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[Firestorm]

Not to defend gamergate, but why would youtubers come into a conversation about journalism ethics. I mean, I realize that enthusiast gaming press isn't traditional journalism but youtubers aren't even enthusiast press. I view them as entertainment(that I don't personally enjoy) but who decided they need to be beholden to journalistic standards?

Because they're talking about video games that they've been given under the condition they can't disparage them and millions of viewers are using their opinions to make purchasing decisions. Unlike contributing to a Patreon, that should absolutely be disclosed.

 

[Oersted]

It's like saying "You're basically Hitler.", only you don't intend for it to be a dumb joke.

I don't know why people feel the need to make such a worthless, pointless, stupid, obviously inappropriate observation, when there exists words like "ggate has issues with sexism". Or whatever. Use your words and common sense, please. Or you know, go ahead and make yourself look like an ass if that's your thing.

Well, its kinda funny that the outrage comes from Gamergate.

Citing Leigh Alexander's opinion as reliable on a #GamerGate article is like citing Hitler's opinion on an article about Jews.

@Astrophilia @GamerGrlsGarage @SDComps @MarkBLP you sound like you are an sjw feminazi family hater #GamerGate

Politically Correct Thought Police have come for Video Games. Academic Cult Marxists are at and inside the gates. #GamerGate

Absurd comparisons and hate speech are pretty normal among them. Doesn't excuse the wrong comparison, mind you, but the outrage comes from a little bit skewed perspective.

 

[More_Badass]

Not to defend gamergate, but why would youtubers come into a conversation about journalism ethics. I mean, I realize that enthusiast gaming press isn't traditional journalism but youtubers aren't even enthusiast press. I view them as entertainment(that I don't personally enjoy) but who decided they need to be beholden to journalistic standards?

Nowadays, Youtube channels have as much as influence, if not more so, as mainstream sites. Personally I enjoy Totalbiscuits's impressions over an IGN review.

But it seems like many of these channels are even more susceptible to corruption and publisher influence than sites. Totalbiscuit is very outspoken about that stuff which is why I trust his thoughts on games over certain sites.

 

[Mesoian]

Not to defend gamergate, but why would youtubers come into a conversation about journalism ethics. I mean, I realize that enthusiast gaming press isn't traditional journalism but youtubers aren't even enthusiast press. I view them as entertainment(that I don't personally enjoy) but who decided they need to be beholden to journalistic standards?

Because in 5 years, when more people are watching youtube celebs rather than spending money at traditional games media sites, they're going to be all we have left.

And that IS going to happen. The writing is on the wall and the people who are the smartest know it. Jeff Gerstmann has talked about it countless times. We lose entire companies every year, nothing replaces them. They're going to go away and no one will care because we still have the celebs we like giving us the coverage we want in a form factor that is less demanding on both sides of the field than traditional reviews.

If you aren't a personality, you aren't going to be doing "games journalism" past 2017. You will not have a job.

 

[More_Badass]

Because in 5 years, when more people are watching youtube celebs rather than spending money at traditional games media sites, they're going to be all we have left.

And that IS going to happen. The writing is on the wall and the people who are the smartest know it. Jeff Gerstmann has talked about it countless times. We lose entire companies every year, nothing replaces them. They're going to go away and no one will care because we still have the celebs we like giving us the coverage we want in a form factor that is less demanding on both sides of the field than traditional reviews.

If you aren't a personality, you aren't going to be doing "games journalism" past 2017. You will not have a job.

I guess all we'll have left are the hobbyists who write about games for free.

 

[fallout]

But it seems like many of these channels are even more susceptible to corruption and publisher influence than sites. Totalbiscuit is very outspoken about that stuff which is why I trust his thoughts on games over certain sites.

What's somewhat frustrating is that publications typically have ethics policies and some separation between the editorial staff and publishers. Youtubers typically have none of that. Not to say that this means one side is perfect and the other side is evil. It's just that there's some misplaced scrutiny going on.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

What's somewhat frustrating is that publications typically have ethics policies and some separation between the editorial staff and publishers. Youtubers typically have none of that. Not to say that this means one side is perfect and the other side is evil. It's just that there's some misplaced scrutiny going on.

Yeah but how many outspoken feminists use youtube?


I mean I guess Anita does, but it's not like she's the only youtuber they're criti- ... oh wait.

