I agree - nintendo needs these games not for the sales they gather but to bring a steady flow of (quality/interesting) releases on it's platform.
Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2014 (Sep 15 - Sep 21)
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I've yet to make comparisons about Phantasy Star Nova because I think it's too soon to make them: the game releases in two months or so, it's not time for comparisons yet, IMHO. Much better when it's around one month before the release. Next times, I could still post how is it doing as a stat, without comparisons, though.
It's easily possible. The game is already closing in on 700k and maintaining a relatively stable 5-6k weekly. Even if there's zero holiday lift it'll be over 750k by the end of the year.
I think even 900k is more likely than not honestly. Holiday lift + DLC push. If Nintendo really wants to push it with concentrated advertising or a bundle it'll go much higher than that too.
Hellraider
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Original Bayonetta's sales were great. The problem was Sega and their policy change at the time. Anything that wasn't top tier got the boot.
Yeah we must consider that while prequel sold rather decently, we don't know how much it costed SEGA to sell that much of copies. Games that sells like 10-20K can still be profitable, while some games sells 10x more than that can still be un-profitable.
By looking how log it took Platinum to release Bayo2 they may not be efficient enough.
Its a budget digital release with a very short production cycle so yeah.
Ye Nintendo is trying. I am definately buying devils third if only for the online.
To be honest i'm with the conspiracy theorists that think bayonetta (and hyrule warriors) were near finished a few months ago, but not released because nintendo needed software for their (traditionally) strongest sept-dec periode.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Do we know the digital sales of Bayo 2 at all?
sörine;131461298 said:
Mmhh...maybe you are right. let's see.
yeah, a middle finger to the actual wii u owners (that up to now would be the only interested in a next nintendo console) would be a great idea.
Thank you, I didn't know about it
Astral Dog
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Whe dont know that, we know Platinum didnt think the game was going to be made at some point, but what if they did? Nintendo was one of the more popular publishers, especially in Japan, they offered to fund the sequel and the port of Bayo 1, i cant blame them or Nintendo for helping make the game, of course, Microsoft or Sony COULD had funded it or they could NOT. but thats another universe.
metalslimer
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It would be one thing if these games would sell a decent amount because it would show the userbase actually had an interest, but instead, they are selling miniscule amounts and I don't see how they actually keep the people who buy the other customers happy when they don't even buy them.
TMaakkonen
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I can think why 3DS got increase in sales. Smash 3DS had so good word of mouth, that it increased 3DS sales.
Vita is passable since its still above YoY overall and did better than last years week.
Vita is passable since its still above YoY overall and did better than last years week.
It makes sense for Nintendo to even out the software output, so I won't even call it conspiracy. Yeah your theory may be right on but who knows.
The e-shop version of Bayo2 barely fits to 32GB WiiU (don't even mention about 8GB WiiU). I doubt that many ppl went for digital version.
Hm, guess the holiday caused the Wii U bump and not Bayo. Couldn't even do that.
Sony can't be happy with the Ps4 drop. Also, the Vita is doing poorly. Remember when the 3DS and Vita were battling early this year? Oh , predictions were made...
n3DS week will be interesting. MK is really faltering. It needs its DLC or a bundle.
At least Smash is doing well.
Sony can't be happy with the Ps4 drop. Also, the Vita is doing poorly. Remember when the 3DS and Vita were battling early this year? Oh , predictions were made...
n3DS week will be interesting. MK is really faltering. It needs its DLC or a bundle.
At least Smash is doing well.
shinra-bansho
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If their strategic focus is centred around catering solely to the whims of that same market segment, then that situation isn't going to change by simply increasing the duration of the console's life span.
They could instead attempt to create a product with broader market appeal. I know it's a crazy idea.
frankie_baby
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Anyone that seriously buys digital versions of retail games will surely have a hard drive so I doubt storage is an issue
It was mentioned that Sept 15 was holiday in Japan. Make sense why it got a bumped.
mrmickfran
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Bayo 2 probably bombed because it's so fucking expensive.
