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[Aces&Eights]

You want to counter his point with actual reasoning other than trying to mock him?

What happened to "this is a neutral grounds where facts and evidence, presented within the confines of civil, inclusive discourse..."

He didn't post any facts. He said that people bought the ps4 because of the price point, not the power. Such sweeping statements should have a shitload of links to back it up.

 

[The Shogun]

Actually it does.

Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

 

[cackhyena]

I don't appreciate being mocked by someone who's job it is to remain neutral.

Remain neutral? As in, not have an opinion? C'mon.

 

[TetraGenesis]

Despite the PS4 being more powerful, I always had my doubts that the 3rd party's would really make use of it. I expect all ports to look pretty much identical.

Hindle gonna Hindle!

 

[Rebel Leader]

Another clue is in order.

The digs ears are up, it's listening

 

[QuantumZebra]

Maybe there will with the odd release here and there, but the major new IP or franchises I expect to look identical. Destiny, AC, being examples.

Phil? Phil Spencer?

 

[MGR]

Still can't quite believe Vincent's comment. What an amazing PR fumble.

 

[I-hate-u]

101 pages in 1 day?? Ubi, I think you dun goofed on your plan to avoid "to avoid all the debates and stuff".

I wonder what Sony's stance on this. They have been in co-partners in marketing with Ubi on AC for a long time. Surely, Adam Boyes is on a plane to France right about now.

 

[hwy_61]

Assassin's Creed is a boring series to me.

But oh my god I bought Assassin's Creed III, and Black Flag! Which I absolutely hated but I bought cause why not let's try it.

Both of which were subHD (360 version for III and 900p for the One version of Black Flag)

I buy every game on the Market because I'm bored lol. I'm buying DriveClub tomorrow because why not. I bought Smash 3DS because why not. I'll buy this like the I bought the last 2 because... Why not?

Must be nice to wipe your ass with 100s

Spoiler

JK

 

[CLEEK]

I don't appreciate being mocked by someone who's job it is to remain neutral.

Patient: Doctor, Doctor, it hurts when I bend my arm like this!
Doctor: Then don't do it.

 

[Speedy Blue Dude]

You want to not try and backseat mod?

I'm not.

I'm just saying he's trying to offer a discussion here and saying "Try not to embarrass yourself" isn't a fair way to interact with someone trying to discuss a subject.

Not saying I agree with the dude, because clearly the PS4 isn't only the market leader because of the lower price, otherwise the Xbox One would be performing better since the $399 reeducation (and it's actually performing worse week or week now, no?)

 

[DNAbro]

The digs ears are up, it's listening

So is Sony coming to knock down Ubisoft's door and tie them up until they agree to no parity?

 

[Chabbles]

the difference between 900p and 1080p is so small that if ubisoft didn't say anything, no one would notice except for the ones who make the effort to count the pixels.

Pretty noticeable in these little gifs posted earlier, image on a big screen tv ?

The difference was significant nontheless.

Eurogamer also had an excellent comparison page.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

The digs ears are up, it's listening

So Sony are on it? ICE team or sharp words?

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Can't argue with that, makes me feel good anyways. Sony should step up their game to reward me as a PS4 owner then if that is true.

What does that even mean?

 

[ArkkAngel007]

MS doesn't even need to pay. Ubi just wants to make more money and they think they would risk losing customers on XB1, that's all.

I remember when everybody said I was a conspirationist because I said the day 1 PS4 patches which changed resolutions after the reviews were extremely fishy.

Well, as we can easily conclude now, I was right. Devs do indeed choose to gimp their own games, sometimes until after the reviews, sometimes forever. How sad is it for this industry ?

Gimping your games on purpose is shitty, vote with your wallet. I know I will.

How would they lose XBO customers if the PS4 version is better? There's the few people who own both system's such as myself and there might even be those who might find it the 'last straw' to trade in the system for the other, but I don't see that being a major factor at all. Generally people will stick to the system that suits their needs best, both in hardware and social environment, and I don't see a 900p Unity on XBO vs 1080p on PS4 is going to make people jump ship all of a sudden when:

1) The marketing is favorable for the Xbox One platform

2) There are likely other titles (Halo, COD) in conjunction with social elements driving their investment of that system.

3) The PS4 is already a major leader and the pros/cons of each system are well-established and largely unchanged at this point

Also: What does it matter in the bottom-line overall which port sold better?

 

[legacyzero]

Because not all gamers care about frame rate and resolution.

I use IGN for my news mostly. Almost none of those editors give a fuck about FPS unless its absolutely broken like Borderlands 2 vita.

Their readers also do not care. Their top comments are mostly, "who the fuck cares, this is only flamebait" whenever IGN posts a framerate/resolution article.