 

[vcc]

How many rounds of posters declaring they aren't picking a side then going on to push a gamergate agenda are we up to now?

I find they try that a lot.

SP: "Hi, I have no idea what's going on. Someone fill me in"
GG1: "Feminists are murdering babies with ebola"
GG2: "Feminists are controlling the world through sex."
SP: "Ohh my, I support everything GG feels strongly about. I don't need evidence for any of these accusations. They must be true because it all makes so much sense. I'm not a sock puppet at all!"

 

[Mesoian]

I guess all we'll have left are the hobbyists who write about games for free.

Or professional PR people who are purposely, pointedly, markedly trying to take your money. That seems to be where the former games journalism people are going now.

I think Gametrailers is next on the chopping block seeing as how they let go pretty much all of their personality based staff. All they have now is a giant archive of gaming videos. They lost their TV presense, they realize that their own events don't bring in money...they aren't providing what people are looking for.

 

[Lime]

Yeah but how many outspoken feminists use youtube?


I mean I guess Anita does, but it's not like she's the only youtuber they're criti- ... oh wait.

Youtube is not particularly welcoming to women with a camera. Because of

This:

But no matter the focus of their content, female vloggers who spoke out at VidCon expressed frustration with the nature of abuse that focuses on their physical appearance rather than on the actual content of their videos. If they're physically attractive, they're bombarded with creepy requests to do things like slowly put on silk stockings and post the video (ostensibly so some weirdo can fap to it). If they're not conventionally attractive, male commenters jump on every opportunity to let the woman in question know that she makes their particular boner unhappy and she should go away forever. If she's of average attractiveness, commenters use the commenting space to have debates about her fuckability.

Or this:

Women on YouTube, for example, are opening up about the sort of harassment and abuse they face every day on their channels. from sexist slurs to unwanted sexual advances to threats of murder and rape. At last month’s VidCon, a conference for YouTube creators, women talked about the effects of YouTube harassment on their feelings of personal security and their ability to produce content.

Most worrying of all is the fact that many female content creators leave YouTube after their very first video because of the sorts of comments they receive. These women learn all too quickly that the price they have to pay to be a YouTube personality is a sense of security and emotional wellbeing. If you’re a man, imagine walking into a store only to be greeted by waves of employees throwing dog shit at you. You’d leave, too.

or this

The tone around that sort of sexually based male harassment was less jovial on Saturday’s panel.

“Because I’m threatened on the Internet, I take it seriously in real life," explained Croucher. "When you get threatened a lot, you have to take it seriously.” Rojas added that comments on YouTube had even started to color her disposition offline.

“You start to associate the in-person harassment with the online,” said Rojas. “‘Is this the type of person who says they’ll rape me on YouTube?’”

Hoover said one of the most difficult things in a male-dominated space is getting male creators to understand how different negative comments are on female-led channels.

“I think it’s really hard when talking to male content creators to get across what’s different between troll comments and really pointed, sexual based comments,” according to Hoover.

Emily Graslie, who runs The Brain Scoop, an education channel, explained her own struggles as a woman in the science space and how that affects her presentation on YouTube.

“I feel like I can’t take about my image on channel without compromising the value of my educational message,” she explained, going on to detail how people ask her every day about her hairstyle or clothing featured on YouTube instead of the content of her videos. “I have made a conscious decision to never answer those publicly. I’m so afraid that once I start letting in that side of my personality that people will no longer care about the educational message. I think that insecurity is totally a product of the society I grew up in.”

 

[Mesoian]

Youtube is not particularly welcoming to women with a camera. Because of

This:



Or this:



or this

Tangential but a lot of this boils down to the idea that, in order to be a successful youtube personality, you cannot interact with your audience. You have to continue adhering to a script you've premade and not worry about positive or negative comments made by the people watching because ultimately, they do not know what they want and they will still come back if you market yourself well enough.

I feel the worst for women on twitch because that chat is hard enough to cherry pick information from in general, let alone when it's being actively trolled by a group of people. Interacting with a fanbase that you know is actively trolling you at all times seems completely miserable.

 

[HowZatOZ]

Because in 5 years, when more people are watching youtube celebs rather than spending money at traditional games media sites, they're going to be all we have left.

