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The source said Wilson told investigators he had placed the SUV in park. When Wilson tried to get out of the SUV, Brown slammed its door shut and punched Wilson in the left side of the face through the open window, the source said.

Wilson, trapped in the front seat, couldn’t use his pepper spray in the confined space because it would incapacitate him as well. His baton was at the back of his utility belt, where he was essentially sitting on it. He did not have a Taser. So he drew his gun.

Brown grabbed the pistol using his right hand, with his elbow against Wilson. Wilson described Brown as incredibly strong, the source said.

During the struggle, Brown handed the cigarillos to Johnson, then swung his left hand and hit Wilson on the right side of the face. Wilson said he almost lost consciousness, the source said. Brown then began to use his left hand in the struggle for the gun, and turned the pistol until the barrel was against Wilson’s hip.

Wilson positioned his finger to try to prevent Brown from reaching the trigger. When Wilson pulled himself back toward the passenger side of the SUV, Brown’s grip loosened enough for Wilson to try to pull the trigger, the source said.

But the gun didn’t fire. Wilson said he believed that Brown’s hand may have been on the hammer, preventing it from moving, the source said.

Then he turn and ran but stopped then turned back around to attack the armed officer?? All of this makes no fucking sense.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

I'm skeptical about where these eyewitnesses came from all of a sudden.

I mean, weren't there a bunch of eyewitnesses before the grand jury hearing happened that said that Brown was kneeling down with his hands up when he was killed? And now about the same amount has come forward supporting the police officer's account?

The hell is going on here?

Well, for one, you really don't have any public witnesses about the initial conflict other than Johnson, they could be witnesses on that part. Secondly, we don't know specifics of the corroboration, how far and in what points. Thirdly, even the public eyewitnesses have differed on important points of the event. Fourthly, can't blame someone for not wanting to be in the public eye under the circumstances and only coming forward under the secrecy of the grand jury, bystander effect and all.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Then he turn and ran but stopped then turned back around to attack the armed officer?? All of this makes no fucking sense.

That's the big question mark for me, right now. Brown struggled to get Wilson's gun, ran 100 feet until warning shots (I guess?) made him stop, then he turned, and charged?

Then he turn and ran but stopped then turned back around to attack the armed officer?? All of this makes no fucking sense.

He musta been CRAZY on that reefer!

 

[captive]

My question is, where all the eye witnesses that spoke to the media allowed to testify?

 

[KHarvey16]

That's the big question mark for me, right now. Brown struggled to get Wilson's gun, ran 100 feet until warning shots (I guess?) made him stop, then he turned, and charged?

I think the officer claimed he didn't shoot until he turned back toward him. I'm not sure whether or not the autopsy supports that.

 

[Jmanunknown]

I wish they would just go ahead get this over with they are not gonna charge him. They are only doing Mike Brown's family an injustice by continually dragging this out. Police have a lot of leeway when it comes to killing citizens and I am sure the execution of Mike Brown falls within that leeway especially after what happened in the John Crawford shooting. They have video in the John Crawford shooting of the police killing him an unarmed innocent man minding his business and yet their were still no charges. Mike Brown's family never had a chance for justice from the beginning. The system is literally designed to shield police officers from charges in cases like this.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Then he turn and ran but stopped then turned back around to attack the armed officer?? All of this makes no fucking sense.

"Brown was incredibly strong"

Holy shit now we're on full on farce.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Everyone knows melanin resists bullets and combines with adrenaline to give otherworldly strength

Come on guys

 

[empanada]

Sounds like most people have already made up their minds regardless of any new evidence or information. Anyway, I think the truth lies somewhere in between the two sides of the story....Local police/goverment corruption and violent protesters doesn't help things either.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Its not unheard of. You haven't already forgotten that there's video of a man being suffocated to death in broad daylight by cops over suspicion of selling loose cigarettes, did you?

Neither is a dude attacking/trying to kill a cop for no reason.

 

[J10]

Then he turn and ran but stopped then turned back around to attack the armed officer?? All of this makes no fucking sense.

Probably because he's lying. And he's going to get away with it.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Sounds like most people have already made up their minds regardless of any new evidence or information. Anyway, I think the truth lies somewhere in between the two sides of the story....Local police/goverment corruption and violent protesters doesn't help things either.

It doesn't seem to matter what the autopsy said. People were only going to believe it if it supported their "side."

 

[Malyse]

It doesn't seem to matter what the autopsy said. People were only going to believe it if it supported their "side."

