Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One

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Kagoshima_Luke said:
Wait, wait, wait...people are actually defending Ubi on this issue?

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as surprising as it is, this is one of the most clearly lopsided issues that has come up

over 100 pages and like two people defending them
 
Pennywise83 said:
This is not really an anti-consumer policy, sorry.

I do not really care about the issue, but I was reading the thread to keep me updated on gaming news. If a company is willingly developing a game such that it is 900p and let consumers know this (which is what is happening here, really), there is not infringement of consumers' right.

Then consumers can protest, but no rights have been infringed here. Lazy companies exist, and always existed. If this is such a big issue, consumers will not buy the product. My feeling is that those complaining are just a vocal minority.
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When their reasoning towards ps4 owners for not increasing the resolution is essentially "fuck you", then it's definitely anti-consumer.
 
You know what is the one thing that pisses me off?

Devs should make the best out of each platform

You entitled prick, you can't expect that out of AAAAAAA publishers with a 769 gorillion dollars budget

I can see why you wouldn't ask that from From Software or Platinum Games but UBISOFT?
 
Paracelsus said:
You know what is the one thing that pisses me off?

Devs should make the best out of each platform

You entitled prick, you can't expect that out of AAAAAAA publishers with a 769 gorillion dollars budget

I can see why you wouldn't ask that from From Software or Platinum Games but UBISOFT?
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Hey, just think what would happen to their bank balance if they got the work experience kid to spend 5 minutes adjusting the ui to look right at 1080p.
 
This thread!

Is anyone collating all of the names of people cancelling their so called pre-orders? Would be interesting to know how many of them turn up in the OT claiming the game is great.
 
SapientWolf said:
Ubi's statement makes it sound like it's a marketing decision, and not a development decision. Which implies that the game runs at 1080p just fine on the PS4 without any additional development, but they will launch it at 900p so the XB1 version has parity. Artificially decreasing the quality of a product in such a manner is very anti-consumer. If that's not the case then they're welcome to clarify, but so far they've only released an empty statement that offers no further insight to the situation.

If a company does something anti consumer, and consumers don't react to it, then it may become an acceptable practice. And jobbing a port is not an acceptable practice for the game industry.
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No, it's not.

A company can release any product with any decided level of quality without being anti-consumer, as long as the product does not harm the consumers themselves, or try to fool them. If Ubisoft will release the PS4 game with "1080p" on the box, then it would be anti-consumer; now, Ubisoft is plainly saying that the game will not be 1080p.

Knowing that, a consumer is able to decide whether to buy the product or not. Hence, it all bodes down to the willingness to pay for the product; if you are not willing to pay full price for the game on PS4, then you can just wait a price decrease, or just buy another game that supports your desired resolution.

You cannot find your definition of anti-consumer practice in any competition authority case, or any legal context. Don't mistake being anti-consumer with being lazy or just offering a product that might not be liked by a part of the userbase.

Then, of course consumers can protest, as they did with SimCity. This case and the SimCity one are similar; anti-consumer was, instead, the RROD. Paymium games are borderline but still not anti-consumers (they should be better regulated though).

King_Moc said:
When their reasoning towards ps4 owners for not increasing the resolution is essentially "fuck you", then it's definitely anti-consumer.
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Show me in which legal system this can be considered anti-consumer. This is just a company releasing a lazy product, for a variety of reasons. Ubisoft is not trying to fool you (actually, it's stating crystal clear what the resolution will be), nor it is going to harm you directly.
 
MarkMclovin said:
This thread!

Is anyone collating all of the names of people cancelling their so called pre-orders? Would be interesting to know how many of them turn up in the OT claiming the game is great.
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Why don't you make the list you'll be a hero.

Start with me, PSN is Flawless1984, Platinum'd a whole bunch of the series including Black Flag, cancelled yesterday because of this.
 