And that IS going to happen. The writing is on the wall and the people who are the smartest know it. Jeff Gerstmann has talked about it countless times. We lose entire companies every year, nothing replaces them. They're going to go away and no one will care because we still have the celebs we like giving us the coverage we want in a form factor that is less demanding on both sides of the field than traditional reviews.

If you aren't a personality, you aren't going to be doing "games journalism" past 2017. You will not have a job.

And that is exactly why I'm looking outside the industry now. As much as I love writing about video games, sites like my own won't be around for much longer because people want easy access via YouTube without the bull. Can't blame them though, technology has allowed us to be so mobile that looking at a text-based website is just too time consuming.

 

[Sakwoff]

They actually said that? That's kind of disturbing...

In a way, yeah. Just look at all the "winning"-rhetoric etc.

There has always been this weird applying of game-logic to interpersonal relationships and real world situations. From the very beginning even, that is Eron Gjoni's blog post. That was actually one of the big red flags I immediately noticed when reading the thing.

 

[Mesoian]

And that is exactly why I'm looking outside the industry now. As much as I love writing about video games, sites like my own won't be around for much longer because people want easy access via YouTube without the bull. Can't blame them though, technology has allowed us to be so mobile that looking at a text-based website is just too time consuming.

It's true. The format is changing and one of the very real things that GG is trying to do is discredit the old system while gaining validity for the new upcoming system, which is why I think a lot of them are so quiet about talking about things like Modorgate or the people's reaction to HipHopGamer's rant about low Destiny review scores, things that they will no doubt have to engage with themselves once the paradigm has truly changed.

One day, one of these GG people are going to have Microsoft make them a very nice offer if they say that xbox game X is the summer's biggest video game and gets a fraction of their 100,000 viewers to buy in. And I doubt that person will be as transparent as GG wants or claims to be.

 

[Anthropic]

I think I'm done with Total Biscuit. He wants to believe that the supports this brave "consumer first" campaign and all he's doing is supporting a bunch of creeps that just want to hurt people.

 

[tonysidaway]

YouTube is both a good and bad medium for game reviews. Its a _terrible_ medium for almost every other kind of opinion journalism, not least because of the time penalty. Your audience can read your column in a couple of minutes and skip the boring bits using in-page text search, but if you go to YouTube they'll have to sit around grinding their teeth while you creekily get your daft old mouth around a massive 150 words per minute.

Sure, you can use video to show off sections of a game, and maybe if you're a particularly entertaining speaker you may acquire fans of some sort. But YouTube is a really horrible medium to use for almost anything. It isn't an accident that YouTube commenters have a very poor reputation. These are probably not people who actually watch you wobble through the whole piece. You'd have better fans if you just took the trouble to write your thoughts out in good English.

 

[More_Badass]

YouTube is both a good and bad medium for game reviews. Its a _terrible_ medium for almost every other kind of opinion journalism, not least because of the time penalty. Your audience can read your column in a couple of minutes and skip the boring bits using in-page text search, but if you go to YouTube they'll have to sit around grinding their teeth while you creekily get your daft old mouth around a massive 150 words per minute.

Sure, you can use video to show off sections of a game, and maybe if you're a particularly entertaining speaker you may acquire fans of some sort. But YouTube is a really horrible medium to use for almost anything. It isn't an accident that YouTube commenters have a very poor reputation. These are probably not people who actually watch you wobble through the whole piece. You'd have better fans if you just took the trouble to write your thoughts out in good English.

It's easy to make a video. It's harder to make an engaging speech about games or game development. Compare the well worded talks from knowledgable individuals given at GDC to the rambling at lot of Let's Play videos have. I really liked Adam Sessler and I think Totalbiscuit is able to deliver his opinions in an engaging informed manner, but that's about it. I dont watch or follow any gaming-related channels. I prefer forum discussion and a few sites such as Rock Paper Shotgun and Gamasutra

 

[JackDT]

I don't see how boycotting all the advertisers of RPS unless they pull support is consumer activism at all. I'm a consumer and I like reading RPS.

 

[Lime]

I don't see how boycotting all the advertisers of RPS unless they pull support is consumer activism at all. I'm a consumer and I like reading RPS.

