Destiny |OT5| New patch out Tues., Master Rahool reportedly crying into his robes

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I get why you referred to it in such a way, it's just that the word "exploit" brings a lot of baggage with it. It implies the player was cheating or breaking the system for their own benefit.

You should be using terms like Bungie's Error, flawed execution, or lack of planning on Bungie's part. That's more accurate to what really happened.

Ah I see.
 
You want to level your character up for Iron Banner. Not to mention stuff like Nightfall and Hard Mode for the Strikes and Raids.

He did leave out Iron banner because I think he was coming from a PvE perspective, but he does mention that you want to level past 28 for hard mode of raids. You don't do additional damage to mobs being higher level than them, and Nightfall mobs are 26.
 
Saw this on twitter..cannot stop laughing. And it's pretty accurate.

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Haha that is hilarious! I love that guys comics.

Also, I am super excited to hear that Bad Juju and Thorn will be getting buffed soon.
 
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Hey guys, I'm looking into putting a team together to challenge the level 30 version of the raid. I'm level 29 and I got a friend who's 29 as well. We're looking for four other level 29 soldiers to join us. If possible we would like to try it in a couple of hours. Who's in?

PSN: Wretched_Walrus

PS: It would be awesome if you could also join my clan (BulletLove), so we all get the clan raider trophy.
 
Right, but the raid/strike itself should be fun right?

Like, if you are having fun why does it matter if you level in a week or in 3 months?

"Should be fun" is key. I'm still having a blast with friends, but I can see that it's going to take a ton of playing the same levels over and over again, hoping for better equipment (or materials to level up the light on my existing equipment) so I can unlock the NEXT difficulty on the same levels over and over again.

All MMOs have grinding, but many did a much better job of allowing natural progression through actual content, and not retreading the same territory.

I guess what I'm saying is that, in lieu of new content, all you really have is level progression. After 20, that progression comes through new loot, which is randomized and never guaranteed.

Lack of new content is frustrating
Lack of guaranteed rewards (I'm referring to rewards for completing difficult Strikes, I'm not asking to be spoon fed) is frustrating
Lack of control over your character's level progression is frustration

EDIT: I should also note that, while I jumped on the cave bandwagon when I was sub-level 20, I haven't farmed it in a while.

how can i have fun if i'm not first?

It's not that at all.
 
I'm going to need one more for raid tonight, start at 9 pacific time! I have a group from doing the raid last week, but one of the guys can't make it. We got to the last boss, didn't finish it though. This will take place on PS4.

Add me if interested: FrsDvll

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Holy shit just been reading the patch notes...
WTF am I suppose to do now to get a Legendary Primary weapon!? Buy one?! Its impossible unless I wait for next week to do that! God dammit Bungie!!
I just hope the RNG Space Lords bless me with something...
 
An exploit is taking advantage of a flaw. You can, I suppose consider a six second respawn rate a flaw, if you want. The difference is that they fixed all the six second respawn rates to 40 seconds in various areas.

Now tell me how breaking down legendaries you RNG, or buy give you ascendant mats is not a flaw, when apparently the ones you get by grinding out bounties and epic story quests is?

post #1962 will tayle u errythang
 
I can't believe we're in OT5 already. I'm still a lowly lvl 18 with my first character (a Titan) but I've enjoyed the game for the time that I have spent with it. I'm still curious as to how enjoyable I am going to find it once I hit 20 and need to gear grind to level up.

We'll see.
 
To get the queens gear so that you can wear it and look awesome?

Isn't that the entire point of loot games?

Get loot, look cool.
Sure, if it weren't for the fact that a lot of it is re-colored low-level armor - which you can already accomplish with a shader.
 
I just played this the second time since it released two weeks ago, encountered the Floo...err Hive. I like it. I've not paid attention to the review scores and I see no real point now. Its fun.
 
I just don't want PvP considerations making a weapon less effective in PvE, but I guess that's inevitable.

The problem with PVP is the 30 FPS and the networking. Its OK medium range, but I just shot gunned a guy 6 feet away while running behind him (no super) and then he skipped away.

