Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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BronsonLee
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The amount of detail in that report is staggering.
Jmanunknown
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Of course the evidence can apply to both sides Wilson had two months to come up with a plausible defense including witness statements and the autopsy.. He even said he knew about the robbery despite Chief Jackson of the Ferguson police department saying he did not. This whole thing has been calculated and setup by the police department. I also noticed that despite him being shot at close range one time no gun shot residue was found in any of the bullet wounds and apparently Wilson punched Mike brown in the face. I think I just am gonna except that they are not gonna charge Darren Wilson the whole thing is sad and Mike Brown is dead and his executioner will get to live his life like he did nothing wrong. He'll be hailed as a hero for getting another thug off the street.
This case is frustrating because there's obviously two essentially separate conversations that need to happen:
1) specifically what happened in this case and should / how should the officer be disciplined
2) why do we live in a world where Mike Brown and Wilson had a confrontation that can and did result in Brown dead
My read has always been that no matter what the facts of 1) turn out to be, 2) is a damn tragedy for the city and for the nation. Kids shouldn't be afraid of cops, cops shouldn't be afraid of kids, cops shouldn't have so much power to go from fear to killing unarmed people just like that.
My deepest sorrow is that 1) coming up "no charges" means people shut down and don't pursue 2) in any meaningful way. My dearest hope is that Federale involvement means at least part of 2) gets addressed regardless of 1).
It's an uncomfortable position. I definitely in my heart would not for a second regret holding Wilson responsible for what's really a systemic problem. And that's sort of unfair. But more unfair is Mike Brown getting killed because a system is stacked against him.
Uhhhhh how do you figure we know what "truly" went down now?
1) specifically what happened in this case and should / how should the officer be disciplined
2) why do we live in a world where Mike Brown and Wilson had a confrontation that can and did result in Brown dead
My read has always been that no matter what the facts of 1) turn out to be, 2) is a damn tragedy for the city and for the nation. Kids shouldn't be afraid of cops, cops shouldn't be afraid of kids, cops shouldn't have so much power to go from fear to killing unarmed people just like that.
My deepest sorrow is that 1) coming up "no charges" means people shut down and don't pursue 2) in any meaningful way. My dearest hope is that Federale involvement means at least part of 2) gets addressed regardless of 1).
It's an uncomfortable position. I definitely in my heart would not for a second regret holding Wilson responsible for what's really a systemic problem. And that's sort of unfair. But more unfair is Mike Brown getting killed because a system is stacked against him.
Uhhhhh how do you figure we know what "truly" went down now?
This part is complete bullshit. If someone is innocent they are innocent. If they are guilty, they should be sentenced in accordance with the crime committed. I hope you never gain any meaningful power.
Mike Brown was innocent and he is dead now. He was sentenced to death for the crime of being black and angry that a cop gave him shit for walking in public.
The system is already fucked. Fair already isn't the way things go. You gotta push back somewhere.
HP_Wuvcraft
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What do we know truly went down?
We will never know the truth. And even with all this evidence - old and new, we're still not anywhere close to knowing the sequence of events.
ElectricKaibutsu
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Their deductions are just best guesses, of course, and there is a lot of deducing going on here.
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Ridiculous is all I can say. Carry on.
Punchy4486
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I understand that Wilson had time to come up with a story that matched the facts. I was just saying how it makes things so much more complicated, which was obviously the point.
However, I thought the autopsy showed no stipple on him, but that there was gunshot residue in the wound on his hand, hence the one forensics expert saying,"his hand must have been really close to the gun for that to happen".
Woops didn't mean to word it it like that. Just meant that since the report shows so many gun shots including 3 to the head, I figured that kind of evidence would go against DW.
My apologies
Except it won't be nonviolent civil disobedience. It'll be rioting and more people getting shot by cops. And all the white people will just stick to the 270 outer beltway to circumvent north county.
CassidyIzABeast
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_d2cf8b20-c517-592b-96ba-77d8a5f46fef.html#.VEceGvClIaY.twitter
This shit doesn't even sound plausible to me.
Slams a cops door and blasts him in the face him through the window
Tells his friend to hold his Rillos that he's apparently holding while snuffing said cop
Goes for the cops gun to shoot him in the hip and eventually kill him over blunt wraps.
cops shouldn't be allowed to play GTA. this is shit I wouldn't even try in a video game, let alone picturing some kid just being that ballsy after getting "pedestrian stop checked".
feels like a perfectly crafted statement meant to fit a legal defense in the face of a grand jury. He has to establish that he could possibly had feared for his life, and a young black super-predator with the audacity to attack an officer, IN his car, THROUGH his window would do it.
feels like a perfectly crafted statement meant to fit a legal defense in the face of a grand jury. He has to establish that he could possibly had feared for his life, and a young black super-predator with the audacity to attack an officer, IN his car, THROUGH his window would do it.
CassidyIzABeast
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Un...fucking...believable...
LilWayneSuckz
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So I'm thinking it's time for me to go down to Ferguson and protest this garbage...
I felt sick when on the morning news the reporter casually dropped in that "he had weed in his system"....as if that justifies shooting an unarmed man
I felt sick when on the morning news the reporter casually dropped in that "he had weed in his system"....as if that justifies shooting an unarmed man
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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When you have a half dozen witnesses that say the other person surrendered and was gunned down, as is the case with Wilson/Brown, I wouldn't have to prove anything.
Like he's playing a videogame or something. "I put five rounds in him and he just kept coming so I had to put him down with a head shot". GMAFB.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/2...ortedly-reveals-teen-was-shot-at-close-range/
No, the beating of an officer, attempting to pin him in his vehicle and take his weapon from him would though.