SuicidalSteve said:
backtracking badly
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"Guys, listen, we're sorry! Please, come back to us & buy our game!"

Too late now, Ubisoft. No one's falling for it. Maybe next time, you won't gimp PS4 versions of games just to please Microsoft.

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God bless twitter shit storms
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Impeccable said:
I'm sure it is.

What is hilarious is all of this is all the mocking of cancelling pre-orders and laughing at internet outrage still after the launch of the Xbox One. Honestly, the amount of people who still don't believe that social media is a very powerful tool with the ability to cripple a product pre-release is absolutely staggering.

Then again, I guess it probably feels pretty good to mock people. Gives people a warm feeling inside to laugh at people who are upset and taking a stand against something they feel is wrong and unwarranted. Shouldn't expect anything less when a large amount of people still think this is about resolution.
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I agree; thank heavens for social media. They would've most likely gotten away with it if not for that.
 
Just ordered Mordor with the money from my cancelled preorder for Unity.

This right here is precisely why publishers should feel compelled to make their games as good as possible in each and every system they are released on. When there's competition in the form of other games from other publishers, consumers are not just going to put up with intentionally gimped products when there are other games in the same system that strive to make use of said hardware to the fullest. Consumers will simply flock to whatever the competition is offering if it's better; your game doesn't exist in a vacuum, and in PS4 in particular people are very used to 1080p as a standard to accept a resolution of 900p for such bullshit reasons.

Hopefully Unity takes a big hit in sales and this whole fiasco makes Ubisoft and every other publisher out there receive the message loud and clear. Parity is a horrible thing.
 
Pennywise83 said:
No, it's not.

A company can release any product with any decided level of quality without being anti-consumer, as long as the product does not harm the consumers themselves, or try to fool them. If Ubisoft will release the PS4 game with "1080p" on the box, then it would be anti-consumer; now, Ubisoft is plainly saying that the game will not be 1080p.

Knowing that, a consumer is able to decide whether to buy the product or not. Hence, it all bodes down to the willingness to pay for the product; if you are not willing to pay full price for the game on PS4, then you can just wait a price decrease, or just buy another game that supports your desired resolution.

You cannot find your definition of anti-consumer practice in any competition authority case, or any legal context. Don't mistake being anti-consumer with being lazy or just offering a product that might not be liked by a part of the userbase.

Then, of course consumers can protest, as they did with SimCity. This case and the SimCity one are similar; anti-consumer was, instead, the RROD. Paymium games are borderline but still not anti-consumers (they should be better regulated though).



Show me in which legal system this can be considered anti-consumer. This is just a company releasing a lazy product, for a variety of reasons. Ubisoft is not trying to fool you (actually, it's stating crystal clear what the resolution will be), nor it is going to harm you directly.
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While it may not be legally anti-consumer, the way it all blew up and the fact that the statement pretty much reflects that there's some ugly shit happening behind curtains, doesn't really make the whole ordeal that much pro-consumer.
 
MarkMclovin said:
This thread!

Is anyone collating all of the names of people cancelling their so called pre-orders? Would be interesting to know how many of them turn up in the OT claiming the game is great.
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You can write my name down and stick a pin in it I just took the money from that and dumped it on batman arkham knight.
 
SMZC said:
Just ordered Mordor with the money from my cancelled preorder for Unity.

This right here is precisely why publishers should feel compelled to make their games as good as possible in each and every system they are released on. When there's competition in the form of other games from other publishers, consumers are not just going to put up with intentionally gimped products when there are other games in the same system that strive to make use of said hardware to the fullest. Consumers will simply flock to whatever the competition is offering if it's better; your game doesn't exist in a vacuum, and in PS4 in particular people are very used to 1080p as a standard to accept a resolution of 900p for such bullshit reasons.

