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I'm selling my 5S and jumping on the 6. Basically eating the early upgrade penalty but I really want the bigger screen and using the money I was going to use towards a new iPad towards the Plus.
First iPhone 6/6 Plus Reviews
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I'm selling my 5S and jumping on the 6. Basically eating the early upgrade penalty but I really want the bigger screen and using the money I was going to use towards a new iPad towards the Plus.
scoobs
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Don't put words in my mouth... I'm not ignoring the reviews I'm disagreeing with their conclusion that this is the "best phone available." If we're just looking at the facts, it is absolutely not the best phone in terms of best available hardware. You might prefer iOS... so perhaps it is the best iOS phone available. Fair enough?
TLDR - They're basically arguing that since they believe iOS is better... we can ignore the fact that its a weaker machine than the galaxy s5/htc one m8/etc..., with a lower quality screen. It's subjective, what do you prefer... iOS or a more powerful android device?
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Holy shit you have got to be kidding me.
The stuff Apple gets away with on a consistent basis blows my mind.
It's a flase dichotomy.
Plus you didn't manage to convince me to why having a more powerful android device is essential.
metalslimer
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After being one of the people last year criticizing phones pushing 1080p, I can say now having one that 1080p is an extremely noticable jump. I can see why Apple decided to keep the resolution lower this year though to improve battery life. The RAM thing is still hilarious how cheap Apple could be with how much they are charging in particular for the 6+.
Do you realize that, due to vast differences in API and hardware interaction, specs do not translate linearly to performance differences when comparing ios and android devices?
Nicktendo86
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Plus it feels more authentic scoobs, you only get that with the apple iPhone.
Seriously though if the Galaxy Note 4 had performance hitches, especially with the web browser as reported on the 6+, it would be torn apart.
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More powerful is the wrong phrase to use.
HTC has dramatically better speakers. Samsung, LG, etc have better screens and its noticable when reading. The phone obviously lags as stated in multiple reviews so its lack of RAM and such impacts it as well.
You do not know if the "lack" of RAM is the cause for the lag. iPads with the same amount of RAM do fine at even higher resolutions, so that points to the issue being something related to the 6+ API being young.
But you clearly have a bone to pick and have fixated on a specific aspect without any actual proof of it being a factor, so go ahead, you're not going to listen to me anyway.
Distresssss
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A lot of talk is that the Note 3 and 6+ are pretty comparable in battery life yet the Note 4 with it's 1440p screen is reportedly improved in battery life from the Note 3. Also Android L will push that even further.
Screen res doesn't matter nearly as much if you have great processor improvements and optimization.
Also I've heard from others with iOS that oftentimes if they try to compare websites in separate tabs that the browser will sometimes (or always, I don't know for sure) reload a tab you go back to which would be a very easy case of the phone not having enough RAM.
I am looking forward to playing with the iPhone 6 soon though. Should be a nice piece of hardware to hold in the hand.
Umm.. Weaker how? Screen res? RAM (which lets face it, only affects multi-tab browsing)? Battery life?
Everyone says weaker and then just leaves it with that nebulous claim.
Wiz
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No doubt. I'm not denying that the phone is probably amazing (hell, I pre-ordered the 6), but I feel like it could be misleading to some people.
Maninthemirror
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Performing worst . Odd choice of wording. In many benchmarks it's the same in some plus is ahead . What do you mean worst. It performs better than the ipad air does in less resolution
No one argues the iPhone has the best specs, even if it manages to pull ahead in benchmarking tests every year.
At the point where we are, specs are irrelevant of the performance is smooth enough.
Edit: Also, not to be facetious, but what do you do with all that raw power? How are video editing suites on Android, and which 3D games benifit the most?
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Agreed. Seems pretty silly people are forgetting why it's called a Retina display. It's literally a density chosen to be too small to see pixels in at normal distances. Denser is really not going to do much unless you are looking for the pixels. Many reviewers have debated if the retina display has ever had to worry about these denser Android resolutions.
