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[Steve Youngblood]

That's quite a loaded statement. Are you saying that nobody who uses the hastag has been concerned with ethics? Or that very few have?

The main impetus behind the creation of this movement was not about ethical concerns regarding the gaming press. Have some of the issues raised been related to journalistic ethics? Yes. Are some of them at least somewhat legitimate? Sure. But this movement directly followed from the Quinnspiracy nonsense wherein it was clear that this wasn't really about ethical concerns insomuch as you might vaguely classify the concerns as ethical when in reality it was about slut-shaming a feminist voice they didn't like and grasping at any straw they could find along the way to try and make this seem like something Joe Reader should actually be concerned with.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Zoë has given Fuck No Video Games access to her archive of harassment against her, and right now their twitter feed has a full breakdown of how it all started and it's enlightening evidence that it never was about anything BUT ruining a woman's life for daring to have sex. Read it there.

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Oh hey would you look at that, the origin of nearly every single misdirection tactic we still see used within #GG.

 

[RM8]

That's quite a loaded statement. Are you saying that nobody who uses the hastag has been concerned with ethics? Or that very few have?

I can't start using the KKK name for my cupcake bakery and tell people "not everyone who belongs to KKK are racists!". Step one, distance yourself from the toxic group. Step two, target actually relevant issues.

 

[FyreWulff]

He's fighting the restraining order because there's a gag order on top of it.

He's fighting it because he's STILL trying to control her. The creeper reads like a book on being controlling and abusive.

 

[meijiko]

Zoë has given Fuck No Video Games access to her archive of harassment against her, and right now their twitter feed has a full breakdown of how it all started and it's enlightening evidence that it never was about anything BUT ruining a woman's life for daring to have sex. Read it there.

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This does a good job of presenting what I've observed from the very beginning. I hope every so-called "moderate" of GamerGate looks at it and finally decides to abandon this filthy movement.

 

[Ayt]

Because it's a misuse of a restraining order.

In what way? I think there is a compelling case that he should be ordered to stfu about her in life and online.

 

[NoCryingUntilTheEnd]

Not sure how many people follow Jonathan Blow on Twiter, but he's saying everything I was trying to get across earlier in the thread. Of course, he does a much better job:

By the way #gamergate people, I know a lot of you want 'gamers' to be respected as reasonable people with worthwhile interests,

They do? I thought they kinda did want to continue to be known as maladjusted shut-ins.

 

[sasliquid]

I talked to someone I know over Facebook today who mostly seems like a rational person. He actually believe a large portion of games journalists are colluding together (his link as proof was from breibart so I'm not touching it) and doesn't see the hypocrisy of pressuring advertisers to force what they want on websites.

I don't have much hope he will see the error in his trail of thought

 

[Zabka]

He's fighting it because he's STILL trying to control her. The creeper reads like a book on being controlling and abusive.

If he was the one who filed the restraining order I might see your point but I'm not seeing the connection. Everyone has the right to defend themselves.

 

[Briarios]

Zoë has given Fuck No Video Games access to her archive of harassment against her, and right now their twitter feed has a full breakdown of how it all started and it's enlightening evidence that it never was about anything BUT ruining a woman's life for daring to have sex. Read it there.

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That's brilliant. It absolutely blows away the smokescreen the GG Followers have thrown up about this whole thing ... if you still support GG after reading that with all the support included, you might as well tattoo MISOGYNIST on your forehead.

 

[RM8]

Maybe people joined GG afterwards with different intentions, but that doesn't change GG. And you should be more concerned about actual ethics than about being able to use a hashtag for you Twitter crusade.

 

[The Technomancer]

Zoë has given Fuck No Video Games access to her archive of harassment against her, and right now their twitter feed has a full breakdown of how it all started and it's enlightening evidence that it never was about anything BUT ruining a woman's life for daring to have sex. Read it there.

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The Quinn thing was one of the most blatantly horrifying displays of misogyny I've ever seen displayed online. For as much as the word gets thrown around I really do think that the vast majority of this behavior we see on the internet is better classified as "sexism", but the Quinnspiracy circus was genuine, blatant, "hatred of women" misogyny, hatred of a woman for being a woman

EDIT: Jesus fuck that is a tough read reading it all laid out like that. My chest literally feels tight, I'm slightly nauseous as I read through this.

 

[2San]

GamerGate is an attack on ethical journalism
Fucking owns

I'm so out of the loop. I thought GamerGate was about that shitty article from Destroid that's in the OP. That somehow the label gamer doesn't work anymore. Good that I only posted in that thread that was about that specific article.

