Shuhei Yoshida evaluation thread
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Piston Hyundai
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The weird, Newell-esque cult of personality developed over him flies in the face of me not touching my PS4 for months.
icecoldkilla
Banned
he's doing okay, just needs to be more open to his fans like phil spencer is. I want him doing more interviews
LowlySmokeGuy
Banned
I'm not going to pretend to know exactly how well he is doing his job, but some of his tweets and antics crack me up, so he's cool in that respect.
backbreaker65
Banned
Oh fuck it, I have nothing else to do, let me a thread about shu and his over site.
You are right.
I thought Scott Rohde and Michael Denny were responsible for America and Europe respectively, but there are so many conflicting articles (Sony's vice president Michael Denny) and me misinterpreting vice-presidency to mean something else.
I updated the OP.
Do you want me to cross-post posts? This thread was created because I read such posts 10 minutes ago.
If you don't want to participate you don't need to participate.
1.21Gigawatts
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Since when is he head of WWS?
Because if prefer Sonys 1st party output over Microsofts and Nintendos since about 2008.
Because if prefer Sonys 1st party output over Microsofts and Nintendos since about 2008.
It's more about letting your top studio develop a "rated M" game that promotes stealth instead of shooting. Add to that the fact that they green lit the project after a series like Uncharted which is the complete opposite and got quite popular.
Poor Uncharted 4 ;_; Aside from lack of announced WWS games I'm optimistic their output will satisfy me throughout the gen once they get the games out as they have in past gens.
Hes been doing well. Gives the company a face and his job performance has been good. In his tenure at the position since 2008 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/yoshida-san-i-have-big-plans-for-worldwide-studios), I'd say the decisions and games that have come out since then have been excellent with some exceptions, but it's an issue of not knowing how the a game will really do.
also this just seems like a thread for orochi to come in and spout his hate and then says hes going to make a petition to remove him
Since forever.
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Deleted member 80556
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Eh, no. I meant taking risks with the main character, which was Ellie. Not the zombie thing. EDIT: Not to mention let the studio make the game when they had no experience in mature (as in not campy story or character) games.
Wenger'sBakedBaguettes
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Yep. Quite likeable personality and a passionate man.
If he moved all of their 2013 PS3 exclusives to the PS4 I don't think people would be asking for him to be removed.
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I think he's pretty good for giving Tearaway and Gravity Rush (we know it's coming) another chance on PS4, hiring more devs to create new IPs for them (The Tomorrow Children, Bloodborne, Rime, etc), and allowing most of their 1st party studios to create new AAA IPs (Bend, GG, MM, London Studios, SSM until it was canceled, etc).
On the negative side, Killzone should be dead by now and if Cambridge is working on the next one I'm doing to be pissed. They're a good studio that should get a chance to create a new IP. Driveclub should've been delayed again to sort out the online issues and to add weather/the other big content that's coming. I heard inFamous needed more content and was a step down from the previous game in many ways. When Driveclub & inFamous clearly needed more time, I don't understand why they put out so many 2013 PS3 games.
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I think he's pretty good for giving Tearaway and Gravity Rush (we know it's coming) another chance on PS4, hiring more devs to create new IPs for them (The Tomorrow Children, Bloodborne, Rime, etc), and allowing most of their 1st party studios to create new AAA IPs (Bend, GG, MM, London Studios, SSM until it was canceled, etc).
On the negative side, Killzone should be dead by now and if Cambridge is working on the next one I'm doing to be pissed. They're a good studio that should get a chance to create a new IP. Driveclub should've been delayed again to sort out the online issues and to add weather/the other big content that's coming. I heard inFamous needed more content and was a step down from the previous game in many ways. When Driveclub & inFamous clearly needed more time, I don't understand why they put out so many 2013 PS3 games.
How is that risky if she's barely even a playable character? If she's the main character as you say then I don't see the risk if you're playing as Joel for most of the game.
Mass_Pincup
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He's okay, but it seems like he can't build a good lineup every year.
PS3 had an awful 2012 but an awesome 2013.