When the 3G was announced, I swore I'd get the next one after it. Then they announced 3GS and couldn't bring myself to get an aging body, so I held out hope and was rewarded huge by waiting for the 4. Still what I consider the most monumental phone design ever. The glass front and back with the exposed stainless steel antenna, front facing camera, retina display. Just stunning. Been sticking with the body remodels and skipping S models ever since.
Nicktendo86
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Has it this year though? From what I've read so far from benchmarking it matches the M8/GS5 but certainly doesn't pull ahead of them.
scoobs
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Weaker how....? In every single way on the hardware side. That is what weaker means, and it is a weaker phone. Unquestionable, and inarguable. You can pull up the specs sheets and stare at them if you'd like any further explanation.
It will never get old reading the stuff people come up with to try to argue apple isn't completely ripping them off. You are paying a premium for a slightly less than top of the line phone, and that is totally fine if you are okay with that. I just find it odd that tech sites, whose job it is to break down the specs of these things, is coming out claiming a weaker phone is better than others that might have a bit more juice under the hood.
I'm not even saying its a bad phone, quite the opposite.. seems like a totally great phone based on the reviews. But trying to argue the weaker hardware is better is something I just can't get behind.
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The only issue I have with 1GB on my 5S is having to re-load web pages if I switch to too many other apps. Raising the RAM would help with this, but to be honest it's really not that big a deal to me.
Apple will raise the RAM when it makes the most sense to do so, but I really don't think it "ruins" the experience, at least for me.
It'll be interesting to see, once they finally do raise it, how the user experience compares between that and the previous generation.
As far as the "weaker" argument, it's ALL about user experience. Specs only matter when they are detrimental to the UX. Otherwise, people generally don't care. It's irrelevant.
Apple will raise the RAM when it makes the most sense to do so, but I really don't think it "ruins" the experience, at least for me.
It'll be interesting to see, once they finally do raise it, how the user experience compares between that and the previous generation.
As far as the "weaker" argument, it's ALL about user experience. Specs only matter when they are detrimental to the UX. Otherwise, people generally don't care. It's irrelevant.
Wow. Answeringn without an answer. You do your fanboys proud.
Still the best mobile processor in the industry. Still among the most precise display in the industry. Likely still the fastest non-synthetic benchmarks in the industry. Still one of the most visually impressive and feature rich cameras in the industry. But "specs. They sucks lulz" megapixels, Ghz, bullet points. You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.
Good job not making your point.
Still the best mobile processor in the industry. Still among the most precise display in the industry. Likely still the fastest non-synthetic benchmarks in the industry. Still one of the most visually impressive and feature rich cameras in the industry. But "specs. They sucks lulz" megapixels, Ghz, bullet points. You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.
Good job not making your point.
So a totally great phone people love sells 4+ million in a day and you argue people are being ripped off? Your argument is ridiculous.
Nicktendo86
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The bolded, I agree 100%. But only when it makes sense for Apple RE their bottom line, not when it makes sense for consumers, and THAT is the issue I have with Apple/iPhones.
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What do spec sheets matter when iPhone performs smoothly and benchmarks like a champ even against the high spec Android phones? I'm paying for experience, design, and performance. Not inefficient dumping of a third party OS into a hefty phone that's resources are clearly used way less efficiently than on iOS devices.
All I want is for Safari pages to remain in memory and not constantly have to reload whenever I switch tabs. That's one thing I can think of that Apple could use with a bit more power.
scoobs
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Like I said, the public is wrapped around their finger... doesn't mean you aren't getting ripped off for what you're paying for.
You're paying a $200-300 premium for a logo and iOS 8 and its ecosystem. For many, that is worth $200. For me, it isn't. Simple as that. Android has come a loooooooong way, I know its hard to believe but there are other phones out there that do the exact same stuff (and considerably more!)
TarpitCarnivore
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If it was about the bottom line Apple wouldn't be switching up the processors every year. That requires tons of money in R&D. They've likely been able to optimize as much as possible with 1GB of RAM.