Over $80? WTF?
Over $80? WTF?
well yeah they obviously need to expand their market, but they can't do it at the expense of their existing fan-base. that'd be all kinds of stupid.
Other one was just as expensive.
frankie_baby
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Just noticed, Dragon quest 10 hit 100k on famitsu, impressive
that's a good idea, obviously.
but making a middle finger to the actual owners would be a mess, to me.
you don't know if a broader market will be actually interested in you product before the release (of course, otherwise every product would be a great success), and burn those who actually bought your latest one would be even riskier than the Wii U.
If the Wii U will propose software just until 15 with the games already announced at the last E3, it would mean a three-year and a half lifespan. I don't know how many people would buy another dedicated home console for 250/350$ to play for such a short period of time.
Spieler Eins
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That's what they already did with 2 years of almost no games and desperately trying to recapture the Wii Fit audience with lazy cash grabs at a ridiculious price point instead. I still can't believe that poor, yet fullpriced Wii Sports HD was actually a thing. These subpar Bayo 2 sales (and let's not pretend it's gonna be that much better worldwide) show that many Wii U buyers already don't give a shit anymore. And despite the hardware sales, which imo are just natural for such unappealing consoles (esp. in Japan), don't change the fact that there still has been lots of successful home console software in these past years, so not even reaching Bayo360 levels is not defendable.
A fresh start is the only way out. Sweeping the Wii brand under the rug, which has been completely devalued at this point. I guess a Twilight Princess situation for the final Wii U projects would ease some of the remaining Wii U fans (who would buy the next Nintendo machine anyway).
MrNyarlathotep
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If you (the hypothetical you as a videogame publisher, not the actual you) consider game publishing to be anything more than pushing boxes at minimum cost for maximum profit, then there is a non-financial incentive to fund projects that are critically acclaimed and raise your prestige without ever being profitable.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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I'm not sure that's really a valid reason...if someone is committed to digital they'll buy a new HDD, unless you have numbers that show if the default storage space is too small people will move toward buying retail versions
shinra-bansho
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It's a poor decision if alternative market segments aren't attractive enough, significant in terms of size and profitability, and can't be maintained. Sure.
I don't think that's the case. And if it is, Nintendo's may as well get the hell out of dodge then.
Furthermore, people overplay the potential attrition.
Well, looking at the output which include announced games on both Wii and Wii U, I already like the latter more. It's just missing another Galaxy game.
It was already obvious after they had success with both Layton and IE11. People just expect every project they do turns into gold.
a little misleading, isn't it? It's the Bargain edition charting, not the initial release.
Psycho_Mantis
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I'm pretty sure the original version was charting till the bargain version was introduced.
I don't think that's true in the slightest. not only would Nintendo decrease their fan-base's confidence in their ability to support a console for a reasonable amount of time, they'd probably decrease the confidence in the potential markets that they would try and appeal to. if Nintendo cuts support for the Wii U after 3 years it wouldn't send the best signal to prospective owners of their next console.
Bayo isn't that ridiculous when you see what Hyrule Warriors do.
I just hope (not going to happen) looking at the Wii U no-bump, Nintendo understand that a strategy consisting of funding ONE game from a different style from theirs isn't enough.
They need to embrace a more broader strategy than that, having not one but a string of games in a particular genre to successfully generate hardware sales and create a user base.
I just hope (not going to happen) looking at the Wii U no-bump, Nintendo understand that a strategy consisting of funding ONE game from a different style from theirs isn't enough.
They need to embrace a more broader strategy than that, having not one but a string of games in a particular genre to successfully generate hardware sales and create a user base.