Neogaf is the first place I have ever seen it being a big deal.

If the framerate is not broken like Skyrim PS3, I don't care if it is 60 or 30.

Resolution doesn't matter to me either. I am a university student. I didn't buy a monitor for "crisp lush visuals". I bought a monitor so I can see my god damn video games. I didn't buy a PS4 for 60FPS only gaming or 1080p standard resolution. I bought one because thats where all the games are going to be.

You're not the only gamer on the planet either.

The idea is to have ALL GAMERS in mind. Platform parity is a pussy's way of dealing with the issue. And it only causes this kind of debate.

Just because you dont care about resolution and framerate doesn't mean that somebody else doesn't.

I care about 1080p, because I get headaches for most resolutions below that. It's why I stopped console gaming last gen. I care about 60 fps because it looks smoother, and believe it or not, contributes to smoother gameplay. Anybody who has played The Last of Us on PS4, and toggled. the 30/60 FPS option would tell you, it's a big difference.

Stop settling for this treatment. Everybody needs to win here.

 

[Rebel Leader]

So is Sony coming to knock down Ubisoft's door and tie them up until they agree to no parity?

So Sony are on it? ICE team or sharp words?

That's all I got from the pic

 

[Chobel]

I'm not.

I'm just saying he's trying to offer a discussion here and saying "Try not to embarrass yourself" isn't a fair way to interact with someone trying to discuss a subject.

Not saying I agree with the dude, because clearly the PS4 isn't only the market leader because of the lower price, otherwise the Xbox One would be performing better since the $399 reeducation (and it's actually performing worse week or week now, no?)

We did say that, and he ignored it.

 

[hawk2025]

I don't appreciate being mocked by someone who's job it is to remain neutral.

The job isn't to remain neutral, though.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

What does that even mean?

"Sony gib me things because MS ruined my game" ?

 

[QuantumZebra]

You want to counter his point with actual reasoning other than trying to mock him?

What happened to "this is a neutral grounds where facts and evidence, presented within the confines of civil, inclusive discourse..."

countering his point?? What point? A sweeping generalization that the only people who bought PS4 did so because of the price?

Oh come the eff on...

 

[Bloodrage]

Only 900p oh no how ever will I enjoy this game.

With glasses, probably. Oh wait.

 

[Zoned]

Assassin's Creed is a boring series to me.

But oh my god I bought Assassin's Creed III, and Black Flag! Which I absolutely hated but I bought cause why not let's try it.

Both of which were subHD (360 version for III and 900p for the One version of Black Flag)

I buy every game on the Market because I'm bored lol. I'm buying DriveClub tomorrow because why not. I bought Smash 3DS because why not. I'll buy this like the I bought the last 2 because... Why not?

What in hell are you trying to say?

 

[Pain]

You want to counter his point with actual reasoning other than trying to mock him?

What happened to "this is a neutral grounds where facts and evidence, presented within the confines of civil, inclusive discourse..."

All it takes is a look at a users post history to get a feel of what kind of agenda a user has.

Hindle is ferociously defending Ubisoft's decision to gimp PS4 version of AC Unty because his favorite console is the Xbox One. If he used valid arguments that weren't completely biased maybe we could take what he says seriously.

 

[Kagari]

I'm not.

I'm just saying he's trying to offer a discussion here and saying "Try not to embarrass yourself" isn't a fair way to interact with someone trying to discuss a subject.

Not saying I agree with the dude, because clearly the PS4 isn't only the market leader because of the lower price, otherwise the Xbox One would be performing better since the $399 reeducation (and it's actually performing worse week or week now, no?)

He keeps ignoring what other people have said to counter his claims.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

So Sony are on it? ICE team or sharp words?

Sharp words should do it.

"Ubisoft, NO.

I said NO.

You bring that resolution back up.

Bad dev. BAD DEV."

 

[hwy_61]

What in hell are you trying to say?

Because why not, I think.

 

[Jigolo]

That June SDK is a BEAST

LOL

 

[Sayter]

If one of the console makers did influence Ubisoft to purposely gimp the port of the game on the competition's console wouldn't that be against the law?

 

[BlackBuzzard]

the difference between 900p and 1080p is so small that if ubisoft didn't say anything, no one would notice except for the ones who make the effort to count the pixels.

Yeah this is such a small difference...

The difference was significant nontheless.

Eurogamer also had an excellent comparison page.

 

[TAJ]

So Sony are on it? ICE team or sharp words?

Sony sends engineers. They change one line of code. 1080p. Back on the next flight.

 

[DOWN]

Boom. Yosp gonna send in da ICE team and fuck some shit up.

