I love this line:
"It is not often that a new iPhone threatens to alter the course of human evolution, is what Im saying. But here we are."
Lol never change, Verge.
First iPhone 6/6 Plus Reviews
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I love this line:
"It is not often that a new iPhone threatens to alter the course of human evolution, is what Im saying. But here we are."
Lol never change, Verge.
Distresssss
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That is my opinion and no one in this thread will get me to think otherwise.
Games would get better with more RAM. Browsing the web (something I like to do on my phone) is better with more RAM. Multitasking is better with more RAM.
I think the iPhone 6 could have been more than it is and I'm disappointed in it for that reason. Also in this day and age I really appreciate being able to swap out a battery and having expandable storage.
I don't take reviews like that seriously, for an iOS, android, or Windows phone.
Vivalaraza
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I know this is a pointless point to make in a sector where digits really matter to people...but who really cares that much about ram and pixels and stuff like that at this end of the market.
Do that many people actually sit around using their phone and take offence that there isn't more ram or a sharper focus on the screen. Is it disrupting their user experience that much or is it just the idea that don't have the absolute latest tech in the palms which they struggle with.
I dunno. All these phones are just so powerful now you really have to be working them hard for it to get to the point where you just can't tolerate the hardware anymore.
I seriously considered moving to Android over the past week or so but tbh I just can't be bothered. I'm set up with iOS and I'll just go along with it. Changing would be hassle...and it might be fun to try a new OS and what not but ultimately I'll just sink back to using the same few apps after a while. I'm comfortably with the reliability and continuity that the iPhone offers.
6 for me. Small hands.
Do that many people actually sit around using their phone and take offence that there isn't more ram or a sharper focus on the screen. Is it disrupting their user experience that much or is it just the idea that don't have the absolute latest tech in the palms which they struggle with.
I dunno. All these phones are just so powerful now you really have to be working them hard for it to get to the point where you just can't tolerate the hardware anymore.
I seriously considered moving to Android over the past week or so but tbh I just can't be bothered. I'm set up with iOS and I'll just go along with it. Changing would be hassle...and it might be fun to try a new OS and what not but ultimately I'll just sink back to using the same few apps after a while. I'm comfortably with the reliability and continuity that the iPhone offers.
6 for me. Small hands.
I know that if Apple releases a new iPad with just 1 gig of ram I won't buy it. iPhone ram hasn't been a problem for me though since they moved to 1 gig with the 5 - im not too concerned - just disable gifs on gaf.
Sigh.
Distresssss
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Aren't they similar outside of the + model having OIS?
I still haven't seen anything outside of web browsing that indicates this. Maybe MAYBE if we'd have heard devs bitching about 1GB I'd agree with you. But as it stands right now the 1GB never affected either the 5s nor iPad Air yet outside of browsing. Obviously Apple controlling the SoC, OS, and SDK all play a major part in that. I have to believe they talk to the closer devs during the process to see where they stand on memory usage.
Halcyon
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Phone Wars are pretty dumb. The spec race bullshit is quite annoying. That's why I had no problem buying a Moto G. For what you need the smartphone to do from a functional perspective, they've been fine for the past few years of tech.
Quarreling over everything spec wise is just something people on the internet do to pass the time and they're lying to themselves if they think otherwise.
McHuj
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yeah, and that's why I'm asking. I want to see the impact of OIS. I've seen reviews mentioning it, but I haven't come across one with samples, especially low light ones of comparing the two.
You have literally no basis for this statement. I mean just saying. If you want to bitch about browser tabs go ahead.. But nothing has been said that I've ever seen that indicates that RAM has held app development back. As for multitasking, iOS doesn't multitask. You have a set of allowed background processes available through the API, but apps don't actually stay fully resident eating up memory.
soundahfekz
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I don't understand how a phone with 1gb of RAM in 2014 gets basically 9's across the board. You can optimize the OS all you want, but you can't optimize external web content which causes the inevitable reload.
I know apple makes an awesome product overall, buts crazy to not be docked for such a small amount of RAM on today's internet. 2GB would've been ideal.
I know apple makes an awesome product overall, buts crazy to not be docked for such a small amount of RAM on today's internet. 2GB would've been ideal.
I don't use any browsers other than Safari, but people have stated that the tab reload problem does not occur on the other available browsers like Opera, Chrome, etc. on iOS. So perhaps it is not an indication of a RAM problem at all but more about the way Safari is coded.
Distresssss
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Game development is sometimes held back by RAM, that is not really an argument. Of course it's fully possible to make do with what is there but it isn't black and white. I'm not trying to be biased at all when I say it. It's the truth.
The 'inevitable reload' is a 1-2 second convenience for the most part. I'm guessing for reviewers who don't visit GIF heavy sites it's not an issue. I barely notice it because I rarely keep more than 3 tabs up.