Katherine Cross puts it quite well:

The rhetoric of consumption is the star motif in GamerGate’s celebration of Intel’s ad-pull. They treat games journalism as just another product they buy, which must be pleasing, built according to spec, and exists solely for their comfort and pleasure. If it does not, they feel they have been cheated and violated. “I’m a paying customer,” they seem to say, “how dare you treat me like this!”
Some gamers criticised Alexander and others for seeming to diminish the importance of video games by saying they're not worth getting so upset about. They see this as a high insult to their pasttime, but these tweets illustrate why perspective matters. No matter how much you love your hobby, if you don't keep things in proportion you start seeing everything as a "war." Vietnam, to be precise. ("SJW" stands for "social justice warrior" and is the chief bete noire of GamerGaters).

Some gamers criticised Alexander and others for seeming to diminish the importance of video games by saying they’re not worth getting so upset about. They see this as a high insult to their pasttime, but these tweets illustrate why perspective matters. No matter how much you love your hobby, if you don’t keep things in proportion you start seeing everything as a “war.” Vietnam, to be precise. (“SJW” stands for “social justice warrior” and is the chief bete noire of GamerGaters).

Yet this is an absolutely terrible way to treat journalism or criticism of any kind. The whole point of it is to inform and sometimes provoke; journalism is not a jukebox that plays what you want to hear for only a few cents.

http://feministing.com/2014/10/06/w...paign-to-silence-feminist-video-game-critics/

 

[Anthropic]

The rhetoric of consumption is the star motif in GamerGate’s celebration of Intel’s ad-pull. They treat games journalism as just another product they buy, which must be pleasing, built according to spec, and exists solely for their comfort and pleasure. If it does not, they feel they have been cheated and violated. “I’m a paying customer,” they seem to say, “how dare you treat me like this!”

I was watching that hangout that TotalBiscuit was on a few minutes ago and he was basically saying exactly that: Journalism is a product and the only way for the "little guy" to get heard is to start boycotts.

Really?

I'm trying to see how an editorial you didn't pay to read that you didn't agree with is anything like say, a game being released broken, or always-on DRM failing on a game you paid $50 for. Those are examples of giant companies treating people like crap.

Somehow an essay proposing that the behavior of people who call themselves "gamers" is in many cases vile and abhorrent became like EA butchering Dungeon Siege or Ubisoft's latest always-on disaster.

If you don't like an editorial, don't read it. Go to another site. That's appropriate.

Prodding advertisers to pull their advertising is entirely disproportional. If you make someone a pariah to advertisers you're essentially blacklisting them. You're putting sites in a position where, if they run editorials by this person they will suffer negative consequences and eventually, even the most brave and stubborn editors are going to have to stop running that person's material.

That's what people want? Really? Blacklisting?

The "death of gamers" editorials were about asking people who identify as "gamers" for some self reflection. The consequence was for people to decide they had to destroy careers. That's incredibly sad.

 

[Lalalandia]

You may not be surprised to hear that I don't think much of that kind of film either. But those films don't give you the same bleak experience as GTA V, and people don't generally watch them repeatedly for fun. That's not a comment on the presumed heinousness of GTA, incidentally, it's just an innervating on the difference between film and video game as an experience.
.....

Remember, though, that I'm probably much more of an outsider than a gamer by most sane definitions. I still play Quake 1, and have a high regard for Monkey Island, and the only comparably entertaining game I've encountered since then is Portal 2. I'm undoubtedly missing a huge amount of nuance.

I can completely understand, it's odd but despite the fact I enjoy a lot of 'gangster' shows, etc, I find the character of Tony Soprano so repellent I can't enjoy The Sopranos. I recognise the quality and James Gandolfini's performance is what sells it but I just despise the character too much to be able to relax and just watch it.

There's a reason we remember Portal 2 better than most of it's contemporaries Can completely understand falling out of love with gaming I deeply lamented the passing of the adventure game genre, that golden LucasArts era gave me what is still one of my all time favourites in Fate of Atlantis.

 

[WARP10CK]

I tried to play GTAV because everybody is praising it. I found it really tedious. In my experience there seemed to be no legitimate way to play the game except by acting like a shithole. It was one of the most profoundly depressing game experiences of my life, so I stopped and put in the Portal 2 disc to see what that was all about. That worked out very well, as you may guess.

I can see your critic's point of view. I can't see yours, really, because I just don't find violent mistreatment of innocent people entertaining. No, not even in a game where my victims are simulations. Frankly it's very disturbing. Without participating in that, GTA V seems to me a fairly boring driving game with the annoying quirk that access to cars is only (or mostly) available via criminal in-game behaviour.

