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[MagicWithEarvin]

Wow Xur is really selling the Suros Regime? There goes the PvP neighborhood... and I've been so busy doing PvP I don't have the coins for it lmao

People will drop it once they realize it doesn't fire faster than the Shingen or Galahad. Seriously, level 25+ players are still using those guns online and it baffles me.

Can it downgrade to Legendary or Rare like an Engram from a drop can?

Nope, guaranteed exotic.

 

[AmateurHour212]

Got Bad Seed Down pulse rifle. Anyone have any experience with it? Thoughts? Don't want to upgrade too far if it isn't worth it.

 

[LeonSPBR]

New LOOT CAVE found already lol

WHERE???????????????

 

[Wallach]

Can it downgrade to Legendary or Rare like an Engram from a drop can?

Negative. Potential results are always listed on the engrams, and these can only reward exotic items.

 

[jaaz]

Can you get strange coins for doing both the weekly heroic (6) and the nightfall strike (9) in one week (for a total of 15), or do you only get strange coins for whichever you complete first?

 

[The real Butters]

So the helmet engram, feels iffy as a warlock. I mean, there's already a warlock helmet in there.

Would you gamble for the chance of another exotic helmet?

 

[Lighthouse]

The disc eject issue is a common one. Your console was just trying to do that with no disc inside.

Different people have different explanations and solutions. I just called Sony and had then replace it. I'd give them a ring ASAP so you can get back to your game right away.

None of the so called fixes worked for me so mines going in for repair. It's been an ongoing issue for months.

If you bought your ps4 on launch, make sure you send it in by November while its still under warranty.

 

[Twilight Gap]

ohai, salvage is back this weekend.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

Shit I already have Icebreaker (sniper) exotic but Sauros Prime would be awesome... There's no point getting it right? Wish there wasn't a limit on exotics

 

[le.phat]

you could've bought that for 13 last week if i'm not mistaken

yup, and i was bummed out that i missed it

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

Is it just me or does Xur hate Warlocks?

Sunbreakers two weeks in a row and then the ugliest helm in the entire game.... c'mon Xur, buddy!?

Titans and Hunters have been getting some awesome stuff. Looks like i'll skip the worm faced bastard yet again another week.

Xur thinks that Warlocks are magnificent bastards and they don't need to look any cooler than they do already.

 

[Wallach]

Shit I already have Icebreaker (sniper) exotic but Sauros Prime would be awesome... There's no point getting it right? Wish there wasn't a limit on exotics

I wouldn't plan on carrying one exotic weapon forever. For example you won't have much use for Ice Breaker in a Void/Arc Burn modifier strike. You should probably plan to collect a number of different exotic weapons and armors so you can switch out things to better fit future scenarios.

 

[Twilight Gap]

People will drop it once they realize it doesn't fire faster than the Shingen or Galahad. Seriously, level 25+ players are still using those guns online and it baffles me.

Shingen-E is reliable, but if the Suros does work i'll be keeping it with me.

 

[Suirrad]

The exotic engrams he sells will be for a particular slot, just like other engrams. This week it is a helm slot. It doesn't seem like it is weighted by class so you will get a random exotic helm from the entire exotic helm pool.

Thanks for the reply. Sucks I have enough Motes for an engram but not enough coins for the AR ;_;

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

Can you get strange coins for doing both the weekly heroic (6) and the nightfall strike (9) in one week (for a total of 15), or do you only get strange coins for whichever you complete first?

You can only earn 9 strange coins per week from the weekly heroic strike, the nightfall strike doesn't reward you with strange coins, it rewards you with a legendary or exotic.

 

[Klyka]

gotta love how bungie said making the cryptarch random gave him a 'personality'. he's no more 1-dimensional than any of the other vendors. if by personality, they mean it gave us a reason to hate him, then sure.

well to be fair, making it random turned him into the most talked about, most meme'd and most loved/hated/divine NPC in the game.

So yeah he certainly got "personality" XD

 

[RazorUK]

People will drop it once they realize it doesn't fire faster than the Shingen or Galahad. Seriously, level 25+ players are still using those guns online and it baffles me.

Yeah, especially with the 2nd upgrade which reduces fire rate when zooming in. The gun really rewards players who can aim and land headshots but you can't afford to miss shots.
You're not able to spray and pray like with the other guns.

 

[figadapaura]

Is there a reasonably fast way to level up a gun? Should I do strikes or crucible?

