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[Train of Midnight]

Well let's not forget, now. The Avatar state is a culmination of all the past avatars. I'm thinking this angered spirit is the previous avatars' spirit, not Brava's.

 

[shira]

am i wrong in assuming that her hallucinations are part of the mercury poisoning? if so i am glad that a kids show is finally showing the adverse effects of mercury poisoning instead of glorifying it like they do on spongebob squarepants and dora the explorer.

I want to see a Magneto-esque scene where Kuvira aka Darkorra mercury bends the Avatar like a puppet.

 

[-Deimos]

Well let's not forget, now. The Avatar state is a culmination of all the past avatars. I'm thinking this angered spirit is the previous avatars' spirit, not Brava's.

Korra killed off the previous Avatars' spirits.

 

[Mononoke]

Could be Ravaa trying to get her attention?

Yeah that's true. She's lost her connection to Raava it seems and she can't access her avatar spirit. I initially thought the hallucinations were just her bad energy manifesting. But since the visions are herself in the avatar state it makes sense what you guys are saying.

 

[shira]

An interesting chemistry note:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesis_of_precious_metals
Gold can be made using platinum and mercury.
Mercury being the poison and platinum being the choice for antibending materials. I wonder if Bryke are working that chemistry angle.

Fullmetal Alchem errr Korra

 

[Trey]

Well let's not forget, now. The Avatar state is a culmination of all the past avatars. I'm thinking this angered spirit is the previous avatars' spirit, not Brava's.

Tell that to Mike and Bryan.

 

[Toa TAK]

Tell that to Mike and Bryan.

All hail Bryke?

 

[-Deimos]

An interesting chemistry note:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesis_of_precious_metals
Gold can be made using platinum and mercury.
Mercury being the poison and platinum being the choice for antibending materials. I wonder if Bryke are working that chemistry angle.

Fullmetal Alchem errr Korra

Watch Korra fuck up and cause a nuclear explosion.

 

[TheRealTalker]

I saw this in the Ash Ketchum thread and I couldn't help myself

 

[Mononoke]

Watch Korra fuck up and cause a nuclear explosion.

Lmao this made me laugh so hard almost rolled out of my bed.

 

[Trey]

All hail Bryke?

nvm

 

[cartesian]

Korra killed off the previous Avatars' spirits.

Did she actually kill off, or merely sever her connection with them?

I hate to think that Korra permanently extinguished the spirits of Aang, Roku, etc... It's just depressing.

 

[Tirod]

Did she actually kill off, or merely sever her connection with them?

I hate to think that Korra permanently extinguished the spirits of Aang, Roku, etc... It's just depressing.

I always understood it to be losing her connection to the previous Avatars, not that she killed off their spirits.

It was already a bold move to begin with, "killing" the spirits would have been more insane.

 

[-Deimos]

Did she actually kill off, or merely sever her connection with them?

I hate to think that Korra permanently extinguished the spirits of Aang, Roku, etc... It's just depressing.

Well technically she only severed her connection but I don't see how any of the previous Avatars' spirits could interact with the physical world without a connection to Korra. Do we even know what happens to a person's spirit after they die? Aside from special people like Iroh.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

Did she actually kill off, or merely sever her connection with them?

I hate to think that Korra permanently extinguished the spirits of Aang, Roku, etc... It's just depressing.

Aang, or maybe a vision of Aang, appeared to Tenzin in the spirit world as Vaatu was attacking Raava and severing the connection. I doubt it was a vision though, since it was a helpful one in the spirit fog, whereas Kya and Bumi saw horrible stuff, Tenzin had Aang to reassure him.

So unless they explore it this season and explain it either way, it's possible that the spirits are still there, just merely severed from the Raava spirit.

 

[Mononoke]

Aang, or maybe a vision of Aang, appeared to Tenzin in the spirit world as Vaatu was attacking Raava and severing the connection. I doubt it was a vision though, since it was a helpful one in the spirit fog, whereas Kya and Bumi saw horrible stuff, Tenzin had Aang to reassure him.

So unless they explore it this season and explain it either way, it's possible that the spirits are still there, just merely severed from the Raava spirit.

I still think she will reconnect with them. I would be suprised if she actually killed them off.

 

[-Deimos]

Aang, or maybe a vision of Aang, appeared to Tenzin in the spirit world as Vaatu was attacking Raava and severing the connection. I doubt it was a vision though, since it was a helpful one in the spirit fog, whereas Kya and Bumi saw horrible stuff, Tenzin had Aang to reassure him.

So unless they explore it this season and explain it either way, it's possible that the spirits are still there, just merely severed from the Raava spirit.

