Naruto is ending November 5

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GaimeGuy said:
the calendar duration of the war spanned practically the entirety of the Dragon Ball manga from start through the sparing of Piccolo Jr's life by Goku (or, in anime terms, the entirety of Dragon Ball)

Nov 20, 1984: Chapter 1 of Dragon Ball is released
Oct 10, 1988: Chapter 194 of Dragon Ball is released. (Chapter 195 timeskips 5 years later and begins the Saiyan Saga)
Duration: 1421 days (inclusve)

Nov 10, 2010: Gaara's Speech/Chapter 516 of Naruto is released
Aug 29, 2014:
Kaguya
's defeat.
Duration: 1389 days (inclusive)

LOL the final battle build up/fallout/epilogue being like 10 chapters
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This fucking war arc was seriously four years long? No wonder it felt endless.
I know Chimera Ant in HxH ran longer, but that's because of all the hiatuses. And when marathoned, it's still a shorter arc.
 
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Phoenician_Viking said:
And in every thread about any manga, you and other one piece fans shit on different manga, just because you want to praise one piece but you can´t do without shitting on other manga. Not only that you mock anyone who likes anything different. It´s pretty annoying. And it´s funny how you don´t see the behavior of one piece fans in these kind of threads, like calling people names, but hey you have tinted glasses and you see what you want to see.



I am not mad about their opinions. They can like whatever they want. But they continue shitting on other manga in every shonen threads, because it ´s impossible for them to praise something without shitting on another manga, which is very sad. And why are you singling me out, are you reading this thread?
Lol, never mind now i know your agenda from the first post on this page.
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Then explain why:
1. Every thread you exclusively shit on One Piece and praise Bleach
2. One Piece fans aren't coming here to shit on other manga, it's a general group of people stating their opinion that Bleach's quality has dropped and needs to end
3. You only get upset when people call out Bleach. Not once did you respond to a single person saying they are glad Naruto is finally ending.
 
BeatResetsTheWorld said:
I'm still not sure I understand what you're getting at...how does Oda not paint the big picture? We've gotten multiple references to the nature of One Piece, every arc paints more of the backstory of the world and hints at what the WG is hiding. You act like there are arcs where crazy shit happens and nothing new is learned. Every arc villain or antagonist ties into a previously established character in some way. It's never just "here's a random villain that exists in a vacuum and has no broad significance after this arc"

And Togashi didn't finish anything. He literally opened up a new can of worms that hasn't even begun to be fully explained/explored. He's actually introducing more questions without answering the ones we already have
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The big picture of the hero's objective. I'm not talking about the story and everything that goes on to explain the stuff that's happening. I'm referring to the plot and how the hero's aims fit within that structure. Luffy's goal is to find One Piece so he can call himself King of the Pirates, no? But how does all of the World Government stuff piece in? is it related? etc etc. It's just kind of all over. It sort of starts going in the direction it's supposed to be but it keeps paddling along without really making strides. Granted, it's a helluva fun boat ride but it's really unsatisfying that it's been going on this long and it feels like they still aren't anywhere near achieving the original goal the hero of the story set for himself.

When you look at other jump protags, you see that they set this goal too. For example, Naruto wants to be Hokage. It's a much less tangible objective than finding a big ass treasure but the big picture of how he becomes it affects the series. He has to not only overcome the villains but bring everyone together, and all that stuff. With every occurrence in the story, it feels like it's progressively moving towards the hero's goals.

And Togashi actually did finish something in HxH. Think about what Gon's original goal was when he left Whale Island. That lead him to the Hunter Exam, then the Auction, then to Greed Island. The following arc wasn't as related to that goal but eventually helped him to achieve it in the end. It was after that that Togashi introduced more to expand the horizons of the manga. In case you're forgetting, it's
To find his father Ging and he eventually does that at the end of the Elections after the ant arc. Ging tells him what he's been doing all these years and then that opens up the whole new can of worms with the dark continent.
Togashi still had the hero finish an objective to his journey but continued on afterwards.
 
Best news, this manga since the eclipse is just good to trash... Still reading not get my weekly comic time, serious guy should jump into the One Piece train and embrace Oda's skills : simple theme but deep reflection, and holy mother fucking fun here and there.

I'm glad I read DB when I was young, I'm glad I was able to read FMA, cause know most of the shonen out there just make me sick.
 