 

[T.O.P]

Really?

Oh hell naw, Bungie already on the move

WHERE???????????????

Where is this magical place?

WHERE!!!!!???

Dude was streaming it for a bit, it's on Old Russia - Rocketyard, i'll make a video later if i have time

 

[Sutton Dagger]

I wouldn't plan on carrying one exotic weapon forever. For example you won't have much use for Ice Breaker in a Void/Arc Burn modifier strike. You should probably plan to collect a number of different exotic weapons and armors so you can switch out things to better fit future scenarios.

Hmmm you're probably right, alright Sauros here I come

 

[jaaz]

You can only earn 9 strange coins per week from the weekly heroic strike, the nightfall strike doesn't reward you with strange coins, it rewards you with a legendary or exotic.

Got it. Thanks.

 

[Tawpgun]

Is suros good at pve?

My main pve weapon has been that rare maverick hand cannon with 11 rounds.

I've been wanting something more powerful for raid

 

[Acorn]

7 coins in 2 days for suros.

I'm boned

 

[Victory Red]

I need 4 strange coins and already did all the weekly's.

Feels bad.

What do you get for dismantling exotics?

 

[Hawkian]

I knew you wouldn't stay away for long. Lol

xur was a balm.

Yo, I really don't want to poop on your face hawkian (because I like you) but goddamn, I don't understand why you're so defensive about everything in this thread.

misunderstood me. that sucks, because I tried to be very clear. I've been accused of this before, with many other games. I don't care about people criticizing or disliking or hating the game. it affects me to the tune of none at all. people misunderstanding the game is rough all over, because 1) I like to help people help themselves and 2) I'd like this thread to be a sort of home for the duration of my time with Destiny, and it sucks when so much time is devoted to complaints voiced by people who aren't getting it

You shouldn't be making this post I agree.

I didn't say that. I said I shouldn't have to. kind of a crappy thing to say, actually.

Destiny is a financial success, but that is on the strength of the marketing campaign. It was a success long before anyone actually got to play it.

it did have a superlative marketing campaign!

people including me played the beta. -_-

Furthermore something being a financial success does not mean it's good, nor does it guarantee any kind of longevity, people pick up and drop games like bricks all of the time. Destiny does need urgent help because an overwhelming majority the people that have invested real hours are getting tired of playing the game. They're tired of chasing a carrot you can't catch and grinding for a carrot you can only eat slowly piecemeal style. And you can't have a succesful always online multiplayer game without people playing.

We'll see what happens. Timeframe on how long it will take to die?

will need more clarification on the "core gameplay loop" statement. What is addictive about being frustrated to the point of breaking? Grinding for marks, repeating the same bounties? It's repetitive, not addicting. The core gameplay loop is badly thought out imo, it's filled with interruptions, dead space in the form of loading and travel time, and a general sense of I'll do this because it's what Bungie wants me to do. To the point where if I do something I personally enjoy too much Bungie will pull the plug on the little rewards I do receive to make me go do something I enjoy less.

your experience just doesn't mesh with mine If it's not addictive to you then more power to you, but wow. Sometimes I want to dare people in this thread to stop playing.

Core gameplay loop (all steps are optional, you just always find yourself somewhere in this loop) = form your fireteam, ideally on voice, load up on bounties if you have any open slots, load up on ammo synthesis if you're low, choose an activity (be it a strike, patrol, daily story, weekly heroic, weekly nightfall, crucible gametype, etc.), do it until completion for everything but patrol, and patrol when each of you get a few engrams, hit tower, dismantle/restock/rebounty -> back to start of loop

I've played with you, I enjoyed it, Because I enjoyed talking with you and xinfamous. I hated every second of gameplay we were doing, jumping off the cliff shooting dudes and repeating.

Lol that was the only time I'd ever done that! hahahahah. I agree, that gameplay wasn't fun in the slightest though it was fun goofing around.

I don't remember what level I was but I didn't fully understand the progression in the game at the time. I'm sure it was before writing my guide.

It was however the most efficient strategy of receiving extra drops, since I was maxed out on vanguard and crucible tokens at the time.

Not really. If you were literally just looking for drops of some kind, it's crucible. Crucible all around. This is because the loot table for Crucible reward rolls includes things like outright Legendary/Exotic weapons and ascendant materials, rather than necessarily having to go through the engram system.

Drops that were at that point in time crucial to my further progress in the game.