Didn't he mention that it was just a vision? Tenzin knew to keep calm and didn't panic like the others, which is why they had bad visions.

I still think she will reconnect with them. I would be suprised if she actually killed them off.

I still hope this happens though.

 

[Htown]

Why are you guys acting like Korra got rid of her connection to the spirits? She didn't do shit.

Raava was ripped out of her body and attacked, and that's how the connection was lost.

 

[Toa TAK]

^Also this. It seems that people keep forgetting.

Watch Korra fuck up and cause a nuclear explosion.

Best Avatar Everrr

nvm

You can't just say nvm! What a cop out.

Also, count me in as someone who hopes that the Avatar spirits are cut off. That would be interesting.

 

[-Deimos]

Why are you guys acting like Korra got rid of her connection to the spirits? She didn't do shit.

Raava was ripped out of her body and attacked, and that's how the connection was lost.

Everything is Korra's fault.

 

[cartesian]

I still think she will reconnect with them. I would be suprised if she actually killed them off.

I hope she does reconnect with her past lives, it's one of the things I like about the avatar as a concept and I really like that connection to history and Aang, Roku, Kyoshi, etc.

Mind you, if I'm understanding it right, the Raava/Wan backstory pretty much implies there's no actual avatar person or spirit, and that Korra isn't a reincarnation of Aang, but in fact that Raava is the source of power and that she just body hops at the point of death, and that it's really just a series of random people hosting her. Back in the ATLA days, I always thought that the avatars were somehow the same person or spirit.

 

[frostshade]

Seems that Korra will probably reach self-realization and self-acceptance. Previous seasons fail to illustrate her being aware of her own inherent flaws whereas season 3 starts this train of development and season 4 continues it. My guess is that towards the end of the series, Korra will reconnect with her Avatar predecessors and become a whole Avatar.

My assumption is that her trauma is blocking the access to one of the chakra needed to access the avatar state is ATLA lore is still applicable here. If not, then Raava separated a portion of herself from the Avatar in order to recover leaving the barest minimum amount to allow Korra to bend all the elements. The spirit treats Avatar Mode Spirit as something evil though so I'm not too sure. It could also be that this is her negative (flawed self) aspect in spirit form. That could explain why Korra is so much more likable this season.

At the end of the day, I feel that this is a coming of age story where we have an Avatar going from full circle from wanting to become an avatar, failing at it, not wanting to become an avatar to finally wanting to become an avatar and understand the weight of the position and the mindset needed to effectively handle it. This feels more like a decision of her own choosing rather than a decision based on the accumulation of multiple influences on her during her youth.


tl;dr: I just want another Aang cameo where he talks to Katara again at the end of season 4. T.T

EDIT: the inconsistent lore makes it hard for me to theorize how this season will pan out. Plus, I'm not good at turning my thoughts into words.

 

[RedShift]

I hope she does reconnect with her past lives, it's one of the things I like about the avatar as a concept and I really like that connection to history and Aang, Roku, Kyoshi, etc.

Mind you, if I'm understanding it right, the Raava/Wan backstory pretty much implies there's no actual avatar person or spirit, and that Korra isn't a reincarnation of Aang, but in fact that Raava is the source of power and that she just body hops at the point of death, and that it's really just a series of random people hosting her. Back in the ATLA days, I always thought that the avatars were somehow the same person or spirit.

Right before Wan dies Raava says she'll be with him in all his lifetimes, so it is still all Wan's reincarnations that become the Avatar not just random people. Plus there's the whole 'some friendships are so strong they span lifetimes' thing.

Reincarnation is canon in Avatar anyway, it's sort of canon that Monk Gyatso was reincarnated as

Spoiler

Momo

.

 

[Mononoke]

Why are you guys acting like Korra got rid of her connection to the spirits? She didn't do shit.

Raava was ripped out of her body and attacked, and that's how the connection was lost.

Yeah I didn't mean to suggest it was her fault. But I still hope she reconnects by the end of the series.

 

[Razzer]

Right before Wan dies Raava says she'll be with him in all his lifetimes, so it is still all Wan's reincarnations that become the Avatar not just random people. Plus there's the whole 'some friendships are so strong they span lifetimes' thing.

Reincarnation is canon in Avatar anyway, it's sort of canon that Monk Gyatso was reincarnated as

Spoiler

Momo

.

Woah, was this hinted by the writers or just fan speculation?

 

[rexor0717]

Right before Wan dies Raava says she'll be with him in all his lifetimes, so it is still all Wan's reincarnations that become the Avatar not just random people. Plus there's the whole 'some friendships are so strong they span lifetimes' thing.

