I'm not sure if this your first time having a social interaction with other humans, but telling someone to "suck it up" over a possibly legitimate death threat is not an okay thing to do.
Sarkeesian cancels speech after mass-shooting threat due to cop refusing to ban gun
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I'm not sure if this your first time having a social interaction with other humans, but telling someone to "suck it up" over a possibly legitimate death threat is not an okay thing to do.
Supermanisdead
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Someone threatened to shoot up the school if she showed up.
I don't like Sarkeesian a single bit, but death threats are clearly way too far. The people who do stupid things like this must really be idiots because stuff like getting her speeches cancelled with death threats only draw more attention to Anita and her message. The people who do stuff like this are accomplishing literally the exact opposite of what they think they're doing.
Anton Sugar
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Hari Seldon
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No. I think making a giant fuss over threats that are in all likely hood from some moron on 4chan is just going to cause more threats everywhere she goes.
ElRenoRaven
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I agree. I can't stand her but Jesus fucking Christ these wackos threatening to kill her, her family, innocent people who come to hear her speak are fucking insane. It's just beyond comprehension. I don't understand how someone can even just threaten to do that. You have to be sick in the head. You have to. I hope the FBI, police, whoever manages to track these sick fucks down and lock them up for life.
Doesn't it depend on the law or maybe the state? I remember hearing about businesses asking people not to bring weapons to their establishments though they can't really stop them if they do where it's legal for them to do so. It think some states have shockingly few restrictions on where you can't take your open carry (or even concealed) weapon.
I don't agree with Sarkeesian's methods a lot of the time. I think she exaggerates a lot of her claims and ignores games that counter some of her claims. It was kind of weird hearing about her going after Bayonetta by some of the people on my twitter while others were tweeting congratulations to the game's female developer. But the vitriol she receives is just unreal to me. People tie themselves to their gamer personas so much that the lengths some of them go to to protect that identity is frightening.
Ah, thanks.
Right. It was the concealed carry thing that confused me.
Supermanisdead
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Uh... What? It's not making a "fuss", it's a goddamn death threat.
PhoenixDark
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Actually they're doing exactly what they set out to do as a movement: bully and terrorize women who dare to offend them with opinions they disagree with. What we're seeing is the violent reaction of a dying minority of people who realize their way of life is being changed, and can't deal with it. It's similar to the more outrageous facets of the Tea Party, white supremacist groups, survivalists, etc.
It's the law. You can't just bend it at a whim. You may disagree, but the people of Utah clearly don't, as they voted on it in 2004. For clarity, the law is that people with concealed carry permits are allowed to carry a concealed weapon on campus.
Say what you will about your opinion of gun laws, but it's still in state's rights to do what they will with them, especially on the concealed carry level.
Cop's refused because it would be illegal for them to do so. I don't see how we can point the blame at them. The blame, as usual, should be pointed squarely at those nutjobs sending the death threats.
Say what you will about your opinion of gun laws, but it's still in state's rights to do what they will with them, especially on the concealed carry level.
Cop's refused because it would be illegal for them to do so. I don't see how we can point the blame at them. The blame, as usual, should be pointed squarely at those nutjobs sending the death threats.
Zoe
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They do have the ability to ask them to leave, but most businesses don't want to put the onus of starting a confrontation on the workers.
I'm pretty sure it's an idiot problem, particularly in this case.
I can agree with that. I just think that in these people's heads they think they are "silencing her" when they aren't. It's hard to predict the mind of a crazy person.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
And cowards find strength in numbers. This is one of my fears around the group of people involved in gamergate (or whatever they call it) -- someone is going to feel inspired to act out there sick twisted threats. In a group where the lowest common denominator seems to be the prevailing wisdom, its only a matter of time.
"Some moron on 4chan" (or 8chan or whatever cesspool they use now) is perfectly capable of buying a weapon and using it against her.
Remember that "moron on BodyBuilding.com" who went on a misogynist killing rampage a few months back?
Silly her, calling out the law because it didn't "fit her specific need"... to feel that she was safe from specific death threats when she speaks in public.Haloid1177 said:
Pipe down, lady.
Agreed. If the police/FBI are able to follow through and capture these idiots making threats, then it will dissuade idiots from doing it in the future.
Alligatorjandro
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People care more about guns than the well being of people.
Her right to speak isn't being infringed upon; she's choosing not to.
I think it's a good choice.. this isn't worth it and there really are some nutty ass people behind some of these threats.. there are in fact people in this world waiting for a chance to "go out in a blaze of glory" and unfortunately some of them seem to be just the type to attach themselves to something like anti-feminism.
I think it's more "You can disagree with her and not be a death-threat giving nutjob".
That is so on point that it is scary. The parallels are are insane.
More the latter, but both. When she found out legal guns could be at the event she cancelled:
Obviously people are triyng to nuke her career; hell she got death threats during her kickstarter.
Maninthemirror
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Having not followed what she stands for, who she is and what is Gamergate, can someone chime in and let me know exactly from an inbiased source what is going on here? a good link would work.
FO-totality
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More the opposite. They disagree with her but don't want to get lumped in with the ilk that issue death threats that also disagree with her.
