Codes4Food
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Ummm.....no. They don't have any obligation. They can make a game how they wish.
Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One
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Ummm.....no. They don't have any obligation. They can make a game how they wish.
boredandlazy
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And we can make the choice as to whether that product is worth spending our money on.
DeviantBoi
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bigwinnerx
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But if 10,000 people or 100,000 make that same point...
And their statement above doesn't say anything except they still couldn't be bothered to tune to the systems and just are using the lowest common denominator system as a benchmark.
EventHorizon
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Really??? REALLY!?! You never heard of the word 'boycott'?
Pssst, it's a time honored means of protest. Look it up.
They wont care or hear about it ??? have you seen twitter or this forum or that fact ubisoft and made 2 statements since and have also said now after all they havent set the specs in stone yet? Cos to me that seems like they have noticed.
SolidSnakex
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I understand what you are trying to say next, but this is not my point. If the game would've been 1080p on PS4, this thread would not existI don't think people had much confidence in their pre-order if a technical decision gets them to cancel it. Again, I understand the concern and the message by Ubi here is pretty ... Unlucky.
The problem is it looked more like a political decision than a technical one.
How's microsoft treating ya, btw?
GarbageBear
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How are you people not getting this?
It isn't about the game's specs, OK?
This isn't about resolutions.
This is about whether or not you want to support a company being too afraid to really do the best they can on the hardware they are working on.
It can be reasonably assumed, due to X1's development history, that the X1 held them back.
So rather than doing the best they can on PS4, they became afraid and equalized at the lowest point they could.
With all the garbage that happens in the games industry, is this really something you want to support?
You really want to always end up with an inferior product so that a specific company can wipe their hands of 'debates'?
geordiemp
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No. I can be easily fooled on web sites between 900p and 1080p using my laptop for browsing. I can also be fooled by 30 vs 60 FPS on such sites.
However, on a living room TV at 50 inch display its night and day.
900p can go and die already in 2014.
You are right, and we as consumers can discuss it and not purchase said product because of this as we wish.
Yes because who can forget all the major publishers brought to their knees by boycotts
SquiddyCracker
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I think it's probably a good idea.
Now all the reviewers can focus less on the resolution & framerate differences, and more on the actual gameplay.
Now all the reviewers can focus less on the resolution & framerate differences, and more on the actual gameplay.
TalentBurke
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Riiiiight, they're in the wrong business if that's not their obligation. They're not the ones pouring their own money into developing the games and they're not the ones buying the games they've made. So yeah they better feel obligated to make the best game possible. You can guess what will happen when they don't.
They should have the ambition to do the best they can.
This whole topic just smells like ubisoft went 900p/relatively stable 30fps on PS4 and then stopped optimizing for the sake of other plattforms.
Itchy//Tasty
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I'm just...I'm just here for the gifs.
Yes but the theory really is only maybe half or two thirds of it.
Codes4Food
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Actually the resolution can be affected by CPU and ram. Graphics draw calls are made on the CPU. If the CPU is maxed out then the additional draw calls to up the resolution may not fit.
It worked on MS and there launch plans right , or are you just here to be the contrary fairy?
Firmus_Anguis
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True... They can do what they want. But not without consequences. People will start boycotting their games (as evidenced by this thread) until they get their act together and rightly so.
I agree the second doesn't address the first outright. But I'm reading this second statement as an address to the backlash from the gaming community.
They are already backtracking. If people making noise made no difference then guess what, there wouldn't be a SimCity offline mode etc...
If us making noise had no effect, they wouldn't have even commented. I bet Amazon is on the phone with Ubisoft going WTF is up with all these cancelled pre-orders. Sending a message works.
geordiemp
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Many publishers and games have flopped or done poorly due to poor implementation and image due to word of mouth / social media / web sites.
This is in effect boycotting - there is no official campaign = how can there be ?
I am confident if Unity releases at 900p on Ps4 its sales will be down.
How do you know the game does not look better on PS4? Where has this been declined? The original Ubi statement only refers to the resolution and fps. Everything else is just something people add on their own here. I fully expect the game to have some better shadow maps, effects or maybe even a better AA solution on PS4. If this is not the case, I get your statement. But until that, the only thing people are concerned about for nearly 130 pages is the resolution.
That depends on the game engine. Some favor the CPU more than others.
Omnipunctual Godot
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So, you are saying you do not understand the purpose of boycotts, and the fact that some people would deny themselves pleasure and convenience because they believe the principles to be more important?
In regard to this game and resolution, it has already been explained at least three times in the last two pages that CPU does not affect resolution.