That's not true and you know it.

 

[Corronchilejano]

It doesn't seem to matter what the autopsy said. People were only going to believe it if it supported their "side."

Have you read an autopsy before this one? Do you know what information is supposed to be disclosed in an autopsy?

 

[El Odio]

So if Wilson doesn't get convicted what are the chances he pulls a Zimmerman and shows up in the news ever other month?

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

Have you read an autopsy before this one? Do you know what information is supposed to be disclosed in an autopsy?

Are you implying that there is something improper about the St. Louis autopsy that was released?

 

[Kurdel]

Are you implying that there is something improper about the St. Louis autopsy that was released?

I think he is saying there is a lot of motivated reasoning, and laymen interpreting autopsy reports is not something you see everyday.

 

[Corronchilejano]

Are you implying that there is something improper about the St. Louis autopsy that was released?

I'm implying it seems he has neither read this autopsy nor any before it and does not know the type of information (completely open to interpretation) that autopsies actually provide.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Neither is a dude attacking/trying to kill a cop for no reason.

... you really probably want to come back with something other than "well, Brown just attacked him for some reason. That's my evidence".

 

[kehs]

I just looked through the 11 bullet injuries in the autopsy.

ALL of the body/head wounds were downward and backward. ALL of the arm injuries were upwards and backwards.

Fucking hell.

e: Can someone please point out where any of the wounds show there was gun residue on him? I can't find it, and I've read through the document three times.

Nevermind, the microscopic page.

Microscopic Slide Examination:
Skin and Muscle: Sections of the tissue from the right hand show multiple fragments of skin and a single fragment of skeletal muscle. There is darkly pigmented foreign particulate matter present on the superficial surface ofthe stratum corneum and also embedded within the stratum comeum of the skin fragments. A mixture of pigmented and non- pigmented foreign partieulare matter is present focally within the dennis of some of the skin tissue fragments and within the skeletal muscle tissue fragment, Some of non -pigmented particulate matter is polarizable. The previously described partiicles of foreign particulate mane: are consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm.

This is a finding from a microscopic look at tissue. You can find GSR with a broader chemical test.

If the tissue samples are taken from near the bullet graze wounds on the hand, of course you are going to find microscopic traces of byproduct discharges from the barrel of a firearm.

If there was heavy amounts of GSR from close range(according to the officer he was going for his gun when it went off), they would have found it ages ago, since they so delicately "bagged his hands to preserve evidence" and they do much (cheaper) and quicker tests for GSR.

Supplemental Microscopic Examination Report
Microscopic Slide Examination:
Tissue fragment: Sections ofthe tissue fragment from the “exterior surface ofthe police officer's motor vehicie" are consistent with a fragment of skin overlying soft (connective) tissue. There are features of desiccalion/drying artifact present within the soit tissue. There is a granular layer present within the upper layer of stratified squamous epithelium. Focally, lightly pigmented keratinocytes are present within the basal layer ofthe stratified squamous epithelium.

The skin they found on the door matches the "basal layer of the stratified squamous epithelium".

For anyone that isn't aware of what the "basal layer" of the epithelium is, It's the deepest part of your skin, before you get to the fat/muscle tissue.

 

[Coins]

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/22/police-investigating-assault-and-theft-following-argument-between-brown-family-relatives/

Police sources tell us Brown`s Grandmother, Pearlie Gordon, along with Brown`s Cousin Tony Petty, were selling t-shirts and other Michael Brown merchandise.

A police report describes a car pulling up and several people getting out. One of those people, was reported to be Michael Brown`s Mom, Lesley McSpadden. A witness described McSpadden yelling ‘You can`t sell this s%$&” One of the relatives, who was selling, reportedly demanded McSpadden show a document proving she had a patent.

The police report says that`s when an unidentified person with McSpadden assaulted Petty so violently that it resulted in a 911 call. A witness tells Fox 2 that the weapon was a metal pipe or pole. The suspect reportedly struck Petty in the face. Medics then took him to Christian Northeast Hospital. The witness said the assault suspect grabbed merchandise and a box of cash believed to contain about $1,400.

Woke up to this on the local news. Crazy.

 

[Gonzalez]

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/22/police-investigating-assault-and-theft-following-argument-between-brown-family-relatives/



Woke up to this on the local news. Crazy.

