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I thought the fight was bad,they could make it more interesting, i mean,its still the Avatar, are you telling me that Kuvira is used to fight airbenders and firebenders too? Korra should had given her one hit or two.
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Icyflamez96
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Mainly what this fight really made me realize is what an extremely bland and boring fighter she actually is. I always kind of knew this, but now it's hitting me hard. She is so upfront, and doesn't take advantage of the defining traits of each element she controls nearly as much as she should.
Korra with her arms and legs chained together would have done a better job. At least that would have forced her to be creative.
Icyflamez96
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So what's Korra's next move? She's obviously going to link back up with the old gang and Tenzin. Wu probably comes back. But how can they justify any course of action against Kuvira, especially considering she has the most formidable army in the world at this point?
Korra isn't feeling herself, so she and at least Mako go to see Zaheer. Zaheer says some slick shit like "I was wondering when you'd come see me" as he whips his mane around and I win my bet with Tuck. Then I guess Bolin and Varrick tell the President and everyone else that Kuvira has weapons of mass destruction so Raiko goes full Bush and invades Zaofu?
Hard to get a stable stance when gale force winds are swirling all around you.
Korra isn't feeling herself, so she and at least Mako go to see Zaheer. Zaheer says some slick shit like "I was wondering when you'd come see me" as he whips his mane around and I win my bet with Tuck. Then I guess Bolin and Varrick tell the President and everyone else that Kuvira has weapons of mass destruction so Raiko goes full Bush and invades Zaofu?
Hard to get a stable stance when gale force winds are swirling all around you.
Pretty sure that is a theme that has always dogged Korra, in fact, this is the first time she has really tried to understand the situation rather than hulk smash. If you want to blame anybody from a character standpoint, blame Sulyn and one of the stupidest assassination attempts I have ever seen.
If there is anything I like about this episode, it's that it showed a side of Kuvira we really haven't seen before. I feel I get her character more now.
Like, before, she was just a stoic faced badass whose true motives I couldn't read. As in, I didn't know if she taking over the earth kingdom out of the belief that it really was the right thing to do or if she was just really bitter at Suyin and was doing this as a giant middle finger or what.
Turns out, she gets off on domination. Notice how she acted to Korra's challenge. She was actually smiling like a normal person. She was loving the idea of fighting the avatar. THE AVATAR. Keep in mind that this is a person that's supposed to be able to throw mountains at people in the avatar state. Even Ozai, the best fire bender in the world and a sociopath was all "OH SHIT I AM SO FUCKED" when Aang started glowing.
Kuvira on the other hand is having the time of her life. I mean, she had no reason to believe Korra wouldn't immediately wreck her shit from the onset (How would she know that Korra's been weak these past few months, or that she would have trouble with the AS). THere is no reason she shouldn't have expected to be completely anniliated, but somehow she was happy and looking forward to it. What the hell...
No wonder Junior is so devoted to her. She probably ties him up and calls him Slave Boy during sex.
Like, before, she was just a stoic faced badass whose true motives I couldn't read. As in, I didn't know if she taking over the earth kingdom out of the belief that it really was the right thing to do or if she was just really bitter at Suyin and was doing this as a giant middle finger or what.
Turns out, she gets off on domination. Notice how she acted to Korra's challenge. She was actually smiling like a normal person. She was loving the idea of fighting the avatar. THE AVATAR. Keep in mind that this is a person that's supposed to be able to throw mountains at people in the avatar state. Even Ozai, the best fire bender in the world and a sociopath was all "OH SHIT I AM SO FUCKED" when Aang started glowing.
Kuvira on the other hand is having the time of her life. I mean, she had no reason to believe Korra wouldn't immediately wreck her shit from the onset (How would she know that Korra's been weak these past few months, or that she would have trouble with the AS). THere is no reason she shouldn't have expected to be completely anniliated, but somehow she was happy and looking forward to it. What the hell...
No wonder Junior is so devoted to her. She probably ties him up and calls him Slave Boy during sex.
JadedWriter
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Korra has no proper technique, meanwhile Kuvira is all technique, Kuvira danced around her and Korra couldn't do shit without her win button. Korra should just be ashamed, imagine if Kuvira had airbending, would've been embarrassing. Seems like it's almost confirmed that Lin, minus season 2 is the most intelligent Bei Fong.
How about actually earthbend, instead of just running straight to the kids. What were they going to do, beat the children into submission?
Maybe, but I just feel that this isn't going anywhere. At this point I fail to see how Korra can be redeemed as a protagonist and Kuvira defeated without beating the lesser evil for the bigger one.
Yeah I know. I just meant, they already focused on Korra being broken and her "getting back" to herself. That is what 4 episodes were spent on (while the Kuvira plot slowly played out in the background. They haven't even done much to sell us on Kuvira either, let a lone the conflict).
