That has nothing to do with parity or the topic at hand..
Batman: Arkham Knight Aiming for identical Res/Framerate Across Xbox One and PS4
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That has nothing to do with parity or the topic at hand..
The hardware difference isn't enough for a 30fps disparity (with an untouched across the board parity). That's a bit of reach
.You're probably looking at 15-20fps max.
Edit* Now with some tweaks...you might pull it off. A setting here...a setting there.
Stallion Dan
Member
Hate is an extreme word and has no place in this.
I like the Arkham series so yes I want to play the game, but I dislike the practice of potentially offering a lesser game of some form because they are matching the weakest hardware, so will not support it by buying it new.
Boycotting not really a big deal, is no different to just not buying a game you dislike for whatever reason. The only difference is you might actually want to play it, but I don't buy every game I want to play anyway, some I just have to skip because cash is finite.
This. I can't remember how many times devs would say both versions were identical and then my ps3 version would run considerably worse. Even with games where sony had the marketing deal (AC franchise being one of the worst offenders). They always said it would be the same, always ran worse. Skyrim and both Fallout games, ditto. As a matter of fact I take that back, Bethesda was the biggest offender ever. Those games wouldn't even run past certain number of hours.
There will be differences to find, these guys can't just come out and say: fuck that version, buy this one instead cause it has a whole lot more of X,Y and Z! They need to keep things vague, as in both games provide the same "experience". Same levels, mechanics, enemies, story. The fact that one version may have a choppy fps is not to be discussed prior to release.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
1080p/30fps on both I'm OK with. Parity at 900p...NO.
How is it a lesser game? You realize the actual game, as in gameplay, will be the same, right? So stupid. It's like not watching a film because it isn't filmed entirely in IMAX. Just buy it on a pc.
Melchiah
Member
Good post, and that's the impression I've gotten as well. I don't remember there being such saving attempts when the PS3 was doing badly during its first years. Now some in the industry are seemingly doing favors just to keep them afloat, instead of leaving the task to MS itself.
lonedigitalwolf
Banned
With the history of shady things they've tried doing/done?, i wouldn't doubt if Satan himself was running that company!!! :O
I remember it from some benchmarks done in pc environment where they chose similar capable cards and tested games like bf4 and the like. Most of the time there were differences in that range, all else being equal, of course. It's not an ideal comparison, but if the x1 can run a game 30 locked, it's to be expected that the ps4 could run it better. Not 60fps better, but maybe a middle ground (which is useless cause of tv refresh rates, so better to lock it down and have it steady).
900P, 900P everywhere.
Seriously, I bet the PS4 version will also be 900P. If there is a Microsoft Arkham Knight bundle. Then it will most likely be 900P for PS4 also.
So now we have 1 console literally crippling the other. So whether the PS4 is more powerful now. It has to have the same graphics etc. than the inferior machine. So a more powerful console doesn't mean anything anymore then.
So MS is basically saying. If our console isn't as powerful as the competition and we can't get up there. Then step them down to our level.
Seriously, I bet the PS4 version will also be 900P. If there is a Microsoft Arkham Knight bundle. Then it will most likely be 900P for PS4 also.
So now we have 1 console literally crippling the other. So whether the PS4 is more powerful now. It has to have the same graphics etc. than the inferior machine. So a more powerful console doesn't mean anything anymore then.
So MS is basically saying. If our console isn't as powerful as the competition and we can't get up there. Then step them down to our level.
Exactly this. Even though the PS4 more powerful, the architecture isn't different enough for force devs have 2 fundamentally separate development cycles. They aren't scratching their heads saying "Cell wtf?" Last gen it was to the point where some multiplats had completely different AIs on ps3 and xbox360 due to the hardware difference.
So here we are in 2014. Sony makes a more powerful system, and the devs say... meh. The publishers say meh. The more similar the architecture is, the more likely you are to experience the parity syndrome.
Isn't ROP's related to resolution? I remember DF saying 32 was overkill for 1080p. So the PS4 should easily be able to run and higher resolutions than XB1.
Somebody correct me if i'im wrong.
If you can actually prove to me, one piece of evidence where MS clearly FORCED a dev to GIMP a game (reduce its resolution) then I'll agree with you.
What the hell is that last point...
I really don't get it.
A bigger hardware power difference than last generation between 360 and PS3 and some devs are aiming for parity.
I'm not normally the one to lose my shit and yell "conspiracy" but something definitely smells fishy this generation with that ^^^ much of a power gap starting with arguably one of the biggest and most hyped games of the generation so far, Destiny.