 

[freddy]

A police report describes a car pulling up and several people getting out. One of those people, was reported to be Michael Brown`s Mom, Lesley McSpadden. A witness described McSpadden yelling ‘You can`t sell this s%$&” One of the relatives, who was selling, reportedly demanded McSpadden show a document proving she had a patent.

The police report says that`s when an unidentified person with McSpadden assaulted Petty so violently that it resulted in a 911 call. A witness tells Fox 2 that the weapon was a metal pipe or pole. The suspect reportedly struck Petty in the face. Medics then took him to Christian Northeast Hospital. The witness said the assault suspect grabbed merchandise and a box of cash believed to contain about $1,400.

I hope they don't lay charges on the mother over this. The mothers wishes should be honoured and it's a pretty shitty thing to be doing.

 

[Malyse]

I hope they don't lay charges on the mother over this. The mothers wishes should be honoured and it's a pretty shitty thing to be doing.

Real talk. Fuck you if you made a g off my son's death.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Real talk. Fuck you if you made a g of my son's death.

eh, gonna lose a lot of sympathy for nearly beating someone to death over some tshirts.

 

[Malyse]

eh, gonna lose a lot of sympathy for nearly beating someone to death over some tshirts.

Fuck people who would lose sympathy for a grieving mother attacking someone exploiting her dead son.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Fuck people who would lose sympathy for a grieving mother attacking someone exploiting her dead son.

Dude. It was his grandma and cousin. IDK about you but family disputes are not settled with lead pipes.

 

[Malyse]

Dude. It was his grandma and cousin. IDK about you but family disputes are not settled with lead pipes.

You seem not understand that immediate family and distant family isn't the same thing.

 

[kehs]

Easy there alienshogun.

e: Probably out of line.

 

[ModBot]

Folks, the posts have been deleted and ilikecandy is banned. Let's move on.

 

[bishoptl]

 

[Corronchilejano]

Dude. It was his grandma and cousin. IDK about you but family disputes are not settled with lead pipes.

You seem not understand that immediate family and distant family isn't the same thing.

The beating still isn't justified. It's your family too, someone could've been seriously injured.

I don't know how "sympathy" will affect the non-trial the cop will get.

 

[Flo_Evans]

The beating still isn't justified. It's your family too, someone could've been seriously injured.

I don't know how "sympathy" will affect the non-trial the cop will get.

By sympathy I mean public support for charges, people attending rallies, making donations. Public figures showing up and giving speeches.

You know the entire reason the Feds showed up and this is even going to a grand jury?

 

[Coins]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.

Some of the physical evidence — including blood spatter analysis, shell casings and ballistics tests — also supports Wilson’s account of the shooting, The Post’s sources said, which casts Brown as an aggressor who threatened the officer’s life. The sources spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are prohibited from publicly discussing the case.

Well this will make the discussion interesting.

 

[Malyse]

By sympathy I mean public support for charges, people attending rallies, making donations. Public figures showing up and giving speeches.

You know the entire reason the Feds showed up and this is even going to a grand jury?

Trayvon shows sympathy, even presidential, don't mean shit.

 

[Xcellere]

Those are some sexy pumps you've got there bish.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Trayvon shows sympathy, even presidential, don't mean shit.

There wouldn't have even been a trial if not for public support.

Look, its not going to change much but no one is going to listen to her about "peaceful protest" and "justice" when she is out whacking people with tire irons. Its not going to change the minds of the grand jury but the people out there marching and demanding police accountablity in support of her and her son just dropped dramatically.

 

[Malyse]

There wouldn't have even been a trial if not for public support.

Look, its not going to change much but no one is going to listen to her about "peaceful protest" and "justice" when she is out whacking people with tire irons. Its not going to change the minds of the grand jury but the people out there marching and demanding police accountablity in support of her and her son just dropped dramatically.

Unless you have some data to back that up, I'm gonna need you to not state your opinions like they are facts.

 

[CrankyJay]

Unless you have some data to back that up, I'm gonna need you to not state your opinions like they are facts.

Let's not get meta. You can append your own "in my opinion".

 

[Dali]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html



Well this will make the discussion interesting.

What a shitty article and deceptive title. The several witnesses that they mention in the article that gave accounts nearly immediately after the incident rather than months later in front of a grand jury don't count apparently. And as stated in the article itself they have no way of knowing from the autopsy if his hands were up first and then dropped after, well ya know, being shot. Lastly the specialists say the autopsy indicates brown was moving toward his killer. Then they go on to say there's no way of knowing how fast. So the movement could have been a stumble of a dying man (or maybe even the killer taking steps closer himself to get a better shot) for all we know.