What level were you? I'm curious how that was possible.

That drop never came, what happened instead is that I banged my head into a wall repeating the same segments of gameplay ad infinitum in the hopes of things changing. I eventually bought all of my legendaries like virtually everyone else, I didn't want to though, because I had already calculated the timedelay inherent in having to wait to grind up enough marks to do so. That's not addictive, it's straight up telling me to go do something else, anything else, since my progress for this week is capped anyway.

This whole bit confused me, I'm sorry. buying your first set of legendaries is indeed what you're supposed to do.

The GAF community for destiny is going to be transient, I know a lot of the people on my friendlist have already moved on, and I've honestly joined them. But I understand why you enjoy making connections and just hanging out with people it's fun. I've had a lot of fun in terrible games because of the company I kept, it doesn't make the game better though. But even on this front we're hamstrung by Bungie having a very specific idea in terms of how you're allowed to connect. I don't enjoy posting on GAF in a spammy kind of way just to get people to play with, but due to the incomplete nature of Bungie's systems of communication that's what I've been reduced too.

I've been having a lot of fun with a variety of GAFers in essentially all modes of play.

I'd like to try the raid, I wouldn't mind trying it with a pickup group but this game trains you to be view other guardians as little more than some sort of distant A.I. It blocks off virtually all channels of communication because people might get trolled, but at the same time it also blocks off virtually all positive communication. I'm tired of having to wave at a dude to say thanks for a rez. Or dancing because we're happy we made it through a dungeon. It's ludicrous that this hasn't been fixed yet, it was one of the primary complaints during the beta and it's taken them a long time to even adress it as a perceived problem. I could have sworn that'd be the number 1 thing they'd fix from the beta.

If you don't wish to form a raid group with people on GAF, you can try www.destinylfg.net - not to be used in advance, but as you wish to start the raid.

You keep claiming reviews are incomplete because they lack a review for raid content and other very time investment heavy gameplay scenarios. I find them to generally accurate however, the reviews adequately cover everything I have done and repeated for my 3 days of playtime. Including the lack of raiding.

*shrug* I've done up to the last phase of the first boss and it's incredible.

My only hopes of raiding are to troll the web LFG'ing for days hoping to find a bunch of dudes that want to do it and are of a high enough level and are free at the same time as I am. That's fucking ridiculous. If you're going to place that kind of barrier on your content it may as well be unreviewable.

I'll be happy to offer my review when I beat it -_-

There is no way to connect to anyone in the game. For a goddamn 6 man raid mind you. I played vanilla wow, I did every single dungeon with random groups of people I met in the game, I even formed a guild that successfully raided Molten Core from dudes I met while playing the game. I can't say the same for Destiny. I've connected with absolutely nobody via destiny, the few social experiences I've had have all been launched by neogaf.

Again if you're unwilling to pursue those "Launched By GAF" connections for the raid, www.destinylfg.net

I read it all, I disagree, I hope you'll read my statement of disagreement.

I read it! hope you can tell that's true at least.

I think the comic is apt, it isn't saying these things are alike it's saying what you're saying these things aren't alike.

It's directly comparing them. I don't know how you can interpret it otherwise. that's a real stretch, honestly.

It's also a statement on how it feels to play each of these games, in all 3 of them there is a constant roll happening, every minute you're playing rolls for loot are happening and you can visibly see the results all over the map in 2 of them. The same rolls for loot are happening in destiny too, only they produce results about 2% of the time, making it feel like nothing is happening. To further compound the issue of that 2% of the time that something actually pops out of a dude you're shooting it's most likely nothing of value to you.

My understanding of what's actually valuable in this game has evolved a little bit- I used to think that a legendary for another class was worthless, but ascendant materials from dismantled legendaries are actually critical. Anyway, it doesn't really matter- this paragraph reads a WHOLE lot like you didn't get my "not a loot system" thesis.

You say it's impossible to not make some kind of progress but you're so wrong it's not even funny. Virtually all possible progress is capped to some extent, so it's quite possible to reach a point where your progress isn't progress at all.

I wouldn't say that all possible progress is capped, no. In fact that's ridiculous. There's certainly no cap on Reputation, and every Rank of Reputation is a guaranteed reward, likely a legendary. But regardless, when I said that about "An Hour in Destiny" I certainly didn't mean "An Hour in Destiny When You've Already Capped Both Your Vanguard and Crucible Marks for that Week." Hell I don't even know if I'm going to cap mine this week; I actually have goals that won't mean maxed marks necessarily.