So I guess what I'm saying is, the theme of her not being relevant has always been doggin her. She doesn't need to be physically weak and broken to still have that theme play out. They could have still had it play out with her not knowing how to deal with the political strife and her role in all of this. So I 'm not sure why they need to fall back on Korra still being broken physically. Especially when the season has already been going along at snails pace.
Hah yes. Su is an irritating character isn't she? I always disliked her because of Lin's plot. But lol what she did here. SMH.
And for the record, NO OPAL IS NOT EVIL. Su is just an idiot.
Even if she does beat Kuvira, it would pretty much make her look bad... From people's eyes (Little Ba-Sing-Se's at least,) Kuvira is actually helping the Earth kingdom lol
My Theories
- The rest of the world will likely use Bolin's supposed death as a rallying cry against Kuvira
- Republic City will be next on the unification list, as it was Earth Kingdom land taken by the Fire Nation, then repurposed by Aang & Zuko
- The previous point will get the new Fire Lord (Zuko's daughter) & Zuko himself involved
- Republic City will probably suffer the fate of Hiroshima, or at least part of the city, at the hands of the Spirit Weapon.
- Kuvira is gonna go full-on Balalaika
- The rest of the world will likely use Bolin's supposed death as a rallying cry against Kuvira
- Republic City will be next on the unification list, as it was Earth Kingdom land taken by the Fire Nation, then repurposed by Aang & Zuko
- The previous point will get the new Fire Lord (Zuko's daughter) & Zuko himself involved
- Republic City will probably suffer the fate of Hiroshima, or at least part of the city, at the hands of the Spirit Weapon.
- Kuvira is gonna go full-on Balalaika
Trey, no. She is 100% Ozai.
Also what character, Kuvira is pretty bland in personality. As was Ozai. I would say they are pretty matched.
Icyflamez96
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Kuvira is much more entertaining than Ozai.
-Doubtful, too easy to lie about it and say that Varrik screwed up and blew them up.
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-Ehhhhhh maybe
-Completely unsure honestly
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Admiral Woofington
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They can't really use Bolin and Varrick's death as a rallying cry when nobody knows they're supposedly dead.
JadedWriter
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My god this was funny. She's the Ira Gamagoori of the Avatar world. I liked how she just trash talked her. She had so much fun fighting Korra. Yeah this was like the first episode she acted like a normal human being giggling and what not while fighting the most powerful person on earth. I guess for the finale she'll be like Grey Fox, "Hurt me more Korra."
Train of Midnight
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Any reason Korra doesn't bend the metal Kuvira is wearing?
Well, she has more screen time. So clearly she is going to be more entertaining. Although I find Kuvira to be pretty bland as a personality. I liked her design and fighting style. I liked the possibilities of what her character could become, and what she's doing. But so far it's pretty bland, I think.
I still can't get past Kuvira's weak ass fighting though. She proved to be a pathetic villain after that pitiful fight with low tier Korra.
wtf I thought you were above this
Why does everyone wanna project weird stuff onto Kuvira ;_;
Supermanisdead
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yes she's had such a wonderful nuanced characterization including when she did things that were evil, and when she did things that were even more evil and then she did that one thing that was evil and also, when she was evil........
Trey, no. She is 100% Ozai.
Also what character, Kuvira is pretty bland in personality. As was Ozai. I would say they are pretty matched.
I think my favorite character moment in this episode is when they actually gave Kuvira a bit of a personality power up and having her actually act as giddy as a schoolgirl; practically dancing in the battlefield at announcing they had won. Kuvira could do with more touches like that.
Well, she's a blank canvas. The writers want us to fill it in. It's pretty genius writing actually. Kuvira is whatever the fans make her.
I actually cringed at that moment, because Kuvira just got matched by a shit tier Korra. Her fighting was pretty weak. So it was kind of funny to see Kuvira all sweating and her hair down and being like WE WON LETS INVADE. Haha. Made me kind of lose respect for her. Kind of like that moment when Ozai had his powers taken from him, and was like IM THE PHOENIX KING!
Trey, no. She is 100% Ozai.
Also what character, Kuvira is pretty bland in personality. As was Ozai. I would say they are pretty matched.
Kuvira is intelligent as well as ruthless, Ozai is simply ruthless. Ozai is the asshole who heard the idea committing genocide and said "sign me the fuck up."
Kuvira has dynamics her character - she knows people and how to manipulate them. She's very Azulaesque in that regard. Ozai just sits behind his flame wall and glares at people.
The largest parallel I've observed between the two of them is that they both called the Avatar a pussy when they wouldn't finish them off.
The fact that she's supposed to be evil doesn't make her methods of doing what she wants any less nuanced than Ozai's chump ass.
I'm just calling it like I see them, champ. Dominating Korra is the most fun we've seen Kuvira have since she showed up, more so than the ballet or politics. I'm just transferring that attitude into the bedroom.
I think motivation wise, they are pretty much the same. In terms of presentation, she has more screen time, therefore she is going to have more to her character. Although from what we saw of Ozai, I doubt there was more to see from him.