This is a very hard problem to deal with though. From what I've seen, people who support GG are the ones most outraged at these threats because it means that's how they're being seen. The problem is that this stuff gets drowned out by the few psychos who threaten to shoot up a college or knock down Sarkeesian's door. What exactly can the regular GG supporters who are unhappy with the state of journalism but in no way support these violent sentiments do to change this image and how they're portrayed? Because mainstream sites like NYT don't seem to want to hear it. The following was a comment highlighted by NYT staff and the fact that they decided to give it special attention says a lot about the way they approached this article (linking instead of embedding due to size): Here

Sincere, non-rhetorical question: What can the gaming community do to turn stuff like that around?

Wait for when actual shaddy shit actually happens. Like when Rockstar/Take two releases a game.

 

[BlastProcessing]

That's quite a loaded statement. Are you saying that nobody who uses the hastag has been concerned with ethics? Or that very few have?

He is saying that #gamergate from it's inception was about magnifying the harassment on Zoe Quinn. From there it has grown become a multi headed beast. But the term was birthed by Adam Baldwin. Someone whose twitter history is chock-a-block with venom. Someone who admits that they have no understanding of games or the industry.

Since then the only concrete thing that I can see that has been done by #gamergate is to convince advertisers to pull out of websites that published opinion pieces they disagreed with. Which is odd because websites cowing to the whims of advertisers is actually a huge ethical issue. They type of thing that people who're for journalistic ethics would be obviously against.

Honestly, going back to #Doritogate would be better than continuing to align yourself with a toxic banner. But even better would be to sit down and think about what problems you really see and what you want to do about them. Focus on what positive things you could do to make things better.

 

[-Kees-]

The Quinn thing was one of the most blatantly horrifying displays of misogyny I've ever seen displayed online. For as much as the word gets thrown around I really do think that the vast majority of this behavior we see on the internet is better classified as "sexism", but the Quinnspiracy circus was genuine, blatant, "hatred of women" misogyny, hatred of a woman for being a woman

EDIT: Jesus fuck that is a tough read reading it all laid out like that. My chest literally feels tight, I'm slightly nauseous as I read through this.

Misogynist Extemism is what I've been calling it. I knew from the start what this was about, the GG tag was created to "legitimize" their disgusting behavior.

 

[Lalalandia]

If he was the one who filed the restraining order I might see your point but I'm not seeing the connection. Everyone has the right to defend themselves.

A restraining order is not an attack, it means 'stay the fuck away and stop shitting up the internet about me'. Given that he has no avowed interest in her any more it would be wiser to just accept it.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

I'm so out of the loop. I thought GamerGate was about that shitty article from Destroid that's in the OP. That somehow the label gamer doesn't work anymore. Good that I only posted in that thread that was about that specific article.

GG "started" as an outright undeniable harassment campaign against Zoe, since then it's honestly turned into "attack whatever feminist-related person you wish" though.

That's why GG has been about Zoe, Anita, Leigh and a whole bunch of other feminists or feminism-related issues.

 

[shootfast]

In what way? I think there is a compelling case that he should be ordered to stfu about her in life and online.

Because publishing dirt online isn't the same as domestic violence, harassment, stalking or sexual assault which are valid reasons for restraining orders.

 

[jetjevons]

Was this posted already?

 

[The Technomancer]

What the fuck is wrong with these people?
https://twitter.com/EffNOVideoGames/status/522831429894299649/photo/1

Those second and third messages jesus fucking christ

 

[UnderWaterTree]

I love love love that today's self exposing is calling for politicians to get involved in what's being reported by the CBC. Yet again, it's so antithetical to their purported claims. They are literally advocating politicians getting involved because they don't like the slant of the current reporting. They literally want the government to pressure the press into changing their story.

ya lets not let harper in on gamersgate

 

[mo60]

In what way? I think there is a compelling case that he should be ordered to stfu about her in life and online.

I think the guy keeps on being dragged into this because of other people and because he still actually wants to talk about Zoey. I do not think he's evil, but I think he made a really terrible mistake when he wrote that blog post like two months instead of listening to the advice of his loved ones.He really should stop talking about Zoey and move on.

 

[shootfast]

A restraining order is not an attack, it means 'stay the fuck away and stop shitting up the internet about me'. Given that he has no avowed interest in her any more it would be wiser to just accept it.

Or fight it in the courts as his every legal right to do, especially when it's frivolous.

 

[2San]

GG "started" as an outright undeniable harassment campaign against Zoe, since then it's honestly turned into "attack whatever feminist-related person you wish" though.

That's why GG has been about Zoe, Anita, Leigh and a whole bunch of other feminists or feminism-related issues.

Yeah, it all clicked when I saw the post by RubberJohnny (it was linked in another thread).

The gaming press coming with the whole the label gamers is over, is a pretty bizarre response to the situation though.

 

[FyreWulff]

Or fight it in the courts as his every legal right to do, especially when it's frivolous.

