Wandering Leopard
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I think they took it to heart when the majority criticised how infinite looked when it was first shown, but you have to question whether the graphics or engine were the real issue...
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Xbox announces that future Halo games will be developed on Unreal Engine 5
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Ribi
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no, no it just means their old engine wasn't built with PS5 Pro in mind.
ResilientBanana
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They don't.
proandrad
Member
MGS 5 was called MGS 5 by the creator and that supersedes everything else. And it's not mental gymnastics, you just tried to throw a gotcha and lost. Unless the team creators call the game Halo 6, it is not Halo 6.
Lillie
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yea but they were adament that the 'modern' halo of 5 and infinite were the halo styles they want to go forward with yet the classic halo fans for the most part dislike it (and its track record explains itself)
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FoxMcChief
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Could be that as well. I just want more Halo.
I can't lose both Killzone and Halo. Fuck this industry if both die.
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clarky
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Ok mate. I could name loads of sequels that dont have numbers in them but whatever. You keep waiting for Halo 6.
FoxMcChief
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ResilientBanana
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I'm pretty sure the scope and scale affected the graphics in the long run, not to mention it was still on the blam! engine throughout. One of the biggest criticisms have been the graphics, second to the story. It started out as a showcase for Xbox, and ended up being subpar with each new iteration. Quite frankly. Halo 2 Anniversary is the best Halo has ever looked.
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proandrad
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It was called MGSV.
Venom Snake
clarky
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Microsoft Confirms That Yes, 'Halo: Infinite' Is Actually Just 'Halo 6'
The next Halo game, Halo: Infinite, is a true sequel, not anything too out of the ordinary, it seems.
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"Perhaps to avoid Fallout 76-like confusion about what exactly its upcoming game is, Microsoft is now confirming what many people suspected, but wasn't spelled out because of an odd naming choice: Halo: Infinite is Halo 6."
"It is Halo 6," said 343's Jeff Easterling during a Mixer stream (via GameSpot). "You should just consider it Halo 6. Don't think of it as a weird prequel kind of thing. It's the next story. It's the next chapter in what is going on."
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MH3M3D
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Halo's graphics arent the problem. Its the lack of knowing how to make a fun and unique videogame. Theres nothing to get excited for. If this game wasnt called Halo, it would've done even worse.
GoldenEye98
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Not saying it would be a bad game but there is a risk this would feel too much like Doom imo...
Though maybe the best version of Halo these days would just be Doom's fast floaty movement but with aliens?
Mephisto40
Member
So it's going to run like ass on the Series S then
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
#stutterstruggle
clarky
Gold Member
Where you getting Doom from? A horror flood game could still be slowish, but with no covenant shields or master chief you could lower the TTK, Up the speed a tad, drop the floaty jumps. Free from the shackles of what the community think Halo should be like, they could make something new and fresh, god knows the series needs something at this point. Maybe even make it 3rd person.
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Cyberpunk 2077 downside is the characters felt to shallow, design wise, and disconnected from the world's complex design, we hadn't encountered this issue before.
My point exactly
Actually, the D2 (Tiger) engine is as much of an overhaul to the BLAM engine as Slipspace was.
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Bottom line is: Halo is destined to fail over and over because the current developpers never understood what made it great in the first place. This is why the older games have better player retention even now. And no engine will fix that. Especially not UE.
Just saying, I'm afraid future games issues will be the same as cyberpunk.
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clarky
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I liked Infinite, Another year -18 months in the oven and that game could have been something stellar. I'm positive Staten chucked together what he could in that last year and then tossed it out of the door. The bones where there.My point exactly
Actually, the D2 (Tiger) engine is as much of an overhaul to the BLAM engine as Slipspace was.
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Bottom line is: Halo is destined to fail over and over because the current developpers never understood what made it great in the first place. This is why the older games have better player retention even now. And no engine will fix that. Especially not UE.
Shame really, modern Xbox to a T.
Halo Infinite is fine for solo players who like fairly generic shooters, imo. It's got an incredibly ''safe'' design with practically no sandbox/explosive physics and death barriers everywhere. When I think about Halo 2 and Halo 3 I think ''Fucking around with other people'' - When I think about Halo Infinite nothing more than ''shoot gun'' comes to mind lol. roughly 200 hours on that game made for exactly 0 memorable moments.
My buddy Remy recently made a very good video about this with actual gameplay from me and friends:
clarky
Gold Member
Yeah like i said it needed another 18 months.
Proper set pieces, more biomes(hate that word lol) more stuff to do. Launching without co-op was a travesty also.
I used to watch mints stuff btw, good content.
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diffusionx
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Correct. It's easy to blame the tech but that's the least of the problems with a studio that totally botched this series for a decade.
People vastly overstate the importance of engines. You can't switch engines and people become magically more competent. Switching technology might alleviate issues with the technology but incompetent people will find and make new issues. If MS could deliver a Halo 3 tier experience they would have. I'm actually not sure if anyone could deliver a total package like that these days, any company.
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I was vouching for a delay from the very start so I agree but it took forgers 24 months to get physics on a box so something tells me it was either not in 343i's interest to implement such a thing or they simply couldn't/didn't know how to.
If a different engine could solve that, I'm all for it. But I still fear the fact that they simply have no idea what made the older games so great so it's gonna be another case of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks while pretending the bungie games never existed.
proandrad
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My victory being striped away.Microsoft Confirms That Yes, 'Halo: Infinite' Is Actually Just 'Halo 6'
The next Halo game, Halo: Infinite, is a true sequel, not anything too out of the ordinary, it seems.