Vita launch was good(UC:G, W2048, GR) but the rest of the year was dreadful, while the second year was a better (SS, KZ:M, Tearaway). Then he flat out abandoned the system (still bitter about that)
PS4 first year was awful IMO but the second year is shaping up to be one of the greatest (Bloodborne, The Order, Uncharted 4, Rime...)
It's seems as if he can only managed one system at a time.
Overall I would give him a C
Edit: Totally forgot that he killed Liverpool, Zipper and that London haven't made a real game since forever ago.
PS3 had an awful 2012 but an awesome 2013.
Vita launch was good(UC:G, W2048, GR) but the rest of the year was dreadful, while the second year was a better (SS, KZ:M, Tearaway). Then he flat out abandoned the system (still bitter about that)
PS4 first year was awful IMO but the second year is shaping up to be one of the greatest (Bloodborne, The Order, Uncharted 4, Rime...)
It's seems as if he can only managed one system at a time.
Overall I would give him a C
Edit: Totally forgot that he killed Liverpool, Zipper and that London haven't made a real game since forever ago.
What does what you do with your PS4 specifically have to do with his job though?
Papacheeks
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This is a joke post right?
The guy has been on GiantBomb drinking beers with Adam Boyes.
Answers questions on Twitter feeds, and on Q&A on Playstation Blogs.
The guy has been really the face of Playstation right now. The same would be said about Phil Spencer and Miayamoto.
He might not be perfect when giving news about upcoming games. But he seems to be enthusiastic about games on his platform and others.
You are literally the first person to bring up MS in this thread
The first party lineup so far has been predictable and dull as anything. We really didn't need more Infamous and we really didn't need more Killzone. First parties really should be concentrating on creating experiences that third parties aren't/won't. I really hope some fresher stuff gets announced in 2015. I still miss PS2-era Sony first party.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
What did he do to Gran Turismo?
He is responsible for first party games, not PSN.
Nightengale
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Phil Harrison left at 2008. We can assume that projects up till early 2010 was still part of Harrison's portfolio, so we can approximately assess and evaluate Shu from 2010 onwards:
My personal evaluation :
By year:
2010 : B+
2011 : A
2012 : C
2013 : A
2014 : B-
2015 : Unknown
Overall:
2010-2014 : B+
What I like:
Largely appears to give a lot of creative leeway to their first-party teams. Collaboration efforts with independent devs have helped to elevate many devs's portfolios. Seems to favor new IPs.
Criticism:
The Sony Cycle. Lacks consistency in product schedule planning, thus leading to what I feel are 'high -> low -> high -> lows' in their product output. I feel like Sony could be better served to work on building stronger consistency in their annual output.
That's about it, personally.
My personal evaluation :
By year:
2010 : B+
2011 : A
2012 : C
2013 : A
2014 : B-
2015 : Unknown
Overall:
2010-2014 : B+
What I like:
Largely appears to give a lot of creative leeway to their first-party teams. Collaboration efforts with independent devs have helped to elevate many devs's portfolios. Seems to favor new IPs.
Criticism:
The Sony Cycle. Lacks consistency in product schedule planning, thus leading to what I feel are 'high -> low -> high -> lows' in their product output. I feel like Sony could be better served to work on building stronger consistency in their annual output.
That's about it, personally.
I do like Shu and he's pretty accessible. However a few complaints. First, the inability to reign in on The Last Guardian. Whips should have been cracked for wasting time. Getting the equivalent of Nintendo EAD in Japan for Sony. There are quality resources in Japan, it seems they are all going to Nintendo R&D. First party throughout and quality is all on him. It's been ok, not outstanding. Which title has been a system must have for Sony?
He killed nothing
I think it was Santa monicas fault
they overestimate himself, like what happened in Driveclub
Their dreams were too big for this age, technology wasnt advanced
We should be proud of him
I think he was the guy who gave ND the order to develop TLOU
And GT6 was a mistake, they shouldnt release it for PS3, they had to wait.
PS3 was already dead after TLOU and GTA V
But I'm sure GT7 will be a big step into next gen racing
DirgeExtinction
Member
I don't have much in the form of complaints about him. I do hope people don't blame him for Evo's issues with their servers, though.