Shouta said:
The big picture of the hero's objective. I'm not talking about the story and everything that goes on to explain the stuff that's happening. I'm referring to the plot and how the hero's aims fit within that structure. Luffy's goal is to find One Piece so he can call himself King of the Pirates, no? But how does all of the World Government stuff piece in? is it related? etc etc. It's just kind of all over. It sort of starts going in the direction it's supposed to be but it keeps paddling along without really making strides. Granted, it's a helluva fun boat ride but it's really unsatisfying that it's been going on this long and it feels like they still aren't anywhere near achieving the original goal the hero of the story set for himself.

When you look at other jump protags, you see that they set this goal too. For example, Naruto wants to be Hokage. It's a much less tangible objective than finding a big ass treasure but the big picture of how he becomes it affects the series. He has to not only overcome the villains but bring everyone together, and all that stuff. With every occurrence in the story, it feels like it's progressively moving towards the hero's goals.

And Togashi actually did finish something in HxH. Think about what Gon's original goal was when he left Whale Island. That lead him to the Hunter Exam, then the Auction, then to Greed Island. The following arc wasn't as related to that goal but eventually helped him to achieve it in the end. It was after that that Togashi introduced more to expand the horizons of the manga. In case you're forgetting, it's
To find his father Ging and he eventually does that at the end of the Elections after the ant arc. Ging tells him what he's been doing all these years and then that opens up the whole new can of worms with the dark continent.
Togashi still had the hero finish an objective to his journey but continued on afterwards.
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The hero's aims and overall standing are also pretty obvious. The person who'll find the One Piece and Spark the war Luffy, Likely allies, that fight against WG in the coming war, the places Luffy visits, The man that'll discover the history (the person WB talks about) and declare the battle against the world Luffy (he's already declared war on the world government).

The whole point of the story is humanities natural inclination towards freedom, that's why Luffy embodies it in the purest form and will be the spark that ignites the rest of the world.

I thought this would be obvious by now.
 
People here are awesome with HxH back to regular and so on

While we all know, deep in our heart, how HxH will end

Tagoshi won't finish shit in his lifetime, i said it first

Also, i really hope that this is the end. Don't milk this series anymore.
 
Principate said:
The Hero's aims are also pretty obvious. The person who'll find the One Piece and Spark the war Luffy, Likely allies, that fight against WG in the coming war, the places Luffy visits, The man that'll discover the history and declare the battle again Luffy (he's already declared war on the world government.

The whole point of the story is humanities natural inclination towards freedom, that's why Luffy embodies it in the purest form and will be the spark that ignites the rest of the world.

I thought this would be obvious by now.
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Now I know how people feel when folks hear about what's been happening in Naruto except I actually know what's going on in OP.
 
I know it's dragged on for awhile now but having followed Naruto for almost half my life, this truly does feel like the end of an era.

Ah well, at least One Piece will keep me entertained for many more years to come. But I still feel kind of sad about this. I know it has to happen but I can't shake the feeling.
 
Nikokuno said:
You don't want to know... Really
really really
far...
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I guess I can't be surprised.

On one hand, I remember dropping it years ago because I was so burned out from the story. On the other, seeing things like Ultimate Ninja Storm and current shots from the Anime really piqued my interest.
Kabuto really made go wtf

I'll probably read more if a Comixology sale happens.
 
Shouta said:
The big picture of the hero's objective. I'm not talking about the story and everything that goes on to explain the stuff that's happening. I'm referring to the plot and how the hero's aims fit within that structure. Luffy's goal is to find One Piece so he can call himself King of the Pirates, no? But how does all of the World Government stuff piece in? is it related? etc etc. It's just kind of all over. It sort of starts going in the direction it's supposed to be but it keeps paddling along without really making strides. Granted, it's a helluva fun boat ride but it's really unsatisfying that it's been going on this long and it feels like they still aren't anywhere near achieving the original goal the hero of the story set for himself.

When you look at other jump protags, you see that they set this goal too. For example, Naruto wants to be Hokage. It's a much less tangible objective than finding a big ass treasure but the big picture of how he becomes it affects the series. He has to not only overcome the villains but bring everyone together, and all that stuff. With every occurrence in the story, it feels like it's progressively moving towards the hero's goals.

And Togashi actually did finish something in HxH. Think about what Gon's original goal was when he left Whale Island. That lead him to the Hunter Exam, then the Auction, then to Greed Island. The following arc wasn't as related to that goal but eventually helped him to achieve it in the end. It was after that that Togashi introduced more to expand the horizons of the manga. In case you're forgetting, it's
To find his father Ging and he eventually does that at the end of the Elections after the ant arc. Ging tells him what he's been doing all these years and then that opens up the whole new can of worms with the dark continent.
Togashi still had the hero finish an objective to his journey but continued on afterwards.
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Oh my god thank, I had said this a few pages back.
 