You cannot progress to 30 without doing the raid, you cannot progress to 30 without getting lucky in the raid and getting very specific pieces of gear to drop for you. You'll have to wait 3 weeks regardless, and you'll still be at the mercy of an RNG.

This is totally true. 29 to 30 you're at the mercy of RNG in the raid, though thankfully not engrams.

Furthermore 2 of the rewards that are uncapped (Strange coins & Motes of light) require you to be online at a specific point in time, to find a merchant you're never told about, in a randomized location in a hub world you race through. You wouldn't know about Xur without the internet telling you when and where to find him. Anytime Xur is not available your progress is being needlessly delayed. If you miss Xur I hope you enjoy waiting for him to come around once more.

We're just on completely different pages. I found Xur without being told and I love him.

Holy fuck Xur is my favorite ever.

I agree with you that these systems are the core progression in destiny and I find them to be immensely unenjoyable. I don't enjoy saving coins which I'm collecting randomly(with a few guaranteed a day) hoping Xur is going to show up with something I want. I don't enjoy wearing the same storebought armor every single other warlock is wearing, and I don't enjoy feeling like my enjoyment is on timedelay because Bungie is afraid of me running out of content.

Just sounds like you... don't like the game?

You say I should play how I want, but that's obviously not the case here. I should play what Bungie wants me to play when they want me to play it. If I play too much of something Bungie is going to tell me I shouldn't. If I enjoy something and repeat it Bungie is like that's fine but now there's no reward. It's dull, it's simplestic and it's the most annoying way of elongating your content possible.

What do you mean about telling you you shouldn't? Because of the mark cap?

Again, we're just looking at things really differently. Once you've got a basic set of endgame gear, which didn't take me more than 10 days, 100 marks from each side every week actually kind of gives you pretty decent leeway, especially in light of the idea that you will want to focus on raid gear rather than replacement legendaries. It's LESS restrictive than I first thought it was (and i was still okay with it then -_-)

You seem to interpret people's complaints on the loot system as some sort of derisive remark on the quality of the games grind based progression system.

Hm... no, not really. that's not accurate.

People are dissapointed with the looting because it's dull, uninspiring, and not fun. When 98% of the icing on your cake is feces, your cake is defective. Especially if the cake is just the same bland vanilla cake day in - day out, with no respite.

Graphic. I dont agree.

Xur is here, everyone bought the suros ar, nobody feels like they accomplished anything. Everyone that grinded out the coins now has a suros ar. Just like all of the warlocks had sunsinger gauntlets and it's the same boring dripfeed ad infinitum.[/QUOTE
Please speak for yourself. I feel like I have accomplished quite a bit, especially considering I was able to afford both everything I wanted and progress an exotic bounty at the same time this week.

 

[Tawpgun]

7 coins in 2 days for suros.

I'm boned

Have you done the weekly?

 

[Wallach]

You can only earn 9 strange coins per week from the weekly heroic strike, the nightfall strike doesn't reward you with strange coins, it rewards you with a legendary or exotic.

You can actually get Strange Coins or any other ascendant materials in a lump sum as a Nightfall reward instead of equipment.

 

[figadapaura]

Shit I already have Icebreaker (sniper) exotic but Sauros Prime would be awesome... There's no point getting it right? Wish there wasn't a limit on exotics

If you think you might use it, why not? You'll never have a better chance of getting one of the best ARs in the game.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

Is suros good at pve?

My main pve weapon has been that rare maverick hand cannon with 11 rounds.

I've been wanting something more powerful for raid

It's one of the best guns for PVE fully upgraded.

 

[X-Frame]

You can only earn 9 strange coins per week from the weekly heroic strike, the nightfall strike doesn't reward you with strange coins, it rewards you with a legendary or exotic.

Not true actually, someone I played with got 9 Strange Coins as a reward for beating the Nightfall this past Tuesday.

 

[The Rain King]

Anyone want to do the level 26 weekly heroic with me?

 

[Johan Liebert]

Looking to do the level 28 and level 22 weekly heroic strike (did level 26 one) anyone interested please add me, will be coming online in an hour.

PS4: Unknown837

 

[robertsan21]

Todays loot from Xur

Exotic knucklehead radar and got a exotic engram that gave me a titan helmet.

 

[TheCanisDirus]

It's one of the best guns for PVE fully upgraded.