Pull a Diablo and tell a third party dev that not hitting 1080p is unacceptable

 

[Pain]

What in hell are you trying to say?

He's trying to say he buys games but he doesn't like them.....waste of money if you ask me..

 

[Hindle]

Umm..no. Ghosts on the PS4 was 1080p compared to 720p on the Xbox One. That's nowhere near close to identical. As far as EA Sports games, that's not really surprising given the genre.

I stand corrected on Cod. It will be interesting to see if other publishers do the same as Ubi with AC. I'm off the opinion that publishers would rather keep the performance and graphics equal.

 

[Krisprolls]

How would they lose XBO customers if the PS4 version is better? There's the few people who own both system's such as myself and there might even be those who might find it the 'last straw' to trade in the system for the other, but I don't see that being a major factor at all. Generally people will stick to the system that suits their needs best, both in hardware and social environment, and I don't see a non-1080p Unity is going to make people jump ship all of a sudden when:

1) The marketing is favorable for the Xbox One platform

2) There are likely other titles (Halo, COD) in conjunction with social elements driving their investment of that system.

3) The PS4 is already a major leader

Also: What does it matter in the bottom-line overall which port sold better?

Ubi clearly thought it was better like that ( = they would earn more money) otherwise why would they do that ?

They want to "avoid debates" it just doesn't make sense to gimp your own game to "avoid debates". They obviously think they make more money that way. Or MS gave them money... Or there were threats from MS.

They think PS4 owners won't care. Unfortunately, it seems they were wrong.

 

[David___]

What in hell are you trying to say?

MS treats him well

Spoiler

/s

 

[Bad_Boy]

This thread is just heating up.

I cant wait for a ubisoft response to gamers reaction to this. Good lord I hope they respond.


Edit: even /r/ps4 is blowing up. To say the least a debate is exactly what ubisoft is getting.

 

[DOWN]

The job isn't to remain neutral, though.

It sure is Ubi's if your customers on the more popular system would have been better off.

The difference was significant nontheless.

Eurogamer also had an excellent comparison page.

Ubi getting away with murder on Unity

Spoiler

/s probably

 

[CLEEK]

If one of the console makers did influence Ubisoft to purposely gimp the port of the game on the competition's console wouldn't that be against the law?

I've tweeted the FBI about it already.

 

[ramuh]

What in hell are you trying to say?

That he's gots lots of money.. and cuz Why Not?

 

[Suikoguy]

This thread is just heating up.

I cant wait for a ubisoft response to gamers reaction to this. Good lord I hope they respond.

http://kotaku.com/ac-unity-will-have-same-specs-on-xbox-one-and-ps4-to-av-1643054770

 

[Chobel]

Actually it does.

"I'm listening...."?

 

[Lion Heart]

Ubisoft: #ForthePayers

 

[Pathfinder]

All it takes is a look at a users post history to get a feel of what kind of agenda a user has.

Hindle is ferociously defending Ubisoft's decision to gimp PS4 version of AC Unty because his favorite console is the Xbox One. If he used valid arguments that weren't completely biased maybe we could take what he says seriously.

Wait a second... you're talking down to someone because of their agenda, when your agenda here has clearly been how great the PS4 is and how developers should spend extra time making the PS4 version superior, and how it won't cost them extra money to do so?

How is that fair?

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

All it takes is a look at a users post history to get a feel of what kind of agenda a user has.

Hindle is ferociously defending Ubisoft's decision to gimp PS4 version of AC Unty because his favorite console is the Xbox One. If he used valid arguments that weren't completely biased maybe we could take what he says seriously.

Hindle isnt even defending it. He just trys to twist everything into a narrative thats beneficial to Microsoft.

Half the time his posts make no sense. He has already said he thinks that most multiplats will have parity like the past year hasnt shown that the vast majority do not.

 

[Pain]

Only 900p oh no how ever will I enjoy this game.

Might as well play it on 360 or PS3 if you don't care about power.

 

[Stallion Dan]

What if all games with a MS advertising deal will require parity? Part of the deal etc

 

[Sayter]

I've tweeted the FBI about it already.

Nark!

 

[Trago]

* MS are marketing AC:Unity.
* Post-Mattrick, MS have made great effort to close performance gap.
* MS told Blizzard it was 'unacceptable' for Diablo to not match the PS4 in performance.
* MS enforces parity for release dates and features with indies.
* MS are happy to spend money to impact competitors versions (buying exclusivity etc).
* 3½ months ago, Ubi announces the PS4 version was targeting 1080p/60.

YOU DO THE MATH.

This is fucking embarrassing to read. While I agree that the reasoning is complete bullshit, saying that one of the competitors payed one of their publishing partners to reduce the quality of their own product on their competitor's platform is ridiculous.