BruiserBear
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I'm glad to see this thread created, because I, and I think many other people who think about the bigger picture, see this is a topic worth discussing. Sony has so many internal studios, but it feels to me like they just aren't outputting that much, and when they do it's often not to the quality level it should be. Standards change overtime, and sometimes it feels like their studios aren't keeping up.
It's very hard to pin the Sony studios situation on Shuhei alone, as we really have no idea exactly how much support he has, how big the team surrounding him is, etc. but there is no doubt their worldwide studios just aren't outputting games at the quality level you'd expect.
Knack
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Infamous: Second Son
Driveclub
Those are the big PS4 exclusives we've had so far, and quite honestly, I feel like all of them came off as very flawed products. I'd like to directly contrast them to competing products, but I have a feeling I'd be attacked for doing so. Needless to say, I feel like there are competing projects out there that set more ambitious goals, and often execute on a higher level of quality. It's truly disappointing, as I feel like a little help here and there could really turn things around, so I hope they shake things up soon.
It's very hard to pin the Sony studios situation on Shuhei alone, as we really have no idea exactly how much support he has, how big the team surrounding him is, etc. but there is no doubt their worldwide studios just aren't outputting games at the quality level you'd expect.
Knack
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Infamous: Second Son
Driveclub
Those are the big PS4 exclusives we've had so far, and quite honestly, I feel like all of them came off as very flawed products. I'd like to directly contrast them to competing products, but I have a feeling I'd be attacked for doing so. Needless to say, I feel like there are competing projects out there that set more ambitious goals, and often execute on a higher level of quality. It's truly disappointing, as I feel like a little help here and there could really turn things around, so I hope they shake things up soon.
He loves his Vita but that hasn't translated into quality output (first party) for the Vita. Big misses in getting a quality Call of Duty for Vita. It wasn't a first party title but we all know Sony paid for the darn thing to be created and used a fourth rate developer to make it. Iron Galaxy should have gotten whatever resources to get Borderlands Vita rock solid 30 FPS. Again, not first party but Sony pushed for it. God of War Collection was an absolute abortion.
Well, don't pull the "I would compare to something else, but I would get attacked" card, because at this point you already did it.
Either make your point clearly or don't bother. This wishy-washy approach is 10 times worse.
Portugeezer
Member
He is ok.
Was really good for the PS4 before launch.
Was really good for the PS4 before launch.
What did I just read?
OT: I'm gonna hold my judgement on him until after 2015. The biggest franchises will be releasing games on the PS4 in the coming years and I want to see how they handle them.
Alcoholikaust
Member
*success
This is just the beginning, think what happens when The Order 1886, LBP3, UC4, No mans Sky, Bloodborne and wild coming.
It's just the beginning
Papacheeks
Banned
Seriously?
Those were all Launch Window games. Come next year, and 2016 you won't be so negative on Sony. Let's see how Wild. Rime. No man's Sky, Abzu, The Tomorrow Children(looks banana's after seeing stream last week) turn out before shitting on a company that has had to dig it's way out the whole last generation dug them.
And to your argument about quality, MS games right now might have a higher Metacritic score, but they don't own the IP's nor most of the studios that are putting the games out.
He's very likeable and managed to turn around Sony's videogame business in the last few years and I respect that. On the other hand, Sony's software output has been pretty poor lately and that's a pretty huge problem, although it doesn't seem to affect sales. A console's first year is always barren though, so I'll withhold judgement, I'm sure there will be plenty of games eventually. He doesn't give a fuck about Vita though.
No Man's Sky and Abzu are not WWS games and thus not under Yoshida. That credit goes to the third party relations team.
He did a great job. To me, WWS is now the real value of PlayStation.
Back in 2007, PS3 looked like a huge disaster. Games were going also on 360 and they were even better, performance wise. Now with PC the situation is similar.
Today, WWS is really the most precious thing they have and they should invest even more in them.
Back in 2007, PS3 looked like a huge disaster. Games were going also on 360 and they were even better, performance wise. Now with PC the situation is similar.
Today, WWS is really the most precious thing they have and they should invest even more in them.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
He authorized the development and release of a butchered product, he basically killed the ip there and then, not even his salvage job with the digital release of Spec II on PS4 will do anything. It's over!
Yoshida needs to be sent Ken K's way.