The 130 pages is because of shit like Ubisoft directly saying "we went for parity because we didn't want there to be debate n' stuff". It's just a really bad way to try to deal with it. They said "parity", not just "equal resolution". The word parity indicates that both versions will be the same.
They could see that course of action was going to ruin them, so they opted out, the difference is that was something everyone cared about
Most people that play AC:U won't know or care what resolution it runs in, and would buy it even if it was in 720, because they don't know about that kind of stuff, and they'll have fun with it, we're the minority that do care, and we can boycott all we like it won't make any difference
gamechanger87
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Both consoles have terrible CPUs and it will be a problem all generation.
Also, developers do not have an obligation to make the best looking game possible on the hardware. They have an obligation to develop a game within a budget and under time constraints. Developers create games to make money not flame fanboy willy wagging contests.
Battlefields hardline.
I guess since you've accepted money from Microsoft for parity, then you don't need mines. You have already been compensated, I don't see a point in paying you a 2nd time. Glad I own a decent PC for occasions like these.
Handy Fake
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Impeccable
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Well, at least it isn't another post quoting Kampfheld's cloud stuff.
Yeah and people have no obligation to buy them. Some people actually care if their game is intentionally gimped and refuse to buy it on principle. It's a video game. A luxury purchase. There is nothing weird about allowing something like that to keep you from buying the game.
duessano
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They dont have an obligation to do jack shit and we dont have an obligation to by the game, lets make that clear even though I feel its bullshit to keep the game the same resolution on both systems.
SolidSnakex
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At this point we really aren't going to know about what level of parity we're talking about. One thing we do know is that the game was only demoed on the Xbox One at that recent press event. We also know that the performance was apparently pretty damn bad, to the point that several sites have expressed concern about whether or not it's even possible for them to fix it by the time that it releases. If the PS4 version has the same performance issues as the Xbox One version, then we know that it's full parity and not just resolution. And that would also mean that they didn't do much to optimize it for the PS4.
Videogamer.com was only allowed to see the Xbox One version, but UBI told them that both versions were the same. And that's quite concerning considering what they and other sites have said about Unity's performance at the event.
I hadn't read through this entire topic yet but someone posted this on reddit lol:
Not saying I necessarily agree with it but....lol.
GAF->Reddit->GAF
I would argue the opposite. Denying yourself something you would enjoy because you don't agree with "something happening behind the scenes" is called standing for your principles.
Shrugging your shoulders in favor of instant gratification is far more infantile in my opinion.
martino
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Will make speak more people that don't care about the actual game than others.
It's infantile to make value judgements based on the information presented to you?
If devs start making PS4 games look worse so as not to outshine the Xbone versions, then when the devs that don't "hold back" push the PS4 they will surely blow away the other games on PS4
In a time where good graphics are so important and such a selling point, it doesn't make sense to tone your graphics down unless you have to, Ubisoft won't want their line up of games on both consoles looking bad compared to the games from devs that are pushing the PS4 to its limit
In a time where good graphics are so important and such a selling point, it doesn't make sense to tone your graphics down unless you have to, Ubisoft won't want their line up of games on both consoles looking bad compared to the games from devs that are pushing the PS4 to its limit
Having principles and standards of business is infantile?
DustyVonEric
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No we are concerned with locked specs to avoid debates and stuff. That's pretty clear.
Locked specs for political reasons. That should raise a red flag for any gamer right now.
Stone Ocean
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And it's infantile to think I need a game so badly that I should support a company that is giving me the middle finger for whatever reason.
TheRossatron
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I hadn't read through this entire topic yet but someone posted this on reddit (probably from gaf) lol:
Not saying I necessarily agree with it but....lol.
Brilliant! lol
Regarding all the furore Im expecting the least to happen .... a post launch resolution patch for Ps4
I'm pretty sure that the people suggesting Ubi have deliberately lowered the resolution are being facetious; the far more plausible conclusion is that Ubi are simply choosing not to increase the resolution on the PS4, even though there's good reason to think that it should be able to handle the game at 1080p.
That's why Ubi's response doesn't really address the question. Nobody is seriously accusing them of lowering the PS4's resolution, only of not increasing it even though they can.
Or to put it another way, given that we know that the PS4 is ~50% more powerful than the Xbone in the area that matters here (rendering performance), why is their "goal" for the PS4 version the same as the much weaker Xbone version? It's a bit like the referee of a boxing match insisting that the boxer who is clearly bigger and more skilled ties their hand behind their back in order to avoid discussion about who's the better fighter.
It does make sense to tone your graphics down when the party who has something to lose from you not doing it is paying you boatloads of money.
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