I will add you (PSN: keltin99) how many hours should I reserve?
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I will add you (PSN: keltin99) how many hours should I reserve?
nah it's all RNG, I tried 5 bounties at once, nada
Yeah. Once the information is out there and the first YouTube videos are posted, those not able to get dedicated groups will begin to clear the encounters. It's trickle down raiding and it happens in WoW all the time. Dedicated guilds finish the content first, that information is put out there, and eventually the more casual players can also complete that content.
Maybe I'm just accustomed to harder encounters, but the raid isn't really that difficult once you've experienced it a few times.
No, If you die you can just wipe and restart the encounter. Once you reach a checkpoint you're good, and will start from there.
Pound_lb003
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I'm on 38 Motes, and I want one of the marks, but I also want an Exotic engram from Xur, post patch.
Decisions decisions.
This was actually surprising to me. Clearing trash mobs in a raid is just second nature to me by now, but this game does away with them completely. It doesn't make sense because adding trash mobs would offer 3 benefits:
1 - increased chance of loot. Make certain raid-only items drop from trash.
2 - gunplay is the best part of Destiny, so I want to shoot shit. Let me do it, not jump around and do stealth parts.
3 - makes the raid longer. This can be seen as a negative I guess, but a plus for Bungie, and no one would have complained about it.
I think you need a K/D of at least 0.4 to make progress on the bounty so if your K/D is below that then yes, it's impossible.
Nameless
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Same here. Completed 6/25 so far. Shouldn't be too difficult since I'll be playing strikes for bounties and marks anyway. Nevermind helping friends beat the weekly.
I chose the Bad Juju bounty because it looked liked the one I could complete by playing naturally. 25 strikes, 10k crucible points is pretty straight forward. The others were filled with tedious task I had no interest in sludging through.
AmateurHour212
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Whoa... no revives at all? I assume there are revives at the checkpoints at least?
Exactly. Hell, Dungeon Finders and Raid Finders often give their own set of incentives to use the tool. In TOR, using the group finder for raids and clearing it would give more currency to go buy lower-tier endgame gear to help newer folks prepare to do the harder raid content to get the more legit gear.
I'm of the opinion normal mode VoG needs matchmaking. Heroic doesn't need it considering how a single death makes an encounter exponentially harder.
Getting swamp on left. Rightside is easier to protect but left is exposed. You got enemies coming from the stairs in the front, stairs on the right, and from where the Templar is at. You got almost no cover whatsoever with that one.
And then there's the lag.
UnluckyKate
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Cheese it. Make a fireteam. And ask your buddies to run into you. In a 6 player rumble, you usually get one AFK, two people running and gunning, you and your two buddies. In 4 to 5 game its done. Also, it doesn't reset : a kill givesy ou 5 points, a death takes you 2 points.
Forget that crap lol and I don't think there are any rewards.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
ethomaz
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Twilight Gap
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nightfall, weekly and daily all need optional matchmaking. an appropriate gear check at each difficulty and voice chat will keep things smooth and seamless.
raids can't have matchmaking unless they add a lower difficulty with waypoints on top of gear checks and voice chat. a better solution would be to integrate a clan's list in-game and make it easier to find players who want to raid.
as was said earlier, the raid requires time, patience, effort and communication. in a way, grouping for the raid prepares one for the actual challenge in the game mode.
Can warlocks still self-res?
Yeah, hitting a checkpoint makes everyone dead revive I believe. However, that conflux part is piss long. Having a single person die in the first phase may as well be a wipe unless someone is a beast at managing their ammo.
figadapaura
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I love it. Really don't get the hate. I assume those people just can't aim.
you don't get anything for it, boggles the mind
You see no difference between players commuting to the process of taking the time to actively search for others by going outside of the game, waiting for everyone to be ready, etc...
and
Clicking on a mm button.
No difference at all?
Exactly. I made this point earlier and I believe it to be very true.
Thanks for your civil response, but all you've done is describe exactly the kind of scenario I'm talking about. You used the LFG system. The other people using it sought out the exact same listing. By the most absolutely basic definition everyone involved had a solid idea of what they were getting into and wanted to participate. Have you not run into someone on a matchmade strike that didn't know what they were doing?
Other games are irrelevant; I'm not even sure if there's a single other first person shooter raid in existence, and I didn't even come within a city block of suggesting that your idea wasn't possible to implement. Just that it was way, way more work than implementing a simple in-game listings board to specify content and details.
A group of players who have all finished the raid is a completely different story from 6 who have never attempted it. Or 3 who have finished it and 3 who haven't. I have heard different things about what "requires coordination" or not but surely, the 6 of you from GAF communicated with one another to accomplish the raid.
You're only envisioning the positive outcomes of matchmaking. 6 strangers who know what to do are automatically grouped together and complete the raid without saying a word. That sounds great, but what percentage of matchmade groups would have this experience?
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Yup.
Unknown One
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There should be MM in the raid since we have the option to pair up anyways. People should have the option.
does the weapon you use matter? someone said they used a void shotgun?
Doing nightfall counts as 3 strikes while the weekly counts as two.
So whenever somebody asks to do the nightfall, jump on it. Lol
Holy hell at that lag!
Every time we get the "A Vex has sacrificed itself" message for center, I keep wondering where the hell it (the vex) came from cause it sure as hell did t come from the middle since we had two covering that and the sides were also covered.
davidbloop
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Anyone need someone for final boss for raid? I've finished everything up to him just haven't killed him yet.