Distresssss
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For people that use their phones a lot to browse the web and have data caps it can be a problem. If I had to reload a tab every time I went to it I probably wouldn't use the browser. Data caps are a pain in the butt.
Like you said, it isn't black and white. What is black and white is "we couldn't do this on iPhone but could on android because of RAM" which is more where I was going with it.
Mind you I'm not arguing against more RAM. Just saying that at this very second it's a quality of life thing for web browsing more than anything else. Granted Apple has traditionally been a quality of life type company.. but clearly they are holding off on eating the cost of an extra GB until basically the devs demand it.
I think this year's iPad will be a good barometer. If there isn't 2GB in there then that could be trouble for next year. I'm actually fearing that because A8 is still on Cyclone that they won't go to 2GB until their next CPU transition.
IMO, the screen is plenty good enough. The RAM on the other hand - every app crash I've had on my 5s is due to low RAM (although they aren't that common). The biggest annoyance I have is if I pause my music and then I do anything remotely taxing my phone forgets what playlist I was listening to (which I believe is due to low RAM; my 4s was much much worse).
I like the bigger size but I'm kind of glad my contract won't be up for renewal until the 6s comes out.
I'm on a data cap and don't experience that issue. I'm on mobile gaf constantly. I just close tabs and disable gifs.
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There's only been a handful of casual references to slight differences, but nothing that outright says that they are noticeably different across the board.
With A7 handling an iPad grade screen, and A8 having 50% more graphics power, I'm sure the difference is negligible. We also don't know if the 6+ is clocked higher.
Messofanego
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Does Nilay Patel usually make such ridiculous statements? There isn't even any real context to that line when I read the review.
And I thought hyperbole in video game reviews was bad.
Maybe they review the experience of using the phone and not the spec sheets.
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TarpitCarnivore
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Verge is huge on hyperbole and such. It can be tiresome to trudge through their reviews because of it.
This makes sense since there is more thermal headroom. Perks of having a huge phone.
TarpitCarnivore
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Don't I dare? This is getting weird... I'll just see myself out. Phone wars are weird. Also, Android owns like 80% of the market so... Apple ain't leading anything anymore.
Shipment volume is kind of meaningless because it just means units shipped to stores. Sales would be a better metric.
As for marketshare, Apple has never been about global marketshare. They're still strong in the US and they're now getting into Asian (more specifically China) so the numbers should be interesting. Especially with larger phones and NFC.
Nastrodamous
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When is the andandtech and arstechnica review coming they are the only ones I care about
TarpitCarnivore
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Probably next week. Apple selects the outlets they want to get reviews, which is usually around 10-12. This is based on relationships with the company, brand reputation, etc. 9to5Mac has a good breakdown of how this has been handled since the first iPhone.
Don't I dare? This is getting weird... I'll just see myself out. Phone wars are weird. Also, Android owns like 80% of the market so... Apple ain't leading anything anymore.
Lol@ 'phone wars are weird' while breaking out some market share charts
soundahfekz
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Which RAM would undoubtedly be a part of. I remember how annoying it was to reload browser tabs every time I switched an app when I had a 4. I can't imagine it's any better with the demand for higher RAM from websites and other applications.
Apple deserves a shit ton of praise for how well they integrate the OS with the hardware, but I can't help feeling like reviewers are drinking the hype a bit too much and ignoring this particular issue.
Messofanego
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I just rely on youtube reviews, so I'll just never rely on Verge for reviews. They sound a bit pretentious.
Which particular reviews do you think ignore it?
TarpitCarnivore
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The only place the RAM issue shows up is with browser tabs, in my experience. To focus on that as such a glaring negative is kind of an over statement of the whole RAM thing. If every other part of iOS fell apart from lack of RAM then it would be brought up. But we're talking about one aspect of an entire OS.
Sad thing is, this is very true.
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I just don't know how a reviewer would be expected to reasonably test the RAM performance.
The way Apple does multi-tasking is much lighter on resources than the Android phones, and the only thing people ever talk about in terms of RAM is Safari tabbed browsing.
As I've said in other threads, I get that wanting more RAM seems like an obvious request, but what use cases are we really targeting by getting more RAM? Safari tabbed browsing?
The added RAM would cost Apple roughly $11 per device (using 2013 prices, could be lower now), and sold over 100 million iPhones in 2014 so far. So $1.1 billion dollars left on the table for adding that RAM component...all so a bunch of users won't have their Safari tabs refresh more than they'd like?
I know it seems like a shit argument when you're talking about Apple...they can afford it! But unless there's some super obvious use case where 2GB of RAM makes the usage of the phone substantially better, I totally get why they are holding off.
Doesn't mean we have to like it, but I get it, and I don't think it's killing anyone.
But does it matter to a consumer today? I get that this argument is the favorite thing to fuel fanboy wars, but when one is buying a phone right now, it does not matter at all when a particular form factor or feature was first implemented. A customer only cares about what state it is in right now, and which device offers the best version of it. "LG came up with 2 years ago" is absolutely not a selling point, it's only a fanboy argument.