This is a purely personal view of course, but I'm not at all convinced that it's unreasonable to see enjoyment of GTA V as profoundly problematic.

There are apparently aspects of GTA V that focus on sexualised murder of women for entertainment. That sounds like sick and nasty stuff if it's true.

Its not my favourite game but we also have to remember that it is satire Rockstars GTA world is basicly America put to the extremes.

I also do not want the internet police telling my how I should think because I know what GTA is it's satire pure and simple.

Yes its extreme thats the whole point taken to such a ridicoulus extreme that it frankly stops being believable but with enough real world elements in it.

And portal 2 is simply brilliant so there we agree

 

[WARP10CK]

To your points in reverse order:

And to your opening point, considering this as two 'sides' has always been ridiculous. People treating these two sides they invent as somehow equivalent or comparable has also always been ridiculous. There are people identifying with and acting under a banner forged in bigotry and ignorance and hatred, and those who are not.

What about the arguments made before gamergate even existed about the gamingpress that is the side of the issue that I want to discuss.

 

[Oersted]

What about the arguments made before gamergate even existed about the gamingpress that is the side of the issue that I want to discuss.

If you want to talk about something not Gamergate related, you are very welcome to make a new thread. I look forward to it. Not joking.

 

[tonysidaway]

That's what people want? Really? Blacklisting?

I'm okay with the concept of consumer boycotts. I would not support this one, but the basic concept is sound. I hope Intel comes to its senses soon and begins advertising on Gamasutra again, but even people united by the craziest ideas are able to express their opinions in this way. There are only a few of them; in the long run those likely to care about Gamasutra are the fringe of the fringe.

As for Leigh Alexander I'm sure she'll emerge as a net winner because of the increased publicity and her place in the market as a particularly gifted writer.

 

[besada]

What about the arguments made before gamergate even existed about the gamingpress that is the side of the issue that I want to discuss.

What's stopping you, exactly? We had a big old thread about Youtubers and that Shadow of Mordor stuff. If there's news about a gaming press scandal, people can post a thread and talk about it. If you have a more general critique of the gaming press, or suggestions for improving it that have nothing to do with #gamergate, feel free to start a thread. We've had plenty of threads like that.

 

[tonysidaway]

I can completely understand, it's odd but despite the fact I enjoy a lot of 'gangster' shows, etc, I find the character of Tony Soprano so repellent I can't enjoy The Sopranos. I recognise the quality and James Gandolfini's performance is what sells it but I just despise the character too much to be able to relax and just watch it.

There's a reason we remember Portal 2 better than most of it's contemporaries Can completely understand falling out of love with gaming I deeply lamented the passing of the adventure game genre, that golden LucasArts era gave me what is still one of my all time favourites in Fate of Atlantis.

Cool, I think we've reached a good point to close this dialogue. Thanks for putting up with my horrible comment editing, which for example left in place the Android autocorrect artifact "innervating" instead of whatever word I actually meant (who knows?) Patience above and beyond! Thanks.

 

[JackDT]

So more advertisers apparently pulled out of GamaSutra and unconfirmed from RPS too. Seeing gamers including super influential people like Total Biscuit supporting campaigns to shut down one of my favorite sites Rock Paper Shotgun... such a disheartening day. This sucks so much.

If you don't read RPS - that's cool. If you want to tell everyone RPS sucks so bad they shouldn't read it - that's cool too. But god damn please stop trying to shut down my favorite gaming sties because they talked to much feminism or whatever. Ugh. I hate this thing. Lifelong gamer here who has never felt so far away from #gamergate. I don't know what to do.

 

[More_Badass]

So more advertisers apparently pulled out of GamaSutra and unconfirmed from RPS too. Seeing gamers including super influential people like Total Biscuit supporting campaigns to shut down one of my favorite sites Rock Paper Shotgun... such a disheartening day. This sucks so much.

If you don't read RPS - that's cool. If you want to tell everyone RPS sucks so bad they shouldn't read it - that's cool too. But god damn please stop trying to shut down my favorite gaming sties because they talked to much feminism or whatever. Ugh. I hate this thing. Lifelong gamer here who has never felt so far away from #gamergate. I don't know what to do.

