Halo 5 beta clips leak (sprint, ADS is *not* COD-style) (more clips and info added)
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Xamtheking
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MGS2 Comparison
You play as Snake(MC) for only the Tutorial, and then you play as Raiden(Locke) for the rest of the game
10% snake to 90% raiden roughly
Chezzymann
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Yeah no one seems to have a consensus on what ADS is. Pistol, BR, Sniper Rifle, Rocket, all had a scoping mechanism but apparently it changes everything when you can see the gun while doing it even though it appears to still be instant when scoping like before
HighResTomato
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CassidyIzABeast
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I'm pretty neutral on this issue, but are you suggesting that ADS is their own thing?
Apparently its just the zoom in from past games disguised as ADS? Either way, I want them to make their own game. If you want them to make pure Halo 2 multiplayer, they've got you covered on Tuesday. I'm not gonna throw them under the bus until I play the game.
matrixman92
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following the shitty course that Halo 4 set I see.
Gravemind IV
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Well, if what Shinobi says is correct -- and I am inclined to believe him -- then damn. I could understand a split like with the Arbiter and Chief, and Halo 2 even had some cut levels (which I believe were MC based). However, if it's 90% Locke and 10% MC.. I won't understand. I want MC and potentially blue team with a little bit of Locke on the side, but don't just try to dump Locke on us.. Palmer already made me wary enough of other spartans.
Compsiox
Banned
No. No one wants their favorite game downgraded into a playlist
whatevermort
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Hey everyone here's a better idea. Why not wait until we've played the Beta and can see if you need ADS, or it's just a thing that they've added? Ditto sprinting? Or, let's wait and see if it's even in the Beta at all, and not just a thing they're testing in some Alpha? Or just wait and see if it isn't actually really really good?
I'm not doubting him, I'm willing to put my faith into him, but come on, I pretty much assumed that was going to happen myself.
WTF! Double spin jump??? What is this crazy shit, this ain't Mario.
WTF? Pulling up turnips for Keys? What the hell?
3D with Triple jumps? GTFO Nintendo.
Cat Suits? Shit just ain't canon! Won't someone think about the lore!!
Flintty
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I'm not disputing that, I'm disputing the comment that MC is being retired. He may feature less in H5 but he will be back
A.D. Skinner
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This is a great post. It's the classic too same/too different comments. Stuff changes, wait to try it first. Sprinting isn't even a problem, from the first teaser it's obviously in. So is a ground pound or tackle or some sort. Maybe even slides and cover! H2 lovers can stay in H2, while I and all the others play H5. They can't lose, neither can the fans. We're getting everything we could possibly get.
Also, should hip fire have no penalty, then always using A.D.S isn't going to help you against who isn't and can still aim (like say, a H2 experienced player) because you'll be all zoomed in while the other player has a wider view and much easier movement. Especially if A.D.S doesn't allow the movement of the aiming player, then they will have lots of trouble aiming.
I love this, so much.
how is it different? It seems like you click and it zooms, now you just see the weapon and not just a black circle, there is no indication whatsoever that it makes the shot more accurate, or that you are slowed down. Or am I missing something?
Chezzymann
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Well I mean, they change the core mechanics in Mario all the time.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Completely agreed.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Those are added features. This is altered core mechanics.
This is not like adding powerups. This is like if they replaced the physics with LBP physics.
If you can't see the difference between those types of changes and what is happening here you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem.
Bornstellar
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That looked like a br scope zoom, but fancier in terms of presentation. As long as movement doesn't change I have no problem with this.
too much eslim
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honestly it would have been better to find this out on Nov 10. A even better option would be if 343 warned us early that they are testing a new zoom mechanic.
I'm still trying to figure out how copying Infinity Ward gameplay is "doing your own thing". 343 isn't experimenting. They're copying.
Chobel
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Shinobi hasn't mentioned any percentages, he only said it's similar to MGS2.
Xamtheking
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1. The 10% thing about Master Chief comes from Shinobi's reference to MGS2 and Snake/Raiden. What the reference means is that you will play as Snake(Master Chief) for only a very short portion of the game and then play as Raiden(Locke) for the rest of it.
The 10/90% is a rough estimate of the difference between Snake/Raiden gameplay respectively in MGS2. Therefore, 10% of game is Master Chief. While this number is not guaranteed, don't expect much.
2. ADS and Scopes. Alright. Big points: Halo DOES NOT HAVE ADS. Halo has IRONSIGHTS.
ADS(Aim Down Sights): Provides better accuracy, slows down movement to a crawl
Ironsights: Provides better accuracy but doesn't mess with movement speed
The 10/90% is a rough estimate of the difference between Snake/Raiden gameplay respectively in MGS2. Therefore, 10% of game is Master Chief. While this number is not guaranteed, don't expect much.
2. ADS and Scopes. Alright. Big points: Halo DOES NOT HAVE ADS. Halo has IRONSIGHTS.
ADS(Aim Down Sights): Provides better accuracy, slows down movement to a crawl
Ironsights: Provides better accuracy but doesn't mess with movement speed
I have made this post to help clarify
The salt is too damn high!! Too late now.