 

[Coins]

What a shitty article and deceptive title. The several witnesses that they mention in the article that gave accounts nearly immediately after the incident rather than months later in front of a grand jury don't count apparently. And as stated in the article itself they have no way of knowing from the autopsy if his hands were up first and then dropped after, well ya know, being shot. Lastly the specialists say the autopsy indicates brown was moving toward his killer. Then they go on to say there's no way of knowing how fast. So the movement could have been a stumble of a dying man (or maybe even the killer taking steps closer himself to get a better shot) for all we know.

The witnesses that gave statements supporting the cop were probably in fear for their life. I wouldn't have come out right away, either. The gangs have a huge influence in that area and aren't afraid to flex it.

 

[Corronchilejano]

The witnesses that gave statements supporting the cop were probably in fear for their life. I wouldn't have come out right away, either. The gangs have a huge influence in that area and aren't afraid to flex it.

Except that no one has ever manifested the fact, and we do know that the first time the police spoke of "half a dozen witnesses" they weren't actually eye witnesses.

What do gangs have anything to do here? They've never been an issue, not even during the "rioting."

 

[Dali]

The witnesses that gave statements supporting the cop were probably in fear for their life. I wouldn't have come out right away, either. The gangs have a huge influence in that area and aren't afraid to flex it.

So we are to ignore the other witnesses that gave similar accounts of the incident indicating the cop shot mike brown in cold blood with the events fresh on their mind and instead title an article "evidence supports officer's account of the shooting?"

 

[Tristam]

There wouldn't have even been a trial if not for public support.

Look, its not going to change much but no one is going to listen to her about "peaceful protest" and "justice" when she is out whacking people with tire irons. Its not going to change the minds of the grand jury but the people out there marching and demanding police accountablity in support of her and her son just dropped dramatically.

You keep stating that she hit her relatives with a pipe when the article does not say that.

 

[Maxim726X]

So we are to ignore the other witnesses that gave similar accounts of the incident indicating the cop shot mike brown in cold blood with the events fresh on their mind and instead title an article "evidence supports officer's account of the shooting?"

If that were the case, wouldnt the ballistics/autopsy report support that claim?

From all indications, that's not how it went down.

 

[Dali]

If that were the case, wouldnt the ballistics/autopsy report support that claim?

From all indications, that's not how it went down.

I don't see anything that completely invalidates the witnesses. They think he was shot in the back before turning around based on his reaction after being shot at from behind. The autopsy I believe at least one of the shots may have been at close range. Ok. There were several shots fired. What in the autopsy is clearly contradicting the witnesses?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Easy there alienshogun.

e: Probably out of line.

Eh?

Dude. It was his grandma and cousin. IDK about you but family disputes are not settled with lead pipes.

This, if she indeed attack with a weapon, she should be prosecuted.

I don't see anything that completely invalidates the witnesses. They think he was shot in the back before turning around based on his reaction after being shot at from behind. The autopsy I believe at least one of the shots may have been at close range. Ok. There were several shots fired. What in the autopsy is clearly contradicting the witnesses?

Probably of the being shot on the back and the one of the dude saying Wilson walked up on brown as he was laying down and put more rounds into him.

That's just a few though.


People loved to post this one.



http://youtu.be/Q8BG-B50xHo

 

[Tristam]

This, if she indeed attack with a weapon, she should be prosecuted.

Nothing in the linked article indicates that she physically attacked her relatives.

 

[KHarvey16]

What a shitty article and deceptive title. The several witnesses that they mention in the article that gave accounts nearly immediately after the incident rather than months later in front of a grand jury don't count apparently. And as stated in the article itself they have no way of knowing from the autopsy if his hands were up first and then dropped after, well ya know, being shot. Lastly the specialists say the autopsy indicates brown was moving toward his killer. Then they go on to say there's no way of knowing how fast. So the movement could have been a stumble of a dying man (or maybe even the killer taking steps closer himself to get a better shot) for all we know.

The eyewitness accounts supporting the officer's version of the story were not recorded at the same time as all the other eyewitness accounts?

 

[BronsonLee]

Eh?

This, if she indeed attack with a weapon, she should be prosecuted.

I think that post is related to the block of stuff that got deleted earlier because someone was being a dumbass.

I don't think she was the one who used the weapon, unless my memory has failed me