Yado said:
Has he though? His ideologies are the same as they were when he was a kid.
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Watch/read like… any of the first ten chapters/episodes and you tell me if that's the same Naruto as the one that speaking to Sasuke at the Samurai bridge in the land of Iron for example. Sure his dream is the same, but the reasons for that dream have changed dramatically. Most of his current ideologies you refer to simply didn't exist earlier in the manga. Once a self-centered, frantic, hate-ridden, childish outcast, he has come to experience substantial emotional growth and enlightenment.
 
Glad Kishimoto is finally putting the series out of its misery. I used to be a huge fan, but it's really started to drag recently (especially in the last year or so). Glad the final battle won't be too long.
 
Shouta said:
Did you read Infinite's post earlier (I think it was Infinite, anyway). Basically, my problem with One Piece is that the show has this giant nebulous goal that they're supposedly going after but they're basically just going about with crazy hijinx/shit instead of stuff happening towards that objective specifically. Oda doesn't really ever paint what the big picture looks like despite having a start and end point. It's pretty frustrating as someone who started reading OP when it first was serialized in Japan. I've been with the series a long time and it still feels like it never really goes anywhere in regards to the premise it setup originally.

I don't really have a problem with all that gallivanting around but it's frustrating when you set goals and kind of mill about it. HxH does the same thing as OP does in fact, set the hero a goal and he then goes on adventures as a result. However, Togashi actually finished that and then is further expanding the story from there. =P Makes me wish Oda would fucking just let them get there and then springboard into bigger things >=|
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So he should rush the story and get them to Raftel already? Dude, even Silvers Rayleigh said it. The important thing is the journey, and that will be the key point when they'll have to decide what to do with the "One Piece". This just reads as someone who's tired of the current arc and maybe you have a point there, but wanting Oda to actually rush everything only for the sake of achieving the goal is quite perplexing...
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
Glad Kishimoto is finally putting the series out of its misery. I used to be a huge fan, but it's really started to drag recently (especially in the last year or so). Glad the final battle won't be too long.
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I feel the opposite this is the battle he been hyping this fight for 10 year and it will like what , 3-4 issue that is some bs.
 
PeakPointMatrix said:
Watch/read like… any of the first ten chapters/episodes and you tell me if that's the same Naruto as the one that speaking to Sasuke at the Samurai bridge in the land of Iron for example. Sure his dream is the same, but the reasons for that dream have changed dramatically. Most of his current ideologies you refer to simply didn't exist earlier in the manga. Once a self-centered, frantic, hate-ridden, childish outcast, he has come to experience substantial emotional growth and enlightenment.
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He hasn't changed since just before the timeskip. It's actually heavily implied since he refuses to give up the promise, for what is for all intents and purposes an irrational goal in the first place. Even Sasuke remarks on it.
 
Huh so when will the anime run it's course then? January - February 2015?

In this thread I realize people can refer to One Piece as OP. I was so confused at how so many people were discussing different things about the original post that I didn't understand
 
Principate said:
He hasn't changed since just before the timeskip. It's actually heavily implied since he refuses to give up the promise, for what is for all intents and purposes an irrational goal in the first place. Even Sasuke remarks on it.
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lol, sasuke. no-one should be taking seriously anything that character says. and it even funnier now since
he too has decided to become hokage lol

did you miss all the parts where the wise/strong ones of the manga keep referring to naruto becoming hokage?
 
bigboss370 said:
yup, this is a huge problem with one piece
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Eh but Luffy goal is to do whatever he wants, why he's following this journey is to be given more freedom to do whatever he wants. He's currently doing that to lesser extent. One piece was always a means to an end. which is why it's not the climax of the story (which is the final revolution). Nor the end goal of the hero..
 
Principate said:
Eh but Luffy goal is to do whatever he wants, why he's following this journey is to be given more freedom to do whatever he wants. He's currently doing that to lesser extent. One piece was always a means to an end. which is why it's not the climax of the story (which is the final revolution). Nor the end goal of the hero..
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the fact thats it not the climax and it feels like we're still 10 years away from finding it makes it worse.

i dont really follow op, but hasn't luffy always been doing what he wants?
 
Heroman said:
I feel the opposite this is the battle he been hyping this fight for 10 year and it will like what , 3-4 issue that is some bs.
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Maybe 10 years ago I would have had some faith in Kishimoto's ability to have a 10 chapter long fight that was decent. Today, I'm not sure I trust him to get even 3-4 chapters. The last fight just dragged on forever. I'm glad the final one won't.
 
