaz
Banned
If you don't like the random you can buy Legendary gears with Vangard or Factions Marks.
If you want to be part then play the game and get there.
.......huh?
Why would somebody buy a game with content that they wouldn't be able to play if it bothers them..?
Tranqueris
Banned
When the level 20-28 content is the same as the content you played to get to level 20, but with more hit points for bosses, then something like the raid stops being "just one small part of the game."
It's a Raid. It has not been designed to be "easy." That's the whole point.
My problem is that all the PvE content you've listed here has encounters that are extremely uninteresting both mechanically and tactically. All the bosses boil down to "shoot the boss, get in cover when the boss shoots you, deal with the adds". The raid bosses look like they might actually be interesting fights. So it really sucks if "interesting fights" are limited to a specific mode for people with a very specific play style.
marianitten
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Yeah but there is a huge leap between the final game and "the endgame". I've played WoW in the WOTLK but gearing up for the first tier of raids wasn't that hard. Heroic Dungeons gave you gear for the raid. Then That raid gave you gear for the very next Raid. And repeat.
The same with FFXIV, after the final part of the Campaing(Wich is a couple of Raids) you start dungeons in hard mode. That helped you to get gear for the next tier of dungeons/raids. And repeat. I didn't need to grind basic content for that.
I think the should release a "easy" version of the raid, for lvl 20-26, to gear up for the "real Raid", lvl 26.
Tomeru
Member
Sorry, but what part of his post was wrong regarding today's mmos?
Level 20 is the start of the grind.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I'd say it's more accurate to say that *everyone* lazes their way up to level 26, since difficulty of content doesn't actually play a role in determining loot.
Why do you say end game is level 20?
Level 24 Strikes absolutely reward better blues then the other tiers of strikes. Also the daily/weekly/nightfall reward with things that with help your light/gear progression as well.
Except for all the people in this thread that have been and still are crying about matchmaking and matchmaking alone, because that's the hysterical mass narrative they've latched themselves on to. Matchmaking is a staple feature of the casual theme park MMO, so why wouldn't it be in Destiny!?
My favorite response to this revelation so far is anyone saying, "well Bungie should put in matchmaking anyways, who cares if it's impossible" What a way to save face after getting up in arms over something so dumb.
na, the game just isn't very good.
How does it ruin the game for hardcores to have difficulty levels of the same raid? WOW, D3, most of the decently made loot games out there have this. Works well for everybody.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I think this is the point. People were hoping for something that would give them a reason to stick with the game after hitting that point. The raid is supposed to be the goal you work towards with all the grinding. It's understandable that they'd want to be able to play it.
LyleLanley
Banned
It doesn't have to be too easy, but a mode easy enough for a matchmaking group to be able to eventually beat would be nice. I don't understand why raids have to be extremely hard and designed to be played by only the most hardcore of players.
Then go play something else?
What's wrong with the argument that an MMO shouldn't be inclusive? How about everything? And the worlds best and biggest MMO found a way years ago to include everyone into raids, and guess what? It doesn't require you to go to forums outside of the game to beg for people to run a raid with you. Heck it doesn't even make you search for people within the game to run it with you. It's called matchmaking, and it works. Yes the loot rewards are less because the difficulty is lowered for random-based raids, but still anyone who wants to see the content gets to see it.
Thats the thing though kid, some of us did.
FaintDeftone
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For this style of game, bullet-sponge enemies just aren't interesting to me. Like, when gunplay, gear AND character level progression aren't enough to make individual encounters go reasonably fast, I just don't find it interesting. I honestly think it's a case of poor craftsmanship; from what I'm seeing here, they didn't test it enough. A team like this with the skill and gear involved shouldn't be wiping over and over like this.
eot
Banned
How about several progressively harder raids instead?
TheCanisDirus
Member
This exactly (as far as end-game). There is nothing at all in place and this is what, 6+ years of work? If the end-game portion of Destiny is the meat and bones of their vision... it's inexcusable for them not to have a better path to it (4 maps to grind and a crap loot system) and foundation for social integration related to it. A fleshed out hub for 20+ guardians would be a great start!