Why would it be frivolous?

 

[Zabka]

A restraining order is not an attack, it means 'stay the fuck away and stop shitting up the internet about me'. Given that he has no avowed interest in her any more it would be wiser to just accept it.

Has he said he has no avowed interest? He just did an interview with buzzfeed about his blogpost and gamergate.

ETA: Just looked into it. She reported him as violating the protective order for participating in a livestream. Didn't listen to it but I assume she was brought up at some point. He pretty much has to defend himself now.

 

[NoCryingUntilTheEnd]

What the fuck is wrong with these people?
https://twitter.com/EffNOVideoGames/status/522831429894299649/photo/1

Those second and third messages jesus fucking christ

Ahh, /r9k/. A great place for misogynistic forever virgin losers. A terrible place for anyone else.

Regarded on 4chan as one of the worst boards there.

 

[Foshy]

Was this posted already?

this is fucking fantastic

 

[partyphone]

Because publishing dirt online isn't the same as domestic violence, harassment, stalking or sexual assault which are valid reasons for restraining orders.

if it's not true then it's considered libel and a restraining order is absolutely the appropriate way to handle the situation.

 

[shootfast]

Why would it be frivolous?

I just answered it on the same page but here it is again. Because publishing dirt online isn't the same as domestic violence, harassment, stalking or sexual assault which are valid reasons for restraining orders.

 

[The Technomancer]

Ahh, /r9k/. A great place for misogynistic forever virgin losers. A terrible place for anyone else.

Regarded on 4chan as one of the worst boards there.

Its been close to a decade since something has legitimately shocked me on the internet. But, for as vile as I knew the comments directed at her were, I assumed a big part of their vileness was specifically to make her feel awful and insulted on reading them. I didn't think that it was that utterly disgusting even in their own internal discussions.

 

[Lalalandia]

Because publishing dirt online isn't the same as domestic violence, harassment, stalking or sexual assault which are valid reasons for restraining orders.

Posting your relationship history in an inflammatory manner and linking it to places you know will get your ex hounded my mysoginists is harrassment. He continues to stir it up anywhere online he can.

 

[shootfast]

if it's not true then it's considered libel and a restraining order is absolutely the appropriate way to handle the situation.

Libel is solved through suing for defamation through the courts not restraining order. He can still talk about her even with the restraining order.

 

[JC Sera]

Was this posted already?

Too good.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Its been close to a decade since something has legitimately shocked me on the internet. But, for as vile as I knew the comments directed at her were, I assumed a big part of their vileness was specifically to make her feel awful and insulted on reading them. I didn't think that it was that utterly disgusting even in their own internal discussions.

4chan is not a hive mind?

 

[NoCryingUntilTheEnd]

Its been close to a decade since something has legitimately shocked me on the internet. But, for as vile as I knew the comments directed at her were, I assumed a big part of their vileness was specifically to make her feel awful and insulted on reading them. I didn't think that it was that utterly disgusting even in their own internal discussions.

Make sure you never hop onto /r9k/ then. I can guarantee you there are at least five topics on the front page worse than what was in that Tweet.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

4chan is not a hive mind?

Which is why they were wise enough to kick the GG bullcrap off of their site.

 

[Lalalandia]

Has he said he has no avowed interest? He just did an interview with buzzfeed about his blogpost and gamergate.

He has stated he no longer wants to be ina relationship with her and 'warn' the world, he has already achieved that his continuing to speak about her in the climate he created is a clear case of harassment.

 

[partyphone]

Libel is solved through suing for defamation through the courts not restraining order. He can still talk about her even with the restraining order.

he's perpetuating a harassment campaign and refuses to stop.

 

[dantevsninjas]

holy shit at the names of the related videos to that XOXO video:

"Feminism Vs Facts!"
"Sarkeesian- BUSTED!"
"Reason vs. Feminist Frequency"
"Anita Sarkeesian Is Not A Real Gamer"
"REFUTING Sarkeesian's Damsel's In Distress pt. 2"
"The Sarkeesian Conspiracy"

And the preview images is stuff like Anita with a Butt crack instead of a face, a seriously creepy-looking version of Kane from C&C, and garish colors reminiscent of trash tabloids.

In following this whole debacle I've seen so many videos with so many bullshit incendiary titles, and they all made the same tired ass arguments. The downside is that this bullshit now shows up randomly as recommendations every time I pull up Youtube.

Speaking of Kane from C&C, I probably watched that original Owen/Aurini pitch video like 5 times because it managed to be comically bad & disgustingly ignorant at the same time. It's insanely compelling to watch these two jackasses present themselves as some sort of intellectual powerhouses. The best part was when they referred to their commentary as "witty and insightful"; you rarely get to see such unwarranted, yet earnest, arrogance.