I don't curse often online but what a fucking disgrace. I love Gamaustra; as someone with a fascination with the behind the scenes look at game development, the articles by developers are wonderful and insightful. RockPaperShotun too, I only got into PC gaming recently and it has easily become my favorite site, since it gives both high profile AAA games and smaller indies fair coverage

Damn it

 

[Deleted member 126221]

I know they attack Gamasutra because Leigh Alexander sometimes write there (...), but what do they have against RPS?

 

[obonicus]

Really?

I'm trying to see how an editorial you didn't pay to read that you didn't agree with is anything like say, a game being released broken, or always-on DRM failing on a game you paid $50 for. Those are examples of giant companies treating people like crap.

I don't think they're similar at all, but that doesn't make what he said untrue, or even that objectionable. If you're displeased with something, as a consumer, the most you can do is stop consuming. It's a sacrifice(!) you're willing to make to get results.

It's worth noting that for the most part, these people are full of shit; they're not going to stop buying intel or nvidia. They were never going to go to that university of game design thing.

If you don't like an editorial, don't read it. Go to another site. That's appropriate.

That may not be enough. I don't go to the dailystormer (tied into stormfront -- don't google them) but if I find out some company I buy from is advertising there, I'd feel pretty vindicated in not buying from them anymore. I'm not a terribly social person, but I'd think a social media movement to boycott that company would be appropriate.

Prodding advertisers to pull their advertising is entirely disproportional.

This is the real issue; gamergate is incredibly stupid and petty and yet people invoking the hashtag are behaving like they're fighting for civil rights.

In essence, people need to get a sense of proportion. For what it's worth, I think nearly every goddamned reaction by gamers is completely out of proportion. Gamergate kinda seems like the 'always angry about everything' madness coming home to roost.

 

[Cybit]

So more advertisers apparently pulled out of GamaSutra and unconfirmed from RPS too. Seeing gamers including super influential people like Total Biscuit supporting campaigns to shut down one of my favorite sites Rock Paper Shotgun... such a disheartening day. This sucks so much.

If you don't read RPS - that's cool. If you want to tell everyone RPS sucks so bad they shouldn't read it - that's cool too. But god damn please stop trying to shut down my favorite gaming sties because they talked to much feminism or whatever. Ugh. I hate this thing. Lifelong gamer here who has never felt so far away from #gamergate. I don't know what to do.

Where did TB say anything about supporting a campaign to shut down RPS? Was reading his twitter on and off earlier; didn't say anything about a boycott.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

Probably the feminist slant to some of their stuff that caused ire. And they linked to that article once, agreeing with the gist of it. Whatever ggate finds disagreeable is no longer allowed to be written about. This is by far the most fucked up instance of corruption ggate has brought to our attention.

If the RPS stuff gets confirmed I know what I'll be doing.

 

[tonysidaway]

I also do not want the internet police telling my how I should think because I know what GTA is it's satire pure and simple.

No problem there. You might well find that I'm one of those nefarious "internet police" because I do find certain kinds of game very squicky. I know it from the other side too because I love the Singing Ringing Tree and my family always leaves the room _en masse_ when I put the tape on.

And portal 2 is simply brilliant so there we agree

Yes, we can agree sometimes.

_De gustibus non est disputandum._

 

[JackDT]

I know they attack Gamasutra because Leigh Alexander sometimes write there (...), but what do they have against RPS?

Hard to even know it just says: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzQY4mBIAAAUq7U.jpg:large

Explain how you may be inclined to not to buy nVidia products/services should they continue to advertise with Eurogamer/RockPaperShotgun

Remember, Intel wanted no part of this mess and left in a big way. This will not end until we all get our voice back. This will not end until every one of us are satisfied. And we still grow. Do not forget to remind nVidia what power brand loyalty has, and how easily that can be destroyed in a controversy like this.
This will be a great start to a great week. don't forget to rally up your fellow GamerGate!

 

[Corpekata]

Where did TB say anything about supporting a campaign to shut down RPS? Was reading his twitter on and off earlier; didn't say anything about a boycott.

I think he means TB has endorsed the "well, they have no choice but to boycott and email advertisers" thing. Not a specific campaign against RPS, but a general endorsement of their approach. Said in that recent stream he did.