"Fun" is a strong wrong for those modes IMO. Either way Bungie themselves are saying raids are suppose to be the best thing about Destiny, they been hyping the endgame since forever, so... Seems kinda shitty of them to lock out said content to most of their paying costumers.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Same way some people apparently thinks lvl 26 is.
Look I dont give a shit about which level it is on the point is I have already invested almost 17hr and I am on lvl 21. And its damn hard to lvl up after 20. I am assuming 17more hr until I get to lvl 26? How can you expect people to have invested 35hr+ in the game within a week?
The Blackrose
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Matchmaking is not the answer to getting into the Vault of Glass. If I had to run that with 5 other bad players with no level of communication, like I already do with random Strikes, I'd much rather sit in the Tower and dance all day. Especially since Vault of Glass is technically progression content as of right now. It's comparable to when they're going to add Titan EX to Party Finder in FFXIV's near future.
If anything, Bungie needs to get more robust in their means to communicate. If I can't rope 5 friends or clanmates into VoG, I have to find a way to communicate with the public at large. From there, I have to be able to hone in on people I would like to think are competent, invite them, and start building some sort of static. I currently cannot do that with the tools Bungie provides. Even if you belong to a clan or group, you have no means of contacting them within game unless they are on your friends list. This means needing to be beside a second terminal in order to get on bungie.net to talk to whoever is online.
This current scheme does not work.
If people want to get angry over no matchmaking, it should be over the Weekly Strike. That's a load of hogwash.
If anything, Bungie needs to get more robust in their means to communicate. If I can't rope 5 friends or clanmates into VoG, I have to find a way to communicate with the public at large. From there, I have to be able to hone in on people I would like to think are competent, invite them, and start building some sort of static. I currently cannot do that with the tools Bungie provides. Even if you belong to a clan or group, you have no means of contacting them within game unless they are on your friends list. This means needing to be beside a second terminal in order to get on bungie.net to talk to whoever is online.
This current scheme does not work.
If people want to get angry over no matchmaking, it should be over the Weekly Strike. That's a load of hogwash.
Netherscourge
Banned
this is a concentrated effort as attested to by many people in this thread. It's literally impossible to find someone who just casually leveled to 26. You even mentioned farming as if that is something a casual is going to do.
This is dumb, stop arguing against consumers rights. If I bought the game, I shouldn't be arbitrarily restricted because of a terrible design decision when the devs invented solutions to the very problems I have.
Brerlappin
Member
I don't get why people are against matchmaking for raids. So maybe you can get a group of 6 friends arranged to do the raid, well good for you. Enjoy it. But its not gonna hamper your enjoyment if people who cant arrange several hours out of a busy week to play a fuckin videogame are allowed matchmake up a half assed raid. Yeah they'll likely fuck it up, but at least they'll get to access content they paid for.
Theres absolutely no reason for no matchmaking. So I cant get a bunch of people all on voice comms with hours to spare, at least give me the option to attempt and fail at content ive paid fucking money for. Ive paid for it, ill play it as I please
Theres absolutely no reason for no matchmaking. So I cant get a bunch of people all on voice comms with hours to spare, at least give me the option to attempt and fail at content ive paid fucking money for. Ive paid for it, ill play it as I please
Because the game designers wanted it that way.
There is nothing wrong with wanting matchmaking for the raid. It doesn't make it ez mode in fact it will go a lot like WoW raids did back in the day when people tried to make random groups, they failed hard and disbanded BUT I don't see why you would be bothered by the option being there or people wanting it. It has ZERO impact on the difficulty.
marianitten
Banned
What game are you talking about? For example Guild Wars 2 doesn't have MM.. There is something like a bulletin board where you find people who want to make the same content as you. No autogroup, no auto teleport. Just start the group and move on.
That is all we need. We are asking MM because it's already there. Just need some tweaks because, honestly, is not just put random people in the same fireteam. There should be gear check, raid state check, etc.
Considering that this game have ZERO social features is seems easier to implement matchmaking than revamping the communication system.
Now it's consumer rights to have the difficulty lowered to their personal level. HAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Just don't buy the game if it isn't for you. Holy shit.
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