 

[Nymphae]

...he should be ordered to stfu about her in life and online.

Wow. Really? What is the compelling argument for ordering someone to refrain from talking about the events of their own life? Restraining orders for keeping him away? Sure, if he's a legitimate threat, that makes sense, but I don't know how you can argue that it would be positive to remove someone's ability to speak about a subject, especially when the subject is...their own life.

 

[FyreWulff]

I just answered it on the same page but here it is again. Because publishing dirt online isn't the same as domestic violence, harassment, stalking or sexual assault which are valid reasons for restraining orders.

It's harassment, though.

It'd be the same as an ex coming to your workplace because they claim they need to "warn others" but only standing outside, and hinting at customers that go in that it would be a shame if someone spilled hot coffee on you but you'd never want it to happen.

 

[JC Sera]

I think the guy keeps on being dragged into this because of other people and because he still actually wants to talk about Zoey. I do not think he's evil, but I think he made a really terrible mistake when he wrote that blog post like two months instead of listening to the advice of his loved ones.He really should stop talking about Zoey and move on.

Uh CTR+F "Ex" in this
the guy is an utter creep
(warning disturbing content)

 

[Zabka]

He has stated he no longer wants to be ina relationship with her and 'warn' the world, he has already achieved that his continuing to speak about her in the climate he created is a clear case of harassment.

It's shitty but I don't think it's a clear case of harassment in any legal sense.

ETA: Just saw that log. He's a dumbass who knew they were going to go nuts with it. I don't think a physical restraining order is still the right answer but he's going to have a hell of a time defending himself.

 

[Patryn]

I can't start using the KKK name for my cupcake bakery and tell people "not everyone who belongs to KKK are racists!". Step one, distance yourself from the toxic group. Step two, target actually relevant issues.

Step 3 would be learning about mainstream journalistic ethics. This is important because it appears that a lot of people complaining about game journalism ethics are complaining about things that are considered completely ethical for normal journalists.

Step 4 would be using that knowledge and then coming up with a clear list of actually attainable and reasonable steps to "clean up" journalism. Basically, if you want people to take you seriously, we need to know what changes you want to make beyond vague things like "be more ethical!"

 

[Lalalandia]

Wow. Really? What is the compelling argument for ordering someone to refrain from talking about the events of their own life? Restraining orders for keeping him away? Sure, if he's a legitimate threat, that makes sense, but I don't know how you can argue that it would be positive to remove someone's ability to speak about a subject, especially when the subject is...their own life.

He's not discussing his breakfast. He's fueling and exacerbating a hate campaign against his ex, the courts can and do issue 'stfu' orders in such cases.

 

[ICKE]

Every other message or article related to GG loons is about their ability to score some action. I guess everyone, progressives and regressives alike, have really internalised the terminology over the years. Embrace the hate. Some things have not changed one bit in 16 years. I don't know if you can blame the gaming culture though, maybe it's the Internet or anonymity or just human nature. Giving this sort of rhetoric more media exposure is just going to make outsiders double down on their view that gamers are a bunch of losers - that's what they even call one another. -_-

 

[Oidisco]

In following this whole debacle I've seen so many videos with so many bullshit incendiary titles, and they all made the same tired ass arguments. The downside is that this bullshit now shows up randomly as recommendations every time I pull up Youtube.

Speaking of Kane from C&C, I probably watched that original Owen/Aurini pitch video like 5 times because it managed to be comically bad & disgustingly ignorant at the same time. It's insanely compelling to watch these two jackasses present themselves as some sort of intellectual powerhouses. The best part was when they referred to their commentary as "witty and insightful"; you rarely get to see such unwarranted, yet earnest, arrogance.

Just want to point out again that "The Sarkeesian Conspiracy" is actually a video made to support Anita and debunk pretty much all the accusations made by Thunderf00t and the Sarkeesian Effect guys.

Infact Anita tweeted a link to the video recently. It's a pretty good, if somewhat long video.

 

[mo60]

Uh CTR+F "Ex" in this
the guy is an utter creep
(warning disturbing content)

I think some of his recent twitter posts are a bit crazy.He has also done stuff like the zoepost in the past from what I found on his twitter account.I think he does not know how to handle emotional situation yet. Can we stop taling abut the guy

 

[Lalalandia]

It's shitty but I don't think it's a clear case of harassment in any legal sense.

He ensured his blog had a wide airing on places known to be hostile to his ex, he then went into IRC channels and further stoked the fires and he has repeatedly pushed his 'I'm a victim' story. In the recent interview he makes the claim that he'd do itt all again despite having allegedly previously thought that this reaction 'had a <1% chance' of happening. In his own words he has no problem with having kicked off one of the most virulent and nasty hate campaigns seen in gaming in a long time.