About as plausible as a cop deciding to simply execute a teenager for no reason.
Jmanunknown
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Your right my bad page 13 it does say foreign particle matters are consistent with products discharged from the barrel of a firearm.
I do not know why you feel the need to defend Officer Wilson he can do that fine himself. As for Michael Brown he is dead and well dead men can't tell their story. I am sure you will feel vindicated when he is not charged and that his execution of Michael Brown was warranted because Michael brown was an inhuman monster who deserved to be put down.
Anton Sugar
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How do these recent articles tie in with Shaun King's proposal that the engagement distance was much longer than Ferguson PD claim?
I can't see Brown charging the officer from 100+ feet away while Wilson has his gun drawn.
I can't see Brown charging the officer from 100+ feet away while Wilson has his gun drawn.
BronsonLee
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I feel like the scenarios being presented by both sides are pretty fantastical.
That being said, considering what we know so far, I'm more inclined to believe Brown's side than Wilson's, considering the large amount of witness corroboration. But this whole situation was a ticking time bomb, even before the riots. I liken it to that Wal-Mart shooting in Ohio.
That being said, considering what we know so far, I'm more inclined to believe Brown's side than Wilson's, considering the large amount of witness corroboration. But this whole situation was a ticking time bomb, even before the riots. I liken it to that Wal-Mart shooting in Ohio.
Really? Cause just in the months leading up to and after this event, there have been numerous black people killed by police officers. Let alone historical accounts of police brutality and murder of minorities. But I bet you also thought the cops were innocent in the Rodney King case.
depths20XX
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That Shaun King dude really needs to get a website or something. Fuck reading some novel over 100 tweets.
Random Painted HIghway
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How does his theory jive with the witness statements on the distance?
Jmanunknown
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That Wal-mart shooting was horrible and unlike Mike Brown John Crawford committed no crimes that day. He did nothing wrong that day except be black in that particular Beavercreek, Ohio Walmart. He gets killed and no charges brought against anyone. So apparently you can can get shot and killed by police and as long as they followed procedure no will ever be punished for your death despite you doing nothing wrong at all. That is why their is no hope Darren Wilson will ever be charged with anything the police have entirely too much leeway when it comes to using lethal force on citizens.
You mean like the construction workers that said he was 90 feet away?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Its not unheard of. You haven't already forgotten that there's video of a man being suffocated to death in broad daylight by cops over suspicion of selling loose cigarettes, did you?
Random Painted HIghway
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90 feet away from what? The police suv? Wilson? What are you talking about? What is king referring to as the 100 feet?
Edit: I see what king is saying, which is very different to what the poster I responded to said regarding the hundred feet. This confused me as the witnesses have all said from what I can tell that the two were separated by only 10 plus or minus feet at the end of it, not 100 and not 90. I doubt Wilson could hit brown at that range with as many shots as he did anyway.
Interesting point, that Wilson would have been actively chasing brown for at least a few seconds rather than Just an exit vehicle take a step and start firing away.
Gunna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that "unlike" applies to the "no crimes" thing and not to the "horrible".
Even in the somehow case that Wilson was "justified" in killing Michael Brown, it's still horrible. Because you're right, police have entirely too much leeway when it comes to using lethal force on humans.
NYCmetsfan
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we're still doing this... :-/
This sounds like a god damn movie or something. He grabbed his gun and then almost knocked him unconscious? I guess Wilson was just trying to recompose himself when he stood over his dead body.
Anton Sugar
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we're still doing this... :-/
Hahaha oh Christ.
Devolution
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Yeah he might have been hallucinating a cop was trying to kill him, oh wait.
CrimsonCommie
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How can anybody believe that nonsense. He was almost knocked unconscious yet he can remember little details like where Brown's fingers were pointed?
Washington Post is reporting this
Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilsons account, but none of them have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety, The Washington Posts sources said.
Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilsons account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html
Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilsons account, but none of them have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety, The Washington Posts sources said.
Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilsons account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html
Jmanunknown
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Yeah I should have put and and not used the comma. That is what I get for rushing through and typing that out.
BloodMoney
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Is that posed to me? I never implied that. Eye witness accounts are a big argument in this thread. So I posted reports that there is more witnesses then just the ones we keep reading about in this thread. Nothing wrong with including all the information available right?
Punchy4486
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I think the lawyer is saying the opposite. Brown supporters will ignore or discount Wilson-defending eyewitness accounts
Edit: never mind. I see what you're saying.
CesspoolofHatred
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I'm skeptical about where these eyewitnesses came from all of a sudden.
I mean, weren't there a bunch of eyewitnesses before the grand jury hearing happened that said that Brown was kneeling down with his hands up when he was killed? And now about the same amount has come forward supporting the police officer's account?
The hell is going on here?
I mean, weren't there a bunch of eyewitnesses before the grand jury hearing happened that said that Brown was kneeling down with his hands up when he was killed? And now about the same amount has come forward supporting the police officer's account?
The hell is going on here?
Random Painted HIghway
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Would you expect something different from the attorney representing the family of the deceased?hes not being paid to be neutral here.
BloodMoney
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Some eyewitnesses came forward, some didn't. At this point I don't think we know how many witnesses there were or what they've had to say except those who have come forward on their own.
Well according to the sources the witnesses are scared to talk publicly because of the tension. Who wants to be the people who side with the police? In that context why they haven't come forward publicly makes sense.
Chie Satonaka
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Full on comedy at this point.
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