Reincarnation is canon in Avatar anyway, it's sort of canon that Monk Gyatso was reincarnated as

Spoiler

Momo

.

Holy shit, I never made that connection, but its awesome.

tl;dr: I just want another Aang cameo where he talks to Katara again at the end of season 4. T.T

This would produce tears, lol.

 

[Joeytj]

Woah, was this hinted by the writers or just fan speculation?

Bryke said they were considering it for the show, but opted to leave it out.

It's not officially canon since the creators didn't air it, but it demonstrates that, at least originally, they considered reincarnation to be much more common in the Avatar universe and not limited to the Avatar.

So yeah, in theory, it's Wan that is being reincarnated each cycle, and Raava/The Avatar Spirit just tags along. Raava gave Wan's reincarnations the ability to access their accumulated power throughout their lifetimes, something impossible for a regular human being.

Korra lost that connection to her previous lives, but still is the reincarnation of Aang and Wan as much as before.

That's ONE interpretation of course, but it makes sense considering that Korra didn't biologically become a different person after Harmonic Convergence. She was born as the reincarnation of Aang, and that stays with our without Raava.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Right before Wan dies Raava says she'll be with him in all his lifetimes, so it is still all Wan's reincarnations that become the Avatar not just random people. Plus there's the whole 'some friendships are so strong they span lifetimes' thing.

Reincarnation is canon in Avatar anyway, it's sort of canon that Monk Gyatso was reincarnated as

Spoiler

Momo

.

That reincarnation doesn't really make much sense, since there's a roughly 100-year gap between Gyatso's death and

Spoiler

Momo's

birth. Perhaps there was a life or two in-between?

 

[Joqu]

Yeah it's not canon per se but I've always liked the idea of Momo being Gyatso's reincarnation ever since I heard about that. Really adds a whole other dimension to The Southern Air Temple

Spoiler

and makes his death more bearable for me. ;_;

Not much in the show that actually hints at it though.

 

[Chariot]

Well, there is no harm in believing in reincarnation in Avatar since it does not contradict anything in the shows and adds a interesting level of thought.

 

[Razzer]

That's pretty awesome. And deepens the general world/lore to an extent too, so that's cool.

 

[shira]

Yeah it's not canon per se but I've always liked the idea of Momo being Gyatso's reincarnation ever since I heard about that. Really adds a whole other dimension to The Southern Air Temple

Spoiler

and makes his death more bearable for me. ;_;

Not much in the show that actually hints at it though.

Nope http://i.imgur.com/bjJXeUD.gif

That's pretty awesome. And deepens the general world/lore to an extent too, so that's cool.

nope

Spoiler

Avatar Trivia: The writers almost did an episode based on the idea that Momo was the reincarnated Monk Gyatso. Other story ideas that didn't make the cut include: learning about Aang's parents, and an entire episode where Sokka and Aang are handcuffed together.

 

[Veelk]

Bryke said they were considering it mentioning it in the show, but opted to leave it out.

It's not officially canon since the creators didn't air it, but it demonstrates that, at least originally, they considered reincarnation to be much more common in the Avatar universe and not limited to the Avatar.

So yeah, in theory, it's Wan that is being reincarnated each cycle, and Raava/The Avatar Spirit just tags along. Raava gave Wan's reincarnations the ability to access their accumulated power throughout their lifetimes, something impossible for a regular human being.

Korra lost that connection to her previous lives, but still is the reincarnation of Aang and Wan as much as before.

That's ONE interpretation of course, but it makes sense considering that Korra didn't biologically become a different person after Harmonic Convergence. She was born as the reincarnation of Aang, and that stays with our without Raava.

That's interesting, but wouldn't it suggest that Gyatso had some bad karma attached to him since Momo, fun as he is, would be considered a lower life form from a human being?

 

[Mr-Joker]

Well let's not forget, now. The Avatar state is a culmination of all the past avatars. I'm thinking this angered spirit is the previous avatars' spirit, not Brava's.

That's what I am thinking too, Somehow the Avatar state took a form of itself and is guiding Korra to something or someone.

At least that's what I think.

Everything is Korra's fault.

"Water. Earth. Fire. Air. Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked. Only the Avatar, master of all four elements, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished.

And it was all Korra's fault even though she wasn't born but I don't care it's her fault somehow. She's a bad child.

Spoiler

I am just kidding. ;p

 

[googleplex]

Korra killed off the previous Avatars' spirits.

Korra was basically violated. This is some shitty victim blaming right here.