RiccochetJ
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I sincerely hope that law enforcement is making an attempt to track down these sick fucks.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I think it's about time for me to check out from the internet. I just can't even process the mentality that does this kind of stuff on a regular basis.
Yup. Plus I wanted to give my brief opinion on her work without wading into the minefield of the gamergate thread in gaming side.
It was a threat of domestic terrorism. This dude will get found out.
This is how I feel exactly. Thank you for summing it up better than I could.
Yep, completely agree with you. Gamersgate was embarassing from the start, even before it got scary. People here and elsewhere downplaying these threats because it's 'just' some idiot from 4chan or whatever just sound like boys defending their no girls allowed-treehouse. The entire thing is internet mob mentality at its ugliest, showcasing just how insecure and out of touch with reality a lot of the people hiding behind the gamersgate hashtag are. Glad the FBI is finally considering it a terrorist threat, because that's exactly what it turned into.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29626809
About as unbiased a news source as you could wish to read.
Also, as a British guy reading this, the part about concealed gun laws didn't even register. I was focused more on the threat of mass murder!
I am so ashamed to be a gamer at the moment. What happened to our hobby that this behaviour is even a thing?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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No links on me, but she's a vocal feminist who has lately been making videos pointing out lazy tropes in games. This makes her the target of death and rape threats from maladjusted individuals whose identities are tied in too closely to the games they enjoy.
ElRenoRaven
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Yea really that's it. It's a way to again say hey I don't like her and disagree with her but to also at the same time stand up for her and agree that what is happening to her is wrong. You can dislike someone and disagree with someone but when you do vile and disgusting things like these people are doing to her and others then you're crossing a serious line of not just legality but human decency that should never be crossed.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Guns should be banned in the United States of America, both for private citizens and the police.
I know that to get to that point would be incredibly difficult, but its not impossible. I just requires the will of enough people to make it happen.
As far as second amendment garbage goes, if people truly want to respect the thoughts of the 'founding fathers', they would take Jefferson's advice and throw the whole Constitution away every generation and rewrite it from scratch.
I know that to get to that point would be incredibly difficult, but its not impossible. I just requires the will of enough people to make it happen.
As far as second amendment garbage goes, if people truly want to respect the thoughts of the 'founding fathers', they would take Jefferson's advice and throw the whole Constitution away every generation and rewrite it from scratch.
I don't agree that guns should be banned. It just needs to be made a lot harder to actually legally acquire a weapon. There are enough loopholes in gun laws currently that gun control is kind of a joke.
Taking guns away from police is just not a good idea in general in my opinion.
boiled goose
good with gravy
if the people of Utah want to live in a state where guns are allowed on university campuses that is their problem. That means they also have to deal with the consequences of such laws, such as losing business, prominent speakers, good students, etc.
andthebeatgoeson
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It doesn't resolve it. I was purely responding to the claim of her first amendment rights. But sure, find 4 more isolated words in my post and only respond to that.
Yeah, that. I now understand how non-pedophile Bronies feel.
Can people please stop associating gamergate with these psychos?
If tomorrow I read that death threats are coming in threatening people who eat chicken on behalf of those that eat hotdogs, I am not going to be sickened with hot dog eaters.
Anyone who thinks that this is what gamergate represents is truly misguided.
If tomorrow I read that death threats are coming in threatening people who eat chicken on behalf of those that eat hotdogs, I am not going to be sickened with hot dog eaters.
Anyone who thinks that this is what gamergate represents is truly misguided.
I think you can put some blame on law makers as well. Disarming attendees at a public event after death threats are made is perfectly reasonable, and the police should be allowed to do so.
LordAzrael
Banned
She canceled a speech? Yay...can she go away now?
I agree with the policy. Public figures receive threats constantly via social media. They mostly come from foreign users who pose no threat to the person. Restricting constitutional rights based on such idiocy is not the way to go. I don't want law abiding citizens to be targeted with invasive measures just because we have a bunch of internet tough guys writing messages to some random woman.
If she doesn't feel safe, then give the speech via Skype or co-ordinate with the local authorities if she believes the threat is real.
If she doesn't feel safe, then give the speech via Skype or co-ordinate with the local authorities if she believes the threat is real.
Yup, I'd rather talk about gun law side of thing in the OT thread than that gamergate thread. I just felt the implication of the statement given by the police is troubling. The request, to me, seemed appropriate given the circumstance, that the police couldn't find an exception for it seems ludicrous.
edit: Can we not have a retread of the thread on Gaming Side?
But whether the laws were concealed carry or not, if someone was planning something, I don't think they'd care about concealed carry permits no? Asking each student to be patted down or metal detectors to be installed is ridiculous. I know how tough it was just organizing speeches at any sort of large University.
She's better off canceling and waiting for the psychos to stop, plus let the police investigate the threats more, or take it to a venue where she feels safer. These gamergate people are idiots. Completely making gamers look like violent sociopaths, over what? Because people want increased representations and diversity in games.
She's better off canceling and waiting for the psychos to stop, plus let the police investigate the threats more, or take it to a venue where she feels safer. These gamergate people are idiots. Completely making gamers look like violent sociopaths, over what? Because people want increased representations and diversity in games.
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