I don't really get the One Piece-HxH comparisons.

The difference is that the end game for One Piece has always been finding the treasure and nothing has changed in that regard. One Piece in itself is a story about the adventures Luffy has on his voyage to Raftel.

Togashi making it that
Gon finding his dad just set up a larger plot point
shouldn't really make any difference in regards to Oda having the same climax since the beginning.

It's just two different ways of writing a story.
 
Shouta said:
Did you read Infinite's post earlier (I think it was Infinite, anyway). Basically, my problem with One Piece is that the show has this giant nebulous goal that they're supposedly going after but they're basically just going about with crazy hijinx/shit instead of stuff happening towards that objective specifically. Oda doesn't really ever paint what the big picture looks like despite having a start and end point. It's pretty frustrating as someone who started reading OP when it first was serialized in Japan. I've been with the series a long time and it still feels like it never really goes anywhere in regards to the premise it setup originally.

I don't really have a problem with all that gallivanting around but it's frustrating when you set goals and kind of mill about it. HxH does the same thing as OP does in fact, set the hero a goal and he then goes on adventures as a result. However, Togashi actually finished that and then is further expanding the story from there. =P Makes me wish Oda would fucking just let them get there and then springboard into bigger things >=|
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Tis exactly why I fell off one piece.

OT
700. Long time coming. Through the ups and the downs its somehow kept my attention. I've fallen off the horse and chased it down and tackled it to get back on. End of an era. But that's good though. Bleach could've done this too. But alas Kubo... Gantz imploded on itself... At this point I'll be satisfied if he gets to be hokage.
Itachi still is the main character. The manfa should've been called Itachi or Madara for all I care...
 
Well, at least I will know wtf is to become of Hinata in the next month I assume seeing how loss ends will be tied up to some extent.

Everything else can suck some balls ...
 
Principate said:
He hasn't changed since just before the timeskip. It's actually heavily implied since he refuses to give up the promise, for what is for all intents and purposes an irrational goal in the first place. Even Sasuke remarks on it.
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Did you miss when Naruto had to learn to expel the remnants of hatred from his heart in order to tame the Kyuubi's power? Or when he learned that the use of the Kyuubi's chakara was what hurt Sakura in his rage, leading him to learn he must never solely depend on it again? Or in a moment of weakness in his fight with Pein, he essentially gives up for the first time in the manga and nearly rips the Kyuubi's seal?

There was a lot more growth in Part 2 than your giving credit to.
 
clay_ghost said:
I never really get naruto. What manga is replacing it?
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Nothing's been announced. We probably won't hear what it is for a couple weeks.
There's a chance that its "replacement" will be cancelled fairly quickly.

The way Jump works is that readers vote for what stays and what goes. They can have 13 new series a year, but only 2-3 will survive past 50 chapters.
 
Don't really have the time/motivation to engage in this One Piece conversation, but uh

At the very least, if you can't see the World Government's role in the quest for One Piece, then clearly you haven't been paying attention.

ZoddGutts said:
The drop in quality in both series is really astonishing, though Bleach was never really that great at it's prime.
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In retrospect, neither was Naruto IMO, but they were still both fun series that slid in quality to levels I've never seen for anything else.
 
GaimeGuy said:
the calendar duration of the war spanned practically the entirety of the Dragon Ball manga from start through the sparing of Piccolo Jr's life by Goku (or, in anime terms, the entirety of Dragon Ball)

Nov 20, 1984: Chapter 1 of Dragon Ball is released
Oct 10, 1988: Chapter 194 of Dragon Ball is released. (Chapter 195 timeskips 5 years later and begins the Saiyan Saga)
Duration: 1421 days (inclusve)

Nov 10, 2010: Gaara's Speech/Chapter 516 of Naruto is released
Aug 29, 2014:
Kaguya
's defeat.
Duration: 1389 days (inclusive)

LOL the final battle build up/fallout/epilogue being like 10 chapters
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Now do Bleach, from when Aizen enters the fake Karakura until he gets cut in half by Ichigo. :D
 
Naruto had it's moments in Part 1 (some emotional pull) which part 2 was never to really match.

In retrospect, neither was Naruto IMO, but they were still both fun series that slid in quality to levels I've never seen for anything else.
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Gantz post Buddha arc. It just got worse and worse, only good thing that came out was Reika. Though that series Seinen.
 
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