TarpitCarnivore
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I'd wager for the last 12-18 months there has been no reason to be getting into a pissing competition with specs. We're at a point where phone should be able to last people a good 18-24 months before feeling old, if not longer. It's all down to the software now. So at the end of the day buy the product that will let you function the best.
Maninthemirror
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lets resolve the spec speculation.
The iPhone 6 has 1 GB Ram with a 1.4 Ghz A8 at 1334 x 750 (326 PPI)
The iPhone 6 Plus has 1 GB Ram with 1.4 Ghz A8 at 1920 x 1080 (401 PPI)
The iPad Air has 1 GB Ram with 1.3 Ghz A7 at 2048x1536 (264 PPI)
The iPad Air runs fine at that resolution with a A7 and 1 GB ram, the iPhone Plus had a lower resolution with a newer chip and OS would run even better than the iPad Air does. We know games run well on iPad air at that resolution and seeing the benchmarks we see that the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus both run at a slightly higher clip than the iPad Air. For a Phone it is not a significant jump but it is a Jump where here is the resolution:
the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus will perform SLIGHTLY better than the iPhone 5S at a higher resolution and bigger screen.
The iPhone 6 has 1 GB Ram with a 1.4 Ghz A8 at 1334 x 750 (326 PPI)
The iPhone 6 Plus has 1 GB Ram with 1.4 Ghz A8 at 1920 x 1080 (401 PPI)
The iPad Air has 1 GB Ram with 1.3 Ghz A7 at 2048x1536 (264 PPI)
The iPad Air runs fine at that resolution with a A7 and 1 GB ram, the iPhone Plus had a lower resolution with a newer chip and OS would run even better than the iPad Air does. We know games run well on iPad air at that resolution and seeing the benchmarks we see that the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus both run at a slightly higher clip than the iPad Air. For a Phone it is not a significant jump but it is a Jump where here is the resolution:
the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus will perform SLIGHTLY better than the iPhone 5S at a higher resolution and bigger screen.
I think it's more of the fact that Apple is trying to pass off a 1080p screen as this superb wonder and whatnot.
sometimes i game
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It matters if the stuff LG/Samsung/etc are offering today are 2 years ahead of what Apple is now doing.
Samsung has had 4 generations to perfect the Note. The software is tailored to be productive, with stylus shortcuts and the ability to run 2 apps on one screen. It has a bigger screen than the 6+, but is not as tall as the 6+ is.
Many people have realized this and moved from iPhone to Android. But it's also true that if the product Apple is offering is great in it's own right, every consumer might not compare and move on. But Samsung is selling a lot of phones, and they convert a lot of iPhone users.
BFIB
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I am actually shocked at Pierce's Verge review. He knocked Apple for "playing catchup" instead of doing what Apple normally does, which is finding something existing, and doing it in a way that stands out. He states all Apple did was up the screen size without taking advantage of more real estate.
Then gives it a 9.0.
Then gives it a 9.0.
Interfectum
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Maybe because despite being disappointed that Apple didn't push the boundaries more it's still a great phone?
I want the 6 plus just for future proofing. This could push the upgrade cycle back another half year. I spent over $5000 on iPhone apps but will add an Android phone this year. The RAM issue is more of a gripe with value proposition. However, I understand the spec sheet OS WARZ. Apple has to wait until technology improves so they can introduce phones with more ram and a smaller footprint, in my opinion.
People are online complaining those phones don't work and receive updates in 2014. OMFG APPLE DIDN'T INTRODUCE A 1080P SMARTPHONE IN 2012! This is an epic failure because Apple didn't introduce a 5.5 inch iPhone in 2011. <--- ONE YEAR AFTER INTRODUCING THE REVOLUTIONARY IPHONE 4 APPLE FAILED TO INTRODUCE A 5.5 inch iPhone. Let's keep going with the fanboyism. The Nexus S had NFC in 2010 which was promptly disabled... but, but, but, it was around in 2010!
Every OEM's CEO you listed would give their soul to sell half as many iPhones Apple sails in TWO FUCKING MONTHS with "old features".
My point is two fold: those devices you listed struggle to function and receive updates in 2014. I'm talking about working period not even the tech side. It makes little to no sense to arrive first to market with a features that are barely used, won't work in a year or two anyway that arbitrarily increase the BOM because OS WARZ dictate you fill a spec sheet.
BFIB
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Verge has always been Apple blowhards, so I'm not surprised by the score. Just find it funny that the quick comments at the end would have been major point detractors on anything else, Android, or WP.
Then people should argue using that. Not "Apple is 2 years late to the party".
BFIB
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All these new iPhones is going to do, is push Google and Samsung, HTC, LG etc. to up their game even more.
Competition does nothing but benefit the consumer, so I'm glad to see Apple make the foray into the larger phone market.
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