BloodMoney
Banned
This is Neogaf
And this is what happened. The Smash community collectively said "fuck Brawl" and played Melee, even 10+ years after release. 2014 was Melee's biggest year yet.
The Halo community should do the same with CE, or 2, or 3. Play the game you love. Don't just play the new one because it's new if the game itself is shit. SHOW them there's more money to be made by making a real ass Halo game than a shitty COD clone.
I thought the response the Halo 4 was that, but I guess not.
why are you sending them to their execution? that's weird breh
See you don't actually want that because having weapons that actually feel different is a good thing. All weapons feeling similar shooting wise is horribly boring and halo's approach of having fewer, but actually different guns is a strong opint.
Not having ironsights mechanics requires the player to be able to move and shoot at the same time. While slower than something like quake it's what makes Halo a good arena shooter (smiliarily, always being able to run at max speed AND shoot is important).
Among big FPS franchises on consoles, this made Halo unique. Sprint and ironsights will significantly change gameflow. If the sharp decline in Halo 4's MP community is any indication making Halo more like other shooters will hurt it and it won't introduce a new casual playerbase. They'll just play COD and BF.
Why would ADS benefit the e-sports scene? The game would have a far higher skill ceiling without the crutch.
The point is moot, e-sports participation doesn't develop unless the game has popularity. Look at Halo 4, that game was essentially DOA as far as concurrent players and an e-sports scene never developed.
343/Microsoft are just actively targeting the lowest common denominator demographic and ditching the hardcore that left them during Halo 4.
Vincent Alexander
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There's plenty to tell from gameplay that footage can't. Else people would hardly ever bother with demos.
Their guilt has been determined. Tomorrow is merely a sentencing hearing.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
They're showing Halo 5 tomorrow?
I think those are perfect examples of how to improve a good series without hurting what made it special in the first place. A better comparison would be if Nintendo announced that the next Mario would be f2p on mobile just to compete for the younger modern audience.
Compsiox
Banned
I suppose.
If 343 need a beta to find out that Sprint and ADS are bad for Halo then I don't even want to bother focus testing their terrible "Halo" game.
I really wish the Halo franchise would have just ended with Reach, instead of Microsoft keeping it alive and then killing it by turning it into other games.
Gabotron ES
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If this shit is true I'm not fucking getting an X1
The demo starts tomorrow?
too much eslim
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he never gave a %. Also this was debunked some time ago.
You can throw grenades while scoped, you can jump, you lose no movement speed while scoped.
None of that is true about ADS. They are completely different entities.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Yeah, but it was an optional thing and you had to give up another armor ability for it.
I mean, it still fucked up the map design despite that, but it wasn't as bad.
Debunked? By one of their employees?
lol. Shinobi actually has a reputation to uphold.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
If it does. I'm still not entirely convinced you can blame ALL of the Halo 4 population drop on Halo's changes.
It'll be amusing if Halo MCC's population drops like a rock too, might prove that Halo just isn't as big and there are too many games competing for gamers' time.
veloxStrix
Banned
I don't intend too.
jailbird20022
Banned
as much as this displeases me, I'll hold my rage till the beta in December.
till then for everyone's mental health I suggest we take that clip with a brick of salt till more information arises.
mean the OP doesn't even have a source for that clip.
till then for everyone's mental health I suggest we take that clip with a brick of salt till more information arises.
mean the OP doesn't even have a source for that clip.
shinobi602
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Lol, please for the last time I never said you play as Chief for 10% of the game, I don't know how long you play as him. It was just described to me similarly to the ratio you'd find in MGS2 for example.
I won't stoke anything more, I love Halo like many others here. To re-clarify and just finish what I said, this person told me they want to get into the e-sports scene a lot with H5, or that it's a big goal. Small style arenas are a focal point. I asked if ADS was on all guns, replied "pretty much".
I don't know if it's purely cosmetic or what, but I asked just now to further clarify if it's even on things like the plasma rifle/pistol, etc. Said that ADS (again don't know if it's just cosmetic or something) was a big focus in development, now says it may just be limited to a few weapons, but that it'd be a strange thing to focus heavily on if it's limited. Assault rifle does have it though. He also reiterated that all the negative reaction might change things, Microsoft's playing it very safe and there's still 'plenty of time'.
Anyway, I don't like being vague so I hope that helps a little? Probably would have been better to wait until seeing it in action before saying anything.
I won't stoke anything more, I love Halo like many others here. To re-clarify and just finish what I said, this person told me they want to get into the e-sports scene a lot with H5, or that it's a big goal. Small style arenas are a focal point. I asked if ADS was on all guns, replied "pretty much".
I don't know if it's purely cosmetic or what, but I asked just now to further clarify if it's even on things like the plasma rifle/pistol, etc. Said that ADS (again don't know if it's just cosmetic or something) was a big focus in development, now says it may just be limited to a few weapons, but that it'd be a strange thing to focus heavily on if it's limited. Assault rifle does have it though. He also reiterated that all the negative reaction might change things, Microsoft's playing it very safe and there's still 'plenty of time'.
Anyway, I don't like being vague so I hope that helps a little? Probably would have been better to wait until seeing it in action before saying anything.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Um, didn't Frankie flat out say the Locke thing was false the last time that rumor went around, and that Chief levels are indeed the majority of the game?