 

[Joqu]

Nope http://i.imgur.com/bjJXeUD.gif

pfft i don't know what you're talking about that looks just like monk gyatso to me

Spoiler

;__;

 

[Toa TAK]

Korra was basically violated. This is some shitty victim blaming right here.

It happens a lot for this incident for some reason.

 

[Chariot]

That's interesting, but wouldn't it suggest that Gyatso had some bad karma attached to him since Momo, fun as he is, would be considered a lower life form from a human being?

My memory is fuzzy, but wasn't it implied that he killed some firenation soldiers by denying them air? I am not very knowledgeable, but Karma doesn't care for self defense or stand your ground, right?

 

[googleplex]

^Also this. It seems that people keep forgetting.


Best Avatar Everrr


You can't just say nvm! What a cop out.

Also, count me in as someone who hopes that the Avatar spirits are cut off. That would be interesting.

Actually At this point I'd say that the challenges that Korra has face have been way worst and more complicated then the shit Aang had to deal with.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Finally got to catch up. Great episode.


Korra <3

Toph reveal was nice. Time to become a Jedi, Korra.

 

[shira]

Time to become a Jedi, Korra.

Or to kill Buck

 

[Mr-Joker]

It happens a lot for this incident for some reason.

Well to be fair, Korra was warned by Tenzin and her father not to trust Unalaq, but no little miss princess decided that she knew best and caused a civil war and inveterately allowed Unalaq to gain control.

Sure it wasn't her fault that Rava was sucked out of her but had she listened to Tenzin and her father in the first place she could have avoided the whole mess in the first place.

 

[Toa TAK]

Actually At this point I'd say that the challenges that Korra has face have been way worst and more complicated then the shit Aang had to deal with.

I'd like to see him fight Zaheer that's for sure.

Well to be fair, Korra was warned by Tenzin and her father not to trust Unalaq, but no little miss princess decided that she knew best and caused a civil war and inveterately allowed Unalaq to gain control.

Sure it wasn't her fault that Rava was sucked out of her but had she listened to Tenzin and her father in the first place she could have avoided the whole mess in the first place.

It was like an Anakin and Palpatine scenario (since we're still on Star Wars references). She knew he could teach him something that Tenzin and her father had no clue about, thus she sent with Unalaq. Plus, it's still her uncle.

 

[Veelk]

My memory is fuzzy, but wasn't it implied that he killed some firenation soldiers by denying them air? I am not very knowledgeable, but Karma doesn't care for self defense or stand your ground, right?

Hm.....maybe. Depends on the system of belief. Some have life as sacred under ALL circumstances. Some have it you must be in the right frame of mind when killing for it not to count. But yeah, the soldier's deaths are probably the best explanation.

Alternatively, the show implied that Gyatso reincarnated into Katara, going by Guru Pathik's visualization.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Well to be fair, Korra was warned by Tenzin and her father not to trust Unalaq, but no little miss princess decided that she knew best and caused a civil war and inveterately allowed Unalaq to gain control.

Sure it wasn't her fault that Rava was sucked out of her but had she listened to Tenzin and her father in the first place she could have avoided the whole mess in the first place.

She was a dumb teenager with a huge ego. What more did you expect?

 

[Chariot]

Actually At this point I'd say that the challenges that Korra has face have been way worst and more complicated then the shit Aang had to deal with.

I won't argue with worst since Aang can't trump the god of evil, but I say that Aang had way more thought and wit in every situation. Korra just rushes forward for the next obvious solution which is why Unalaq was able to revieve the evil god in the first place. Aang would've never supported ehat Korra did. Also Korra, in the end, solved evrrything with pure volence and relying on others where that didn't help. She didn't defeat Zaheers idology, she punched him in the face. She didn't bridge the obvious gap between benders and non benders. She punched Amon in the face and was lucky that he wasn't what everyone including herself though he was.
And we seriously don't want to talk about season 2.

Hm.....maybe. Depends on the system of belief. Some have life as sacred under ALL circumstances. Some have it you must be in the right frame of mind when killing for it not to count. But yeah, the soldier's deaths are probably the best explanation.

Alternatively, the show implied that Gyatso reincarnated into Katara, going by Guru Pathik's visualization.

That is the exciting part.

 

[Toa TAK]

And we seriously don't want to talk about season 2.

Yes we do.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Let's talk about season 2.

 

[Chariot]

Yes we do.

Ah yes, whata sophisticated way to show how much more adult and sophisticated Korra is in contrast to Aang.

 

[shira]

Yes we do.

Let's talk about season 2.

There is no Book 2