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Don't you dare try and pretend there's phones that match current iPhones in all ways for that much cheaper. There's more than a logo making iPhone the leader.
And let's be accurate, the Apple is more beloved symbol now than logo. And one that stands for satisfaction, not rip-offs. There's plenty of people who appreciate spec details that still prefer iPhone.
He looks at 2.7Ghz and quad core against 1.4Ghz and dual core and yells "specs!!!" Nevermind that the architectures and pipelines of the CPUs are different, that the SDKs and APIs are night and day, that "more megapixels" doesn't qualitatively translate into a better photo print, etc.
Fight the good fight bud. Preach how we are all getting screwed and convert us from our heathen ways.
Ffs. And now we are falling back on the "you're paying for a name". Doesn't that take me back to every baseless flag waving crusade.
Fight the good fight bud. Preach how we are all getting screwed and convert us from our heathen ways.
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Does 6 count?
Of the Plus or the regular?
If I had to guess this has nothing to do with "specs" and will likely be resolved. I mean UI navigation isn't as intense as gaming, and Apple's UI has always been butter. We'll see but is be shocked if there were small hitches that weren't ironed out. Even the iPad 3 ran fine on its original iOS version (5?)
Nicktendo86
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Sure, if you want a worse camera, worse battery and lower res screen.
You sound like a Nintendo fan
scoobs
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Don't I dare? This is getting weird... I'll just see myself out. Phone wars are weird. Also, Android owns like 80% of the market so... Apple ain't leading anything anymore.
scoobs
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Yes play the victim... goodness this is unproductive. Enjoy your phone!
Interfectum
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"Phone wars are weird" yet you've been shitting up this thread with it. Stop pretending like you are better than other people.
Or someone who understands the difference between CPU architectures. And the visual implications of focal depth and pixel/sensor size over just cramming more pixels into a sensor. You know, the shit we end up actually caring apart vs. the bullet points other companies shove down your throat?
Almost as unproductive as responding to a post showing the technical differences between the hardware platforms effectively with a "GG". I'm not a victim in anyway. Anytime you want to talk specs I'm ready.
Why does every single iPhone thread have to be a place for Android fans to display their persecution complex. It's pathetic.
At any rate i'm happy that iPhone 6 is getting the reviews I expected and will be a solid phone. Wish they had gone a bit further but oh well. The RAM and ppi are irrelevant as long as the phone works well and looks good, which it apparently does.
At any rate i'm happy that iPhone 6 is getting the reviews I expected and will be a solid phone. Wish they had gone a bit further but oh well. The RAM and ppi are irrelevant as long as the phone works well and looks good, which it apparently does.
I honestly don't understand "phone wars". Personally, I'm a huge fan of the iPhone because of the iOS and the ecosystem. Owning a Mac they just fit perfectly together. Everything syncs automatically. And then there's the build quality and materials used. Those are the reasons why I prefer iPhones over other phones (though a lot of the newer Android phones are really nice as well)
I would say get the iphone 6 and stay on the two year cycle, especially if you would be paying the same monthly rates anyway and your phone is subsidized through the price of your plan. the iphone 5 value will keep going down. The iphone 6 will retain its value much better if you plan to pay full price for a phone next year.
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I "clearly" have a bone to pick? Why because I'm stating facts? You're right that the iPad has the same amount of RAM but obviously another gig would help.
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It is crazy. New android phone gets announced. Gets a thread. Everyone is happy. New iPhone gets announced, gets a thread and androids come and and say "specs. Two years old. Apple tax." It's like they get jealous that the phone actually gets hype from the press and consumers, and then call bias and bullshit. Are they really that pissed that people like a phone that much better than theirs?
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable statement to me. Care to explain your problem with it?
As I said, Nintendo fan.
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Just like how many cores do not matter benchmarks do not matter. I care about the actual user experience and this phone has performance issues. Its really that simple.
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