res is gpu based not cpu based they didnt say they lowered res because of the cpu, they just said they had a hard time with the AI because of them. educate yourself before commenting.
Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One
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res is gpu based not cpu based they didnt say they lowered res because of the cpu, they just said they had a hard time with the AI because of them. educate yourself before commenting.
Sorry, I did not understand the gun ownership issue nor the complaint filing issue.
I don't think it matters too much.
geordiemp
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No. 180 more lines and also more columns, its about 44 %.
44 % improvement is a big difference, and with 1080p native Tv's at 50 inch and above it is easily noticeable.
On Ps4 I have one 900p game, watchdogs, and it looks like crap compared to the others.
Creed is one of those games where part of the attraction is the vistas / gorgeous historical environments. It its going to look crap compared to say shadow of mordor then I will buy that instead.
Creed is competing against other Ps4 games that want my money, and they will all be 1080p and look better.
Chinbo37
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Let's not take this too far off topic.
I think everyone can appreciate the following
If I buy a system I expect the dev to take reasonable measures to ensure that games I buy play, look and run well on that system. In this case the Dev has deliberately made the game look worse because of the influence of another St system, and I just can't agree with that approach.
I think everyone can appreciate the following
If I buy a system I expect the dev to take reasonable measures to ensure that games I buy play, look and run well on that system. In this case the Dev has deliberately made the game look worse because of the influence of another St system, and I just can't agree with that approach.
Yes, exactly. That is why I find it weird. If the CPU is to slow for the AI why should lowering the resolution help?
mugurumakensei
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No, it's not. They have no obligation to use the extra power for fanboy wars especially since, if you really cared about performance and not platform loyalty, youd buy the highest end haswell-e processor, dual titan zs, 32 gigs of ddr4 ram and call it a day for the next 7-8 years. of course, at that point, no game can really push that kind of hardware anyway outside of massive supersampling. No developer would want to spend the time ironing out all the quirks to enable such a high-end mode. a similar thing happens here where they have a deadline to contend with. Too many differences would mean having to seperately performance test on two platforms. It gets the title out in the least amount of time to target the xbox one then if they have enough time add extra to the ps4 version.
Larogue
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900p is just perfect balance, less demanding than 1080p, yet looks exactly the same (remember how everyone thought XB1's Shadow of Mordor was 1080p until Digital_Foundry did test the pixels using advanced techniques to find out its 900p).
900p allows developers to spend more resources on AI, AA, high textures, shadows, and lightning, without the visible jaggies of 720p.
900p allows developers to spend more resources on AI, AA, high textures, shadows, and lightning, without the visible jaggies of 720p.
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So two of the biggest 3rd party releases of the year (Destiny, Unity) have basically the same graphics on both consoles and the two competing racing games (Forza, Driveclub) have comparable graphics arguably. On top of that all the big sports games look more or less the same and when the new COD comes out, it's likely to be pretty close as well. From a mass-market gamer's perspective who only buy the big releases, any differences between the consoles seems totally overblown and almost non-existent so far this generation...
You're right I mixed up their explanations. I'm sorry.
It was just a joke, nthing to worry about.
EA said it was impossible for SimCity to be played offline.
Chinbo37
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No one is arguing your general point. But what if the dev could easily bump the game to 1080p without sacrificing the other aspects of the game, would you agree that they should?
Tidus_Great
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he posts on the UBI forum. he's crazy and accepts minimal quality. nuff said.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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This is bad and disappointing.
nelsonroyale
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I wouldn't say so there at all...DC seems to be simulating much more under the hood so to speak.
Microsoft said you couldnt just turn the drm off.
I understand what you are trying to say next, but this is not my point. If the game would've been 1080p on PS4, this thread would not existI don't think people had much confidence in their pre-order if a technical decision gets them to cancel it. Again, I understand the concern and the message by Ubi here is pretty ... Unlucky.
Well when you have someone from Ubi admitting to purposely wanting both to look the same, knowing the PS4 has a performance advantage, it's going to cause a stir.
The context is from the PES 2015 thread:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=132120488&postcount=998
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=132121433&postcount=1019
I don't actually
mugurumakensei
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Thing is, we dont know if they could. Bumping at the resolution does not just affect gpu unless all your physic calcs are also on the gpu but then that leaves less gpu power for the resolution bump.
eso76
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There was obviously some pressure from MS, they surely wouldn't come up and say "hey, we had to remove textures and framerate is a bit on the shit side, but we got the game to run at 900p on X1 !"