Otherwise if anyone wants to setup a party with me I have a checkpoint at that point ready. PSN davidbloop level 29 hunter.
Also, PSN is acting up a bit so I'm unable to search players right now, so would need people to message me.
Otherwise if anyone wants to setup a party with me I have a checkpoint at that point ready. PSN davidbloop level 29 hunter.
Also, PSN is acting up a bit so I'm unable to search players right now, so would need people to message me.
Marvel
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We magnificent Sunbro's can, yiss
Confidence Man
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That's not even the hard part of the bounty.
Just for fun;
3d 5h 45m
2 Nightfall completes
2 Normal Raid completes
0 Legendary / Exotic Crucible rewards.
2 Legendary Nightfall rewards
1 Legendary rank-up reward ( Vanguard / The Devil You Know )
0 Exotic Nightfall rewards
3 Exotic Bounties ( Invective - finished, Thorn - in progress, Super Good Advice - finished & scrapped )
3 Raid Weapons ( Atheon's Epiloque, Corrective Measure, Praedyth's Revenge )
0 Raid Armor Pieces
2 Exotics bought from Xur ( Sunbreakers, Apotheosis Veil - scrapped )
0 Exotics received from Engrams
< 10 Legendaries received from Engrams
3d 5h 45m
2 Nightfall completes
2 Normal Raid completes
0 Legendary / Exotic Crucible rewards.
2 Legendary Nightfall rewards
1 Legendary rank-up reward ( Vanguard / The Devil You Know )
0 Exotic Nightfall rewards
3 Exotic Bounties ( Invective - finished, Thorn - in progress, Super Good Advice - finished & scrapped )
3 Raid Weapons ( Atheon's Epiloque, Corrective Measure, Praedyth's Revenge )
0 Raid Armor Pieces
2 Exotics bought from Xur ( Sunbreakers, Apotheosis Veil - scrapped )
0 Exotics received from Engrams
< 10 Legendaries received from Engrams
GuitarAtomik
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I think MM for Raids is a viable possibility BUT it needs to be a pretty advanced version of it. It needs to go farther than requiring mics. Basically steal the MMO model of queuing (and call it that so people are aware it's different):
- Start the process by entering a queue.
- That process logs your level, and your class and subclass's levels and matches you with others based on that.
- If no mic is connected, you can't enter the queue.
- Once it matches a group, the game notifies you and sends you a limited time invitation (maybe 1mn).
- Accepting the invitation locks you in to committing to the Raid and bailing on it penalizes you somehow (Not sure what. Maybe you do less damage or can't earn marks for 24 hours).
- Since this process takes a lot longer than the normal matchmaking, you are free to do whatever else until the invitation is sent.
- During the Raid, you can vote on kicking players or on abandoning the Raid without penalty.
Add in a warning screen or two explaining to the player what they're about to get in to and something like that could work, but I imagine it's not so easy to implement. There are also some flaws with it like disconnects out of your control (which happens to me a LOT), and you could plug in a mic and disconnect it later. But as an option, it's better than nothing.
- Start the process by entering a queue.
- That process logs your level, and your class and subclass's levels and matches you with others based on that.
- If no mic is connected, you can't enter the queue.
- Once it matches a group, the game notifies you and sends you a limited time invitation (maybe 1mn).
- Accepting the invitation locks you in to committing to the Raid and bailing on it penalizes you somehow (Not sure what. Maybe you do less damage or can't earn marks for 24 hours).
- Since this process takes a lot longer than the normal matchmaking, you are free to do whatever else until the invitation is sent.
- During the Raid, you can vote on kicking players or on abandoning the Raid without penalty.
Add in a warning screen or two explaining to the player what they're about to get in to and something like that could work, but I imagine it's not so easy to implement. There are also some flaws with it like disconnects out of your control (which happens to me a LOT), and you could plug in a mic and disconnect it later. But as an option, it's better than nothing.
Fuck yo rules hard raid. Imma revive doh. Look at me and wish to be so brave!
Pop
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Probably not
I would think Bungie would want to get it out on Tuesday for the start of the week.
AR has been good for me in PVE, pulse and scout has been very poor in comparison. Hopefully they give pulse and scout a good buff soon.
This is what I use now, not the best I've had but it's the only lvl 20 one I have. I'll probably just buy a Shadow Price this week.
Some will literally spawn in the back right next to the conflux. I tested it out. A hobgoblin will spawn in the back left sometimes and walk right up to the conflux in the first phase sometimes. Also Goblins will teleport past you to get to the conflux.
We had pretty bad lag during the Templar fight too. It didn't go away until we all died and respawned. I think that part is pretty intense for the consoles. I can't imagine how it fares on 360/PS3.
Let me try phrasing it this way:
What is the benefit of matchmaking over an in-game LFG listing tool that allows to leave a description?
See, this works but is so much more complicated than just a simple board >_<
MADGAME
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No real arguments against anything you said, except I don't believe Raid matchmaking, if it existed, would require a lower difficulty. It isn't overly hard at all at the right level and with the right equipment, just requires some coordination and role assignments. If communication is there, it is possible without a difficulty nerf. Also, as time progresses, more and more will have completed and be familiar with all the intricacies of the raid. I'm willing to bet if you take 6 random people who have completed the raid at least twice and put them in a group, they will be able to synergize and rip Atheon a new one.
Welp I know I'm bringing a fuckin TEAM of sunsingers with me when I do the hard raid. So good for raids.
Marvel
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They were using cardboard boxes to sneak past us!
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