Think the PVP will die when COD AW comes out.
 
To get the queens gear so that you can wear it and look awesome?

Isn't that the entire point of loot games?

Get loot, look cool.
But you need loot that's actually good, because of the way they designed the lvl system after 20.

If your not at the correct lvl you can't do certain difficulties, can't do the raids etc.

That armor isn't even unique as well.
 

Nah I probably missed in the spam of butthurt going on.

It looks like you need 4 upgrades, though 2 of them are on the Queen's helm which won't require shards. So you'll need 12 shards. The first tier of upgrades in the final column on armor is only 1 light, but you'll be at 96 with the two non-shard upgrades on the helm so it doesn't really matter which two upgrades you purchase after that.
 
My desire to play this game took a nose dive. I was really digging the game up until the past couple days, then it just sorta fell off. I progressed reasonably quick, I actually had decent luck with the cryptarch and PvP rewards, I was already 27 when people found out about the cave. Been at 27 for what seems like forever due to lack of shards dropping. I have 28 Ascendent Energy for weapons, I think I've gotten maybe 5 shards this entire week, I just got my first exotic weapon last night, but I really don't feel like playing to upgrade it. Yesterday, I was pretty much done with the game, and then my buddy told me about being able to get Queen's gear to break for shards, so last night I did a couple missions and finally got some shards rolling in, a glimmer of hope. Then, while I'm at work, I find out about the hot fix which pretty much deflated the little bit of desire I had to play.

Great game play, just too much missing. Also seems like Bungie threw a lot of basic game design fundamentals out the window. Forcing players to leave the game to learn about the story is just flat stupid, I don't get how that idea made it past the white board.
 
"I have to answer your posts because reasons."

No, you don't. Click my name, hit the ignore. It's most likely a popular way of solving the Marcel problem. Move on and get over that people don't have opinions that coordinate with yours.

Aww, you're adorable. Good call on the ignore though, done and done. Hope you pull your head out of your ass someday and find some sunshine. Bye, Marcel.
 
Reposting for new page:

Hey guys, I'm looking into putting a team together to challenge the level 30 version of the raid. I'm level 29 and I got a friend who's 29 as well. We're looking for four other level 29 soldiers to join us. If possible we would like to try it in a couple of hours. Who's in?

PSN: Wretched_Walrus

PS: It would be awesome if you could also join my clan (BulletLove), so we all get the clan raider trophy.

This is the kind of level-headedness I want to see.
 
Saw this on twitter..cannot stop laughing. And it's pretty accurate.

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Needs one more panel where he takes it to the Cryptarch and it decrypts into a green.
 
The Queens gear is the same as my gear just with a different mark. woo.....

Well,

that's it's own problem right.. but like in PSO people would lose their mind to get a MAG that looked like a Sega Saturn even if it functionally did very little beyond other top flight mags that looked less cool.

So, that's sort of the thing right, they need to figure out how to make you want gear that is super hard to get which has the exclusive payoff of looking cooler to people you raid with than the super exclusive gear they have had for 4-5 months.
 
The problem with PVP is the 30 FPS and the networking. Its OK medium range, but I just shot gunned a guy 6 feet away while running behind him (no super) and then he skipped away.

Think the PVP will die when COD AW comes out.

I think we can all agree on this, though I don't know about "die". There will likely be a migration. There always is when the competing shooter and CoD come out around the same time.
 
Part of the issue seems to be people are only playing the game for loot and not to actually play the game (i.e. the strikes and raids only have value insofar as they give me loot, not for their own merit).
The problem isn't that people are playing it only for the loot, but that you need the loot to play it. Without Legendary gear you cant even enter Nightfall or Raid I think, which right now are the only ways to have an decent chance at better gear.

Even if you go the Vanguard/Crucible route, theres still the weekly mark cap which puts another wall at progressing.

They really need to do something to ease the lv24/25 barrier.
 
Huh, really? It doesn't feel like leveling my helmet will push me very far but I haven't really looked at the number breakdowns.