I still think Kuvira is pretty bland though. I do find her manipulation kind of interesting (how she jumps in and out of being calm and then being ruthless). I just wonder if they are actually going to do something with that.
Admiral Woofington
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This show is missing an Uncle character. Somebody who is way too strong but also lovable.
Phoenician_Viking
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I wonder if Korra will be the last avatar. I got really uneasy in the episodes where the kids were searching for her and one guy said, we still got those?
Technology advancement, and state sovereignty will make the avatar obsolete anyway. Yeah the states were sovereign before, but industrialization will bring individuality and more personal freedom, which will make a democratic society, and the new governments might not want the avatar to interfere in their affairs.
Technology advancement, and state sovereignty will make the avatar obsolete anyway. Yeah the states were sovereign before, but industrialization will bring individuality and more personal freedom, which will make a democratic society, and the new governments might not want the avatar to interfere in their affairs.
Tenzin?
Icyflamez96
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I find many things about her entertaining. The way she speaks, the way she moves, her fighting style, her tendency to "do things herself," he EYEBROW RAISE. The screen time helps her for sure, but I don't find her to be boring at all.
Supermanisdead
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kuvira being so hilariously stereotypically evil is just plain dumb. the show would have a lot more depth if she wasn't such a mustache-twirling loon. why is she building a spirit powered bomb instead of making a new source of energy? why is she sending people to concentration camps? it's all very stupid, when they could give the plot some interesting elements by making her more of a sympathetic figure.
She didn't care about beating The Avatar she cared about conquering the city and seeing somebody elated about reaching a major goal is a very natural thing. Also, I am going to correct you on this, she didn't signal the invasion until The Air Nomads did the run-in and on the technical terms broke the rules of the accord. Actually a nice and subtle distinction because that action really does play into Kuvira's political mindset.
Admiral Woofington
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Son I am disappoint
They did explain it...we had like 2 episodes around it...mental breakdown? poison in the body for 3 years?
but whatever, people will complain about everything that happens in this series no matter what it is. I'm having fun and think this series is far better than many of the animated action crap out there, like Ben 10 or Marvels terrible Spidey
GAF is the only place I see such negativity with the series.
Yeah, but it was kind of pathetic. It's like taking your victory when you didn't really win. I dunno. I just wish Kuvira had done more in the fight. It kind of framed her as a weak villain and then someone that was willing to accept her win and declare herself as this god...despite being pretty pathetic. I dunno. The moment just made me laugh.
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Kuvira is definitely gonna say something like "Bolin is dead" to either Opal, Korra, or Mako.
Fans scare me then. Why can't Kuvira be this strong, independent, confident woman who don't need no Bataar Jr? Who can kick ass.
Well, you're on point about this episode being the best we've seen from Kuvira, but just don't take it there. ANYTHING BUT
Deviant Artists and Tumblrs are already doing that. And DreamDrop.
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If she does she'll just say Varrik accidentally killed him.
Cloud Strife
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Same here.Yeah, but it was kind of pathetic. It's like taking your victory when you didn't really win. I dunno. I just wish Kuvira had done more in the fight. It kind of framed her as a weak villain and then someone that was willing to accept her win and declare herself as this god...despite being pretty pathetic. I dunno. The moment just made me laugh.
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I'm a little unsettled at the fact that Korra could easily wreck her and end this season right now.
I might bet on Vaatu returning...hmm
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The largest reason I find Kuvira compelling is that she has a point, and no one has toppled it yet. So politically, the main characters' hands are tied. Honestly I could do without the "re-education" camps because they serve no point but to make Kuvira seem more cartoon evil, but the spirit vine bomb is important because it represents the march of technology, and it represents power. Both of those things are elements Korra will have to deal with.
I see people be negative all the time with this series. It's pretty constant with the fan base. And for good reason. Season 1's ending had a lot of issues. Season 2 was a mess. I can agree that some fans have been way too harsh on Korra as a character. Like after they got fed up with the writing mistakes in the past, they are too quick to jump on her and be negative.
Like I saw some fans saying Korra was bad in Book 3 finale. But I didn't think so at all. I think Korra was great all of Book 3.
Even in Book 4, I'm not a fan of how they are doing this plot. But in terms of the explanation for her being weak, I don't really see this as being her fault per se. I don't like the plot, because I don't like how it's being told (and the overall way this season is progressing). But I'm not blaming Korra.
I think there is a discussion though about Korra's overall fighting style to be had. I've always felt like the writers had to find ways to make the Avatar more competitive. Because the Avatar as a concept has always been OP. So they've taken steps to make Korra more matched with her foes. It's just kind of strange at times (as her bending will sometimes be reduced to fit the fight).
But here, the explanation is that she has metal in her. So whatever. Physically it makes sense.
You can tell from her face that she was saddened by the supposed death of Varrick.
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