And again, when they say "we locked them at the same specs" they don't mean "we nerfed PS4 version". Poor wording, maybe, but it would only make sense from a PR pov, that what they meant is actually "we are not lazy devs and we optimized the X1 version until it matched PS4".
What people insist on seeing is "PS4 version was sacrificed !" while it's probably the X1 version that ultimately was, in that it might run worse than devs intended because of people's addiction to resolution talks.
"ZOMG, M$ are paying off GAF mods now!"
thatmariolover
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That's simply not true. It's 44% less pixels, and it's a pretty significant difference if you look at them side-by-side. Look at the difference in the PS4 version of AC4 when it was 900p vs when the patch came out and increased the resolution to 1080p.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps4-ac4-patch-analysed-in-depth
Maybe a lack of self confidence/esteem? or possibly the old 'troll needs attention cuz ignored IRL" thing? But yeah, whatever the reason, it is embarrassing, just like that whole ubisoft forum thread.
I remember a website saying it was 1080p but I also remember a lot of ppl including myself saying it didnt look 1080p, so what theory can I debunk next ?
FF Seraphim
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I do not know if this is a serious post or not...
Since the reason why Destiny and Unity look the game stems from the fact that the Devs are not pushing the PS4 hardware...
We know for a fact Ubi is gimping the PS4. As for DriveClub and Forza well, I guess that is personal preference? Not sure but the environments in DC are amazing.
Fixed.
I think I might be able to get a PC promo copy from a friend in retail. Meaning I could assess the awfulness without paying a single cent to those surrender monkeys.
Yeah I really cant argue with that, although what I will say is that resolution is just the topic of choice atm as it shows the power difference that many people want to see due the specs that have do get banded around. If devs had decide to go for resolution parity I think any of the techniques you mentioned would be the hot topic of the moment. GTA Global Illumination on PS4 vs XBONE or wateva.
But yeah I totally get your point and totally agree.
Very true!
I'd love to know what he was thinking when he made the statement to be honest. You gotta be pretty naive to think that saying something like that would end up with a less rabid reaction from enthusiasts.
Chinbo37
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Right that's fine, but the dev is basically saying they didn't even try because the wanted both versions to look the same. Fine that is their choice but I also have the right to complain about such an approach.
No they didn't.
Everyone (here) was saying it looked like 900p except Gamespot who said it was 1080p.
GarbageBear
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Not buying this now.
And I own every console AC game.
Locking shit to prevent 'debates'?
That's seriously infantile.
And I own every console AC game.
Locking shit to prevent 'debates'?
That's seriously infantile.
Larogue
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No, that wasn't simply a 1080p vs 900p scenario. They improved the Anti-Aliasing and also the texture in some cases.
If you want pure 1080p vs 900p go look at the Shadow of Mordor comparison.
Could have just said both are 900p and left it to DF to find PS4 has extra textures etc. It would have caused less of a shit storm then what they said.
eso76
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lol, sorry
Yeah, probably but boycotting a game/company because of something that, i'd imagine, just didn't come across as intended ?
This is getting ridiculous, guys. People saying "it's our duty to boycott this kind of shit, otherwise who will teach them !" and people wanting to throw their Surface pro 3 away because MS is bad.
Let's boycott shit games, shit monetization policies etc. but let's stop making resolution the #1 priority.
If anything, this is one of the things that's poisoning today's industry.
Unfortunately with the XB1 their hardware design is a major issue with resolution which is why so many games fail to reach that mark as opposed to the PS4. There is no reason why the PS4 version should be locked and not utilized because it has a vastly superior hardware design when it comes to the GPU and memory.
Developers have an obligation to make the best possible game on the hardware they are working with and that is not happening here, at least in the PS4's case.
OdysseusVA
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I feel this may be a joke post, but can't be sure.
A screen from the Xbone was posted in the OT before DF'S Face-Off and many people, including myself, knew it had failed to hit 1080p.
GarbageBear
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lol, sorry
2 kyoot.
What point? What whining? Who are you talking to?
Are you just mashing random words?
How did my post prove your point since I just highlighted how you completely missed the point? And you still do.
DeviantBoi
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I was reading the IGN's article regarding Ubi's statement and it said that "Ubisoft has now clarified Pontbriand's words".
No it didn't - it issued a statement that contradicted Pontbriand's words.
No it didn't - it issued a statement that contradicted Pontbriand's words.
DustyVonEric
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What's sad is you don't understand the issue, or are willfully ignorant of it.