Hopefully Unity takes a big hit in sales and this whole fiasco makes Ubisoft and every other publisher out there receive the message loud and clear. Parity is a horrible thing.
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It won't happen. Look at Watch Dogs. The internet was raging about the downgrade and it broke record in sales. We are not taking about that Kony guy here. We are taking about some pixels. The vast majority of gamers won't care about any of this and still buy the game. Would I prefer 1080p? Absolutely. Will I deny myself the game so I can "show Ubisoft who wears the pants"? Lol fuck no.
 
Maybe Unity and other xb1 games near 900p should use the weird resolution halo 2 anniversary is using.

So ps4 can be 1080p and XB1 can be "1080p"


Better PR.
 
Pennywise83 said:
Show me in which legal system this can be considered anti-consumer. This is just a company releasing a lazy product, for a variety of reasons. Ubisoft is not trying to fool you (actually, it's stating crystal clear what the resolution will be), nor it is going to harm you directly.
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It is nearly the definition of anti-consumer.

Being a consumer is about having choice in the market. You plant your stake in a company based on the differences it offers in relation to the competition. If every dev takes steps to "avoid all the debates and stuff" and forces parity, they're effectively nullifying your choice and creating a market where all that exists is an illusion of choice.

It doesn't have to be completely surreptitious to be anti-consumer. (And you're assuming that they've laid out the truth in whole without keeping anything back, which is likely not a safe assumption.)
 
Pennywise83 said:
No, it's not.

A company can release any product with any decided level of quality without being anti-consumer, as long as the product does not harm the consumers themselves, or try to fool them. If Ubisoft will release the PS4 game with "1080p" on the box, then it would be anti-consumer; now, Ubisoft is plainly saying that the game will not be 1080p.

Knowing that, a consumer is able to decide whether to buy the product or not. Hence, it all bodes down to the willingness to pay for the product; if you are not willing to pay full price for the game on PS4, then you can just wait a price decrease, or just buy another game that supports your desired resolution.

You cannot find your definition of anti-consumer practice in any competition authority case, or any legal context. Don't mistake being anti-consumer with being lazy or just offering a product that might not be liked by a part of the userbase.

Then, of course consumers can protest, as they did with SimCity. This case and the SimCity one are similar; anti-consumer was, instead, the RROD. Paymium games are borderline but still not anti-consumers (they should be better regulated though).



Show me in which legal system this can be considered anti-consumer. This is just a company releasing a lazy product, for a variety of reasons. Ubisoft is not trying to fool you (actually, it's stating crystal clear what the resolution will be), nor it is going to harm you directly.
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If you apply the legal definition of anti-consumer to this scenario, you'll get whatever answer the law specifically defines as anti-consumer.

If you use common sense, you can appreciate that it is completely anti-consumer to deprive PS4 owners of a higher specification on AC Unity due to the competitive platform's shortcomings. You'll also maybe see that you don't need to have it stand up in court to validate the feeling of getting shafted by a company who makes these sort of arbitrary decisions.

If you're argument is that AC Unity parity is not anti-consumer because it won't stand up in court, well then you're basically arguing that PS4 consumers aren't getting fucked over, which they are. Legal application aside, there is an anti-consumer element that is clearly at play in this scenario. If you have a better name for it, offer it by all means (edit: I guess you're calling it 'lazy port', which it isn't because AC4 was 1080p post release, the company is neither lazy, nor are they porting it to PS4) You also seem to be ignoring the words that cannot be taken back, the Ubi exec said they are at parity to "avoid debates and stuff". The word that comes to my mind is anti-consumer when thinking of arbitrarily gimping one SKU to accommodate the capabilities of an entirely different, competing platform.
 
MarkMclovin said:
This thread!

Is anyone collating all of the names of people cancelling their so called pre-orders? Would be interesting to know how many of them turn up in the OT claiming the game is great.
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It's a bit of a pathetic endeavour because things change, but why don't you go ahead and do it yourself if you like?
 