 

[mo60]

Probably the feminist slant to some of their stuff that caused ire. And they linked to that article once, agreeing with the gist of it. Whatever ggate finds disagreeable is no longer allowed to be written about. This is by far the most fucked up instance of corruption ggate has brought to our attention.

If the RPS stuff gets confirmed I know what I'll be doing.

That is my problem with what they are doing. Instead of doing stuff like talking about the articles with the people that wrote them they are trying to shut them down.Some people do need to apologize for the comments they wrote. I have seen comments on certain sites and twitter from certain people within the movement that just want to destroy the careers of the people they hate. I did not despise what they were doing that much originally, but some of the comments recently written just made me change my mind.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

It's interesting to me as this has gone on to remember how all of this started due to fears of conspiracy, exclusion, and censorship, but that seems to be pretty much all this group of people are doing now with all the pressure they're putting on companies and people to comply with them.

 

[mo60]

It's interesting to me as this has gone on to remember how all of this started due to fears of conspiracy, exclusion, and censorship, but that seems to be pretty much all this group of people are doing now with all the pressure they're putting on companies and people to comply with them.

I wish some of the companies they are emailing to would at least put gamergate related messages into there junk mail or set there email accounts so that only important emails can get into there inbox.

 

[tonysidaway]

What do these boycotts achieve? Gamasutra is owned by UBM, a huge conglomerate that also owns the GDC. They don't sound to me like people who are given to jumping in and shaking things up because of a wee controversy. RPS seems to have its own maturing subscription model, so it's probably not vulnerable.

What could the Gamergate people realistically hope to achieve in the four or five weeks it has left as a viable campaigning group?

 

[Cybit]

I think he means TB has endorsed the "well, they have no choice but to boycott and email advertisers" thing. Not a specific campaign against RPS, but a general endorsement of their approach. Said in that recent stream he did.

TB also tells people to unsub himself if they don't like what he's saying, so I think he's approving the "boycott & email advertisers if you think you need to", as a way of saying "do that instead of harassing people you nitwits."

 

[JackDT]

TB also tells people to unsub himself if they don't like what he's saying, so I think he's approving the "boycott & email advertisers if you think you need to", as a way of saying "do that instead of harassing people you nitwits."

Unsubbing from TotalBiscuit is what I think people should do if they don't like the content on RPS - avoid those sites. Organizing a campaign to shut down Total Biscuit because he talks about settings too much or doesn't talk about japanese RPGs - that's what's gong on with RPS!

 

[VibratingDonkey]

I think he means TB has endorsed the "well, they have no choice but to boycott and email advertisers" thing. Not a specific campaign against RPS, but a general endorsement of their approach. Said in that recent stream he did.

In a general sense I agree that it's a valid tactic. But in this case? No. So much no.

My favorite thing about TotalBiscuit is that you can call him Mr. Bain.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Hard to even know it just says: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzQY4mBIAAAUq7U.jpg:large

So they want to shut down websites they disagree with? That's one way to fight perceived censorship, I suppose.

 

[luxarific]

OMG, these people are literally insane.

 

[Corpekata]

OMG, these people are literally insane.

A bit old, and to be fair to most GGers, when that person posted that himself to some subreddits, they all balked about how crazy he was being.

 

[Nephrahim]

Boycotting is a legitimate tactic. They're totally within their rights to tell people who they pay money to that they won't buy from them if they continue supporting something they don't like. Would you rather they be forced to buy from them?

If that's all TB said (And I have no idea if it is, I've just seen a few posts about it) I'm totally with him.

 

[JackDT]

People have to the right do do all sorts of awful things, in this case, trying to shut down sites because they cover too many social issues or whatever. Doesn't mean I don't have to be absolutely horrified at the current climate.

I would be similarly bothered by mass campaign to shut down Total Biscuit.

 

[More_Badass]

Well I just posted this
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1scibi
Feels like I stuck my hand in a hornet's nest. But really I couldn't remain silent

 

[Nephrahim]

People have to the right do do all sorts of awful things, in this case, trying to shut down sites because they cover too many social issues or whatever. Doesn't mean I don't have to be absolutely horrified at the current climate.

I would be similarly bothered by mass campaign to shut down Total Biscuit.

I'm just so used to it being a tactic when it comes to Radio shows. Like, I despise Rush Limbaugh, but when people went after his advertisers, I didn't hear one person lift a finger to help him (Unless they actually liked his show.)