"Perhaps to avoid Fallout 76-like confusion about what exactly its upcoming game is, Microsoft is now confirming what many people suspected, but wasn't spelled out because of an odd naming choice: Halo: Infinite is Halo 6."
"It is Halo 6," said 343's Jeff Easterling during a Mixer stream (via GameSpot). "You should just consider it Halo 6. Don't think of it as a weird prequel kind of thing. It's the next story. It's the next chapter in what is going on."
Two thirds of Infinite's campaign was scrapped and the multiplayer side was effectively frozen for over a year while they worked through their tech debt. There were a huge number of features left on the chopping board like other biomes, side quests, a proper home base (UNSC Infinity) and competing factions with networks of bases.
Maybe a game with all these features still wouldn't be "Halo" to you, but it could have been a much better product overall.
clarky
Gold Member
I said it earlier in the thread.
Just make 8-10 great Halo levels.
Tanks, Snow, 3 way battles, grand set pieces, scarabs, beach assaults etc etc. Great AI and Physics. Co-op. Covenant, Monkeys and the Flood.
No need to reinvent the wheel, start with that.
We all know what works except 343i.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Halo 4 and 5 were their attempts to make traditional Halo games. We all know how that went. And I kind of liked Halo 4.
Now maybe they are way better today than they were back then. But at least when they made Halo 4, they had institutional knowledge from Bungie. Even that is gone. So I doubt it.
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clarky
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I hated 4 and 5. Well i liked the multiplayer in 5 (shoot me). I thought ironically Infinite was the best thing they have done, and still fell well short in a number of key areas.
This Pierre dude seems alot more on his game than Bonnie. So im willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. For now.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Taking a wait and see approach personally, wasn't impressed with Infinite and of course Mr Leader himself green lit that infamous initial reveal.
I wonder if third person being added to Infinite will have any influence with future games.
I wonder if third person being added to Infinite will have any influence with future games.
metareferential
Member
Ms management doesn't understand Halo, not one bit.
This is basically more outsourcing.
The good thing is UE5 is going to be infinitely (see that?) better than what they have in-house.
And if they just focus on remaking the Bungie Halos, even better.
God it sucks to be old.
Radical_3d
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The best Halos I've ever played are all 30fps.
clarky
Gold Member
You should try playing them at 60, they are even better.
Klosshufvud
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For the era they were released in, when console fps games were 20-30 fps, they were considered really smooth.
Shin-Ra
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I wouldn't have shown a bunch of dioramas running on undisclosed hardware.
First I'd concentrate on one level, rebuilding enough classic human/alien weapons, vehicles and characters to show we know how to bring the classic 2 and 3-way battle interplay to the new engine, and it looks great playing realtime on Xbox.
What they've shown is an UE5 tech demo without any real constraints.
First I'd concentrate on one level, rebuilding enough classic human/alien weapons, vehicles and characters to show we know how to bring the classic 2 and 3-way battle interplay to the new engine, and it looks great playing realtime on Xbox.
What they've shown is an UE5 tech demo without any real constraints.
Radical_3d
Member
I did. And 4K HDR. They are awesome. But it's not mandatory for a good game neither make for a good game: like in Infinity.
finalflame
Banned
There's a future for Halo?
LordOfChaos
Member
It's crazy that they spent 6 years between games in large part building the Slipstream engine, only to use it for one entry with apparently zero single player DLC (which was promised as a 10 year game at that) and then moving on.
I hope the mismanagement of Halo is over, but it's been abused so long... After dumping the last games lore (again), the end of Infinite was potentially looping into some interesting stuff, I hope they don't just end it in a comic or off screen again and start something new yet again. The Endless seem to be a way to make everything come up Precursor, as it was always meant to.
I hope the mismanagement of Halo is over, but it's been abused so long... After dumping the last games lore (again), the end of Infinite was potentially looping into some interesting stuff, I hope they don't just end it in a comic or off screen again and start something new yet again. The Endless seem to be a way to make everything come up Precursor, as it was always meant to.
Only so long you can polish a turd.
midnightAI
Member
I have a feeling this one is not lost yet (Nixxes remastering Guerilla titles using Decima just feels so right for a remaster/remake to kick start it again)
James Sawyer Ford
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HeisenbergFX4
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Sweet Baby Boone
Melissa Boone at Microsoft Research
Melissa joined Xbox Research in the summer of 2015. After earning her BA in psychology from Spelman College in 2008, Melissa went on to complete her PhD in social psychology and public health from Columbia University. Her research in public health focused on how people's social interactions...www.microsoft.com
As I have mentioned before Xbox promotes and hires (used to at one point anyhow) on a point system and certain sets of people could score points before ever walking into the interview based on race, gender and sexual orientation
Straight white men could not score these points so started at a disadvantage before ever walking into the interview
James Sawyer Ford
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Disgusting practice
Imagine being a white male computer science genius, having to work far more grueling and demanding roles that are integral to the product, only for this abomination to make more than you with a BS in basket weaving and feelings
digoutyoursoul
Member
The fuck are they doing over there? Making video games or playing Scrabble ?
coachmcguirk91
Member
The Xbox gamers are just as much to blame as 343, imo. There would be a massive revolt within the Xbox community if there are big changes to Halo multi-player. The truth is, arena shooters with little variety in gameplay is a dead genre. But Microsoft is scared of fracturing the fanbase by allowing creativity beyond traditional Halo PvPMy point exactly
Actually, the D2 (Tiger) engine is as much of an overhaul to the BLAM engine as Slipspace was.
Source
Bottom line is: Halo is destined to fail over and over because the current developpers never understood what made it great in the first place. This is why the older games have better player retention even now. And no engine will fix that. Especially not UE.
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