Sn4ke_911 said:
Ahhahaha, that backpedaling.
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I would crack up if they increased the ps4 to 1080p and other parts of the image took a shit. Like the framerate was worse or something. Then it might actually send a message to whining gamers that think it's just resolution that makes up a better quality game and. Moving image
 
What? How is limiting the ps4 going to stop the "debate stuff" and then announcing this fact to the world somehow wouldn't start a big debate and lead to people thinking your incompetent? What a dumb thing to say after doing something that is equally as dumb as limiting the game on the ps4.
 
MarkMclovin said:
This thread!

Is anyone collating all of the names of people cancelling their so called pre-orders? Would be interesting to know how many of them turn up in the OT claiming the game is great.
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Well, I didn't preorder the game, but my mild interest in the game's been dashed and I'm definitely not going to buy it now. I was on the fence, thinking about it, but supporting Ubisoft doing this kind of thing is too much.
 
AgentP said:
Without consoles no one would make PC games. All the $$$ is in consoles.
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Like everybody has already said that's not even closely true, PC already has his exclusives and some multiplatform games sell pretty well on PC too, plus if there weren't no more consoles on the market then everybody, publisher and consumers, would move straight to PC, cause the videogames hunger is huge, and PC would fill the consoles hole perfectly.
 
Aces&Eights said:
It won't happen. Look at Watch Dogs. The internet was raging about the downgrade and it broke record in sales. We are not taking about that Kony guy here. We are taking about some pixels. The vast majority of gamers won't care about any of this and still buy the game. Would I prefer 1080p? Absolutely. Will I deny myself the game so I can "show Ubisoft who wears the pants"? Lol fuck no.
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Actually it isn't that difficult really. I am very bored with the AC formula. I haven't even finished AC Black Flag. I was hoping this would switch up the series, along with some fancy graphics. Looks like it might, although it hasn't been previewing that well. On the other hand there are a number of games out at the same time and AC is always expendable. Ubi are a pretty fly with the anti-customer stuff, so it is no shakes of my skin to take my custom elsewhere.
 
Zombie James said:
What an idiotic, reactionary, incompetent company.
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or, you know, their designers are french and speak off-the-cuff in interviews in a way that isn't native to them and people jump on quotes they read online like it's the definitive word of the god of gaming when it's just as likely he wasn't properly articulating what he meant to say in English.

Happens to Japanese developers all the time.

just providing some alt color
 
I still don't know how this thread started on about Ubi saying "We decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid all the debates and stuff". To some PC gamers shitting on the people complaining?
 
King_Moc said:
When their reasoning towards ps4 owners for not increasing the resolution is essentially "fuck you", then it's definitely anti-consumer.
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Not so much anti-consumer as "These chumps are gonna buy it anyways". And then you buy it.

Stop buying their subpar products and annualized cash-ins, then maybe Ubi will listen.
 
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LOL..anyone seen this yet?

Source for more images from the album I made.

Assassin's Creed Franchise is on sale on steam on PC and this was NOT there yesterday as I bought Prison Architect last night while browsing the current deals. Man, I don't think this is a coincidence guys, and even if it is - this is literally a goldmine.

Brb, bringing the popcorn.

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JaseC said:
Tuesday is when Midweek Madness kicks off and the AssCreed franchise is one of the two featured deals. Midweek Madness deals, Weekend Deals and Daily Deals are all curated by Valve.
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Aww ok, damn it. I'll still eat my popcorn, y'know. Strangely, I'm hesistant to even buy any of this even with 75% off considering Ubi's shitty stance at the moment. Think my money will go to GTA V for ps4 even though I'm probably getting it for PC as well. Rockstar knows what's up.
 
Beefy said:
I still don't know how this thread started on about Ubi saying "We decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid all the debates and stuff". To some PC gamers shitting on the people complaining?
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Venting out the anger and completely missing the point.

It's one thing to not bother making better textures or higher geometry for PC due to diminishing returns, it's another to blackball one platform because the other just cannot compare.