Like I posted earlier in the thread, I've been gaming since Atari. So if the game was 720p, I wouldn't care if that is the game the devs intended to make.
However I and apparently others are not going to support a company that would lock specs to "avoid debates and stuff".
It's already been shown that the Ubi pr release is bs. 900p / 30fps were not always the goal, when it was stated earlier they were targeting 1080p / 60.
They may not have been able to reach it which is fine. But they should try to keep their stories straight at the very least. And preferably use each machine to the best of Ubi's ability.
I stressed "Ubi's" ability, because I doubt too many devs are going to use the consoles' full capabilities other than 1st or 2nd parties.
Ubi's comments to their costumers seems to imply that they stopped short in their efforts in order to "avoid debates and stuff ". A silly thing to do in a crowded holiday season, with all those games and other goodies outside our hobby fighting for our money, when maybe Ubi should be pushing each console to help their game stand out. But that's Ubi's business. We don't have to like it or accept it.
Realistically, canceling preorders and lower sales is probably the only way we as consumers can tell these companies this is not acceptable. Especially when you have some supposed media professionals not understanding the issue and calling consumers "butthurt" over this development.
If you are interested in this game and have no issue with the practice, then no one should fault you for buying the game. Just as others who don't agree with Ubi's tactic will put their money elsewhere. I don't have a lot of money, so it goes to the games that I feel try hard to earn my money. If I feel a game is lacking, or phoned in, or somehow compromised, I won't buy it.
My issue with your comments is you say that you understand the concern, yet go on to ask if people only care about resolution these days. This leads me to think that you really don't understand the concern and do believe this to be simply about resolution. It is not.
Edit: and I know that you're a dev. So I don't know if you're looking at this from a consumer's point of view. Instead of making light of all this, maybe use this as a cautionary tale of how to not handle customers.
It's pretty infantile to not play a game you know you'll love because of something happening behind the scenes
You liked Assassins Creed 1 though 3 in 720, i'm pretty sure a new Assassins Creed in 900p will be perfectly enjoyable
I think he must be kidding around , he cant be that oblivious to the point being made.
Yay another person that seems to completely miss the point.
Canis lupus
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Except resolution is GPU bound not CPU. Try doing your homework instead of being embarrassed to be part of a group next time.
Is there a point to your comment because I don't see any. The console is in our hands, specs are final, 32 ROPs is indeed resulting in 1080p gaming on PS4, you're comparing that to promises made for an unfinished product 18 months before it came out?
"You know what all this stuff isn't? Important"
Why did you enter this thread then?
Am I missing something? Their statement made last night clarifies that they didn't lower the specs for any one system...
"We understand how Senior Producer Vincent Pontbriand's quotes have been misinterpreted. To set the record straight, we did not lower the specs for Assassin's Creed Unity to account for any one system over the other.
Assassin's Creed Unity has been engineered from the ground up for next-generation consoles. Over the past 4 years, we have created Assassin's Creed Unity to attain the tremendous level of quality we have now achieved on Xbox One, PlayStation 4 and PC. It's a process of building up toward our goals, not scaling down, and we're proud to say that we have reached those goals on all SKUs.
At no point did we decide to reduce the ambitions of any SKU. All benefited from the full dedication of all of our available optimization resources to help them reach the level of quality we have today with the core Assassin's Creed Unity experience."
Please, if I am missing something, explain how this doesn't clear things up?
"We understand how Senior Producer Vincent Pontbriand's quotes have been misinterpreted. To set the record straight, we did not lower the specs for Assassin's Creed Unity to account for any one system over the other.
Assassin's Creed Unity has been engineered from the ground up for next-generation consoles. Over the past 4 years, we have created Assassin's Creed Unity to attain the tremendous level of quality we have now achieved on Xbox One, PlayStation 4 and PC. It's a process of building up toward our goals, not scaling down, and we're proud to say that we have reached those goals on all SKUs.
At no point did we decide to reduce the ambitions of any SKU. All benefited from the full dedication of all of our available optimization resources to help them reach the level of quality we have today with the core Assassin's Creed Unity experience."
Please, if I am missing something, explain how this doesn't clear things up?
My point was not playing something you know you'll enjoy to make a point that no one who makes the games will hear or care about, is cutting off your nose to spite your face
And I really dont get how someone could miss the point...
It is not the number of the resolution. Dont focus on 1080p or 900p. That is not the point. Focus on the parity part.
We didnt have 130 pages of debate when Watchdogs was announced running at 900p and 30 fps on PS4... (although we had 130 pages for the PC parity part lol)
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