But i thought Bungie said they were nerfing Auto Rifles in that update post yesterday? Won't that affect it negatively?

 

[Hawkian]

Is suros good at pve?

My main pve weapon has been that rare maverick hand cannon with 11 rounds.

I've been wanting something more powerful for raid

It's an absolute monster even not upgraded.

 

[Acorn]

Have you done the weekly?

Yup

 

[blazeuk]

People will drop it once they realize it doesn't fire faster than the Shingen or Galahad. Seriously, level 25+ players are still using those guns online and it baffles me.

This would not surprise me, I think it's great but the way some people seem to play with the AR's they'll likely not do particularly well with the slower fire rate up close against something faster, it's much more of a weapon for a balanced setup, using it as a medium range weapon and switching between that and the special weapon regularly.

 

[Navid]

Just got the same helmet from the engram as well, very happy as it was exactly the exotic armour piece I wanted for my Warlock.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

Not true actually, someone I played with got 9 Strange Coins as a reward for beating the Nightfall this past Tuesday.

Say what? That's nice, I'd rather get 9 from there than what I've been getting from rewards. I think you can only get a reward from Nightfall once a week though, right?

 

[Diablohead]

Nothing too hot from Xur for me this weekend, just going to save my coins.

 

[ethomaz]

Suros Regime or Hard Light?

And I need a chest for my Warlock... you disappointed me Xur

 

[Acrylic7]

so they patched the treasure cave?

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

But i thought Bungie said they were nerfing Auto Rifles in that update post yesterday? Won't that affect it negatively?

They're probably only nerfing the range in a future patch since Bungie mentioned they're too effective at long range.

 

[Twilight Gap]

suros > machine gun

 

[Bunta]

so they patched the treasure cave?

Yes.

 

[LiK]

People will drop it once they realize it doesn't fire faster than the Shingen or Galahad. Seriously, level 25+ players are still using those guns online and it baffles me.



Nope, guaranteed exotic.

Yea, currently using Suros CGB and it fires slower but has more dmg. But the slower fire rate is killing me in PVP. Glad I kept my Galahad. Gonna go back to that tonight. Sick of losing to another AR guy with faster FR.

 

[Orthogonal]

Write down the exact date and time you said that, gamechanger.

PLEASE READ IF YOU... FUCK IT, JUST PLEASE READ


Let me get it out of the way: the progression system in Destiny is fantastic.

I've learned over the past couple days that it is altogether unwise to use the phrase "loot system" at all. It has loot, sure. Some pretty sweet loot actually. But "loot system" evokes images of the same kind of gear progression found in Diablo, Path of Exile, Borderlands, Marvel Heroes, Torchlight, and many others.

Destiny does not feature one of these systems. Splitting up the design structures this way, Destiny cannot be said to have a bad "loot system," as it does not have one at all. But the progression system in Destiny is fantastic.

Really good write-up, and I did read all of it. I do think it is a "loot system", just an unconventional "loot system". Since it doesn't adhere to standard conventions setup in many other loot RPG's it is a bit of an enigma to most folks and it doesn't help that Bungie did a less than stellar job in communicating the systems and intended method of progression to players.

With the faction system, we get guaranteed loot and progression with a fair amount of investment, but since it does take some time to get the first real payoff, people resort to standing in front of a cave and shooting mobs for hours on end. Even though this is way less productive in real terms, it feels more productive due to the more frequent "payout".

It would be nice if the factions played a more prominent role in the narrative and mission structure of the game, but even without that, it would probably be a good idea for the factions to be pushed much earlier than level 20. Yes, folks are getting rep for Vanguard and Crucible from bounties early on, but the association with faction rank and eventual rewards is never quite linked until well into the end-game. They can keep Legendary armor locked behind 3500 rep, but that should be like rank 5 or 6 or something. It should start as early as experience level 10 where players start unlocking rank 1 or 2 from the first few bounties turned in and seeing low level faction gear unlocking to purchase from whatever faction they are a part of. This way it is just a natural extension into the end-game progression towards legendary's.

 

[Omni]

I did the raid but I didn't get the white shader?

I thought you were supposed to? Or is that random too? Blah

 

[Pilgor]

Already have the Crest of Alpha Lupi. Now everyone will have it

Skipping Xur this week, holding out for Monte Carlo.

 

[funkypie]

Can't believe you can buy the best gun in the game. Everyone in PvP has it now.