Go tell them, they won't listen.
 
keltickennedy said:
I'm sorry, but you don't really know that, having not worked with the new engine Ubisoft developed for Unity and (I would guess) never developed anything for the PS4 hardware.
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Except they literally said they were locking it at 900p/30fps to "avoid debates and stuff." Not because of hardware limitations on the PS4, or because of rendering issues with the engine, or anything tech-related. The reason they gave was, word for word, to avoid debates.
 
dreamlock said:
r3Ak8MV.jpg


LOL..anyone seen this yet?

Source for more images from the album I made.

Assassin's Creed Franchise is on sale on steam on PC and this was NOT there yesterday as I bought Prison Architect last night while browsing the current deals. Man, I don't think this is a coincidence guys, and even if it is - this is literally a goldmine.

Brb, bringing the popcorn.
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Tuesday is when Midweek Madness kicks off and the AssCreed franchise is one of the two featured deals. Midweek Madness deals, Weekend Deals and Daily Deals are all curated by Valve.
 
Mengy said:
I'm not embarrassed, I'm proud that gamers are standing up for what they want. As consumers we have every right to, I'd even go as far as to say we have a duty to.


EA said Simcity couldn't be played offline. Consumers spoke up, and now it is offline.

Microsoft said the Xone couldn't be changed to remove the online DRM. Again consumers spoke up, and it was removed.

Whenver anti-consumer polices are forced upon gamers we have a responsibility to speak out, or else we are just as guilty as the AAA studios mistreating us. There really is no justifiable reason for the PS4 version to be 900p other than Ubisoft didn't feel like making it 1080p. They have even stated as much, saying they kept both versions at 900p to make them equal. So the PS4 consumers will get an inferior product not because the console can't do better, but because the console they DIDN'T buy can't do better.

That's utter horseshit, and consumers should not be okay with it.

Nothing really to be ashamed about IMHO.
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Amen, bro.
 
badb0y said:
I've addressed this point before but do you guys think that without consoles game developers would suddenly target enthusiast level hardware? Fuck no. You have to take into account the low/mid ranged PCs too.
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Scalability has been the name of the game on PC since time immemorial.
 
Pennywise83 said:
No, it's not.

A company can release any product with any decided level of quality without being anti-consumer, as long as the product does not harm the consumers themselves, or try to fool them. If Ubisoft will release the PS4 game with "1080p" on the box, then it would be anti-consumer; now, Ubisoft is plainly saying that the game will not be 1080p.

Knowing that, a consumer is able to decide whether to buy the product or not. Hence, it all bodes down to the willingness to pay for the product; if you are not willing to pay full price for the game on PS4, then you can just wait a price decrease, or just buy another game that supports your desired resolution.

You cannot find your definition of anti-consumer practice in any competition authority case, or any legal context. Don't mistake being anti-consumer with being lazy or just offering a product that might not be liked by a part of the userbase.

Then, of course consumers can protest, as they did with SimCity. This case and the SimCity one are similar; anti-consumer was, instead, the RROD. Paymium games are borderline but still not anti-consumers (they should be better regulated though).



Show me in which legal system this can be considered anti-consumer. This is just a company releasing a lazy product, for a variety of reasons. Ubisoft is not trying to fool you (actually, it's stating crystal clear what the resolution will be), nor it is going to harm you directly.
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They're trying to fool people in to believing the XBone is just as good as the PS4.

MS seem to have a lot of parity clauses designed to ensure PlayStation never looks better. That's anti-consumer.
 
serversurfer said:
They're trying to fool people in to believing the XBone is just as good as the PS4.

MS seem to have a lot of parity clauses designed to ensure PlayStation never looks better. That's anti-consumer.
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They're going to have a hell of a time with the parity clause for Uncharted 4.

If consumers were fooled by parity clauses before U4, they certainly won't be after when people see just what the PS4 is capable of.
 
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