I should clarify.

I have done all upgrades on my legendary helm and chest piece except for the last row which require shards. I have done all upgrades on my legendary boots except for the last shard upgrade (need 6 more).

I have done all upgrades on my exotic gauntlets i bought from xur, including the last row which required shards.
my profile if you wanna take a look:
http://www.bungie.net/en/Legend/2/4611686018429250014/2305843009215162078#gear
 
I seriously can't believe they just made it so Queen's armor doesn't give shards.
As if grinding out shards wasn't difficult enough already. Excellent...

In brighter news, I finished upgrading my Bad JuJu, and the instant reloads are amazing for activities without bullet sponges.
 
Well,

that's it's own problem right.. but like in PSO people would lose their mind to get a MAG that looked like a Sega Saturn even if it functionally did very little beyond other top flight mags that looked less cool.

So, that's sort of the thing right, they need to figure out how to make you want gear that is super hard to get which has the exclusive payoff of looking cooler to people you raid with than the super exclusive gear they have had for 4-5 months.

I want a Ghost shell that looks like a PS4.
 
we need more people like you in the thread to combat the madness, not less.

If you wipe in a darkness zone and restart at the previous checkpoint, the drop rate for engrams goes down. This is to stop people from farming We've Awoken the Hive! or the Circle of Bones or Shrine of Oryx. The side effect is that noone is going to feel like challenging themselves and doing high level raids because the odds of wiping are higher and that now means your odds of getting loot are going to suffer. By stopping a few people from farming they've done a really good job of fucking things up, in my opinion.
I don't think that's right. I believe it means that the engrams don't hang around for you to pick back up after you've died in a no-respawn zone, like they did in a lot of the farming parts of the story.
 
Holy shit just been reading the patch notes...
WTF am I suppose to do now to get a Legendary Primary weapon!? Buy one?! Its impossible unless I wait for next week to do that! God dammit Bungie!!
I just hope the RNG Space Lords bless me with something...

Wait a week to buy a one or wait for who knows how long to get a legendary to begin with, which isn't including if you prefer one weapon type over another.
 
My desire to play this game took a nose dive. I was really digging the game up until the past couple days, then it just sorta fell off. I progressed reasonably quick, I actually had decent luck with the cryptarch and PvP rewards, I was already 27 when people found out about the cave. Been at 27 for what seems like forever due to lack of shards dropping. I have 28 Ascendent Energy for weapons, I think I've gotten maybe 5 shards this entire week, I just got my first exotic weapon last night, but I really don't feel like playing to upgrade it. Yesterday, I was pretty much done with the game, and then my buddy told me about being able to get Queen's gear to break for shards, so last night I did a couple missions and finally got some shards rolling in, a glimmer of hope. Then, while I'm at work, I find out about the hot fix which pretty much deflated the little bit of desire I had to play.

Great game play, just too much missing. Also seems like Bungie threw a lot of basic game design fundamentals out the window. Forcing players to leave the game to learn about the story is just flat stupid, I don't get how that idea made it past the white board.

Generally if there is a way to actually progress in this game outside of Bungies 100 Mark/faction a week limit, Bungie will remove it.

They decided that instead of providing actual content, they will just remove progression.
 
If I was to make argument that Fusion Rifles need range and/or damage decrease along with AR's and Shotties what would be yours, Fusion Rifle users, response? I'm genuinely interested to hear your opinions on this.

Why hard counter weapon for short to long mid range should stay unchanged?

If you say "skill" can you explain that to me? Is there more to it than spamming right trigger to maintain charge and then fire from hip?

No troll.
 
This is common with games like these especially with games that have so many short-comings there will be some blow-back initially, majority of the 'I am done' guys will still be here posting.
 
Well, the best place to farm now is Venus, Ishtar Commons. The area with the crashed Fallen ship. Vex on one side, Fallen on the other and they just keep on comin'... and not only that, sometimes they amp up and tons of majors and ultras come out. Aaaaah, droppin' fuckin' engrams!
 
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