Assassins Creed Unity i couldn't give two shits about. For one, the series is tired and Ubisoft's stunt they pulled with Watch Dogs leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Parity is utter nonsense. People don't buy sports cars to drive them at 50mph.
This is like going to a dealer and having the salesman fit minivan wheels to your Jaguar.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...se-exists-so-xbox-one-owners-feel-first-class
Not hard to imagine actually.........
Byron Bluth
Banned
Ugh.
I hope this just means they are trying to get the Xbox One version to the PS4 level.
I hope this just means they are trying to get the Xbox One version to the PS4 level.
Pathfinder
Member
That has absolutely nothing to do with resolution or performance. Absolutely nothing.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
so same graphics, 900p xb1, 1080p ps4?
dark_inferno
Member
I hope nobody of you supports this with buying the PS4 version Day 1.
Just wait until its cheaper or until they fix this.
Just wait until its cheaper or until they fix this.
It's in ninjablade's neogaf contract to troll Nintendo in every thread possible, including completely unrelated ones.
ikariX said:
Citation for this statement, please?
Nice job reading mate... I said gimping the PS4 version, you clearly did not read the article and thats what I find so funny. Not the same parity
"The parity clause is designed so that indie games do not appear on a different platform first before Xbox One."
How does that make any sense when PS4 is around 68% of the current market and that situation will likely happen regardless?
wumster3000
Member
A lot of people aren't buying it and that's alright. If they want to stand up for something they believe in and others don't, so be it. I for one have done this in the past but I'm not going to worry about it anymore as I feel that this will continue to happen. PC or bust for all multi-platform games this gen.
FranXico
Member
Nothing, except the openly displayed principle of not hesitating to screwing up consumers who didn't buy their product, just to please their loyal fanboys. That's what the statement sounds like to me, and I think that's what he meant by "not hard to imagine".
cripterion
Member
Generation Parity.
Nvidia was right, the golden age of consoles is over.
Yeah sure, cause back in the 16bit era, everyone was counting whether Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat had more pixels on Sega or Nintendo...
It's sufficient cause to establish intent and suspicion of precedent. Especially given the adamant statement of "unacceptable."
As I stated multiple times I never claimed that the conclusion was a certainty but that it was a reasonable conclusion and followed a logical progression. Whether or not you care to admit Fact + Fact does lead to a logical conclusion. Nowhere did I state that logical conclusions are facts themselves just that they are indeed logical. As such, regardless of the absolute certainty of a logical conclusion, which again is was by no means stated or assumed, because it is grounded in fact, it is, in fact, the exact opposite of "idiotic," "lame," "moronic," or "baseless." The application of chaos theory or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle is completely inapplicable. You have repeatedly demeaned other posters and asserted that their logical conclusion was the sole product of fanaticism or idiocy. That is, in my opinion, unacceptable. So I sought to inform you of the aforementioned fallacy: mislabeling and attributing fact and certainty where there is none.
Wait what? The parity clause mentioned in the article is "The parity clause is designed so that indie games do not appear on a different platform first before Xbox One."
What does "screwing up consumers who didn't buy their product" have to do? I do not see how you managed to link one to the other.
If you can't see the parity (get it?) between MS punishing indie developers for any non-favorable release dates, then of course buying Tomb raider exclusivity, messing with diablo 3 development, and whatever else... well I don't know what to say.
I am not claiming it is fact, but I am saying you can't dismiss all of this either. Something fishy is going on.
binaryrevolt
Member
If this is indeed true then it joins Unity on my no-buy list.
Oh well... There are plenty of other games to fill my time.
Oh well... There are plenty of other games to fill my time.
Well duh. Point is they want parity on their platform as to not make them look bad.
That's why i said "It's not hard to imagine." Since they're doing that with indie games.
Zombie James
Banned
I was a kid back then and stuff like this came up all the time. Not really about resolution since everyone was playing on a shitty CRT, but definitely colour and sound differences.
Pathfinder
Member
Still, I fail to see how wanting release parity for indie games is screwing anyone. They're clearly not wanting to make the games any worse, so I can't logically draw any correlations.
Moon_frogger
Member
Guys, rocksteady is an amazing developer please do not start with the 'lazy dev' stuff with this. They are not lazy they are a very hard working developer and this game is going to look and play great.
Nice job reading mate... I said gimping the PS4 version, you clearly did not read the