Bruno MB
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Code:
[B]Xbox[/B] [B]Xbox 360[/B] [B]Xbox One[/B]
2002.02.22 2005.12.10 2014.09.04
Week Weekly LTD Weekly LTD Weekly LTD
01 123.929 123.929 62.135 62.135 23.562 23.562
02 37.147 161.076 12.320 74.455 3.574 27.136
[B]03 10.930 172.006 7.315 81.770 1.536 28.672[/B]
04 7.924 179.930 12.755 94.525
05 5.005 184.935 8.655 103.180
06 5.157 190.092 4.620 107.800
07 3.188 193.280 2.762 110.562
08 2.532 195.812 2.095 112.657
09 3.286 199.098 2.022 114.679
10 5.112 204.210 1.463 116.142
11 3.326 207.536 1.212 117.354
12 1.872 209.408 1.082 118.436
13 834 210.242 1.020 119.456
14 6.447 216.689 1.035 120.491
15 5.912 222.601 1.181 121.672
16 2.836 225.437 1.550 123.222
17 4.359 229.796 2.636 125.858
18 3.358 233.154 1.752 127.610
19 3.218 236.372 1.780 129.390
20 3.111 239.483 2.852 132.242
21 3.218 242.701 2.742 134.984
22 2.958 245.659 2.021 137.005
23 6.047 251.706 1.496 138.501
24 3.826 255.532 1.415 139.916
25 3.135 258.667 1.218 141.134Guess it's all about 3DS (starring Smash Bros. and featuring Yokai Watch) this week.
Those XB1 numbers... damn.
Those XB1 numbers... damn.
There's also Lego City Undercover.
Yeh the size of the mobile market really gets downplayed around here. For example David Gibson tweeted the other day that nearly 40% of games at TGS were for mobile, up from 24% last year. Entirely possible that there will be a majority next year.
SwiftDeath
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Better than I expected for Bayonetta 2. Still not particularly good though
PS4 sales stayed a bit higher than I expected. Will surely drop next week I think
XB1 sales right around where I expected. Three digits next week seems likely
PS4 sales stayed a bit higher than I expected. Will surely drop next week I think
XB1 sales right around where I expected. Three digits next week seems likely
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Isn't that what they're doing? Publishing NG3:RE? W101? Bayo2? Devil's Third? They're clearly trying to do this with action titles. I'm not sure what qualifies as a "string of games" for you
ArchedThunder
Banned
Man, those Bayo numbers are depressing. Hopefully it does better in the west.
shinra-bansho
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The general populace essentially doesn't care about the Wii U. They don't care it exists. They don't care how long it exists. I highly doubt it enters into their mind frame.
If it does, I don't particularly know why extending the stench of failed product on the market with perpetual software drought is supposed to be particularly inspiring for future purpose.
It certainly won't inspire confidence in retail and publishing partners.
Who are the prospective owners? What do they care about?
That's what should be running through Nintendo's executives' minds.
They should be working on a product towards appealing to those broader markets, as quickly as possible, and launching it when it make sense for that product.
Not simply ensuring the continued support of the last remnants of their most ardent fanbase by protracting its lifespan. Because again, if that's the extent of the market they're catering to, then it's an exercise in futility. You keep those few million people on board again next time around in 2018 after a "full" console cycle? Okay. So you have Wii U take two then.
you should have stopped at the "posted by __________" bit
well then we just disagree is all
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Cant tell where I feel with the Bayo 2 numbers. It being WiiU makes it a sort of "Almost 40k!" miracle after things like W101 and Yakuza Collection ultra bombas, but then Bayonetta 1 sold 200k so "Oh boy, not even a quarter!!" is pretty shit standing.
Poor Platinum.
Poor Platinum.
theprodigy
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There sure is a lot of hope for Bayo 2 sales in the west in here for some reason.
Freedom = $1.05
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on the plus side, Bayo1 just sold 40k more copies!
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
Because almost every game sells better in the west...
Well, after a console with a four year cycle, Microsoft launched the wildly more successful Xbox 360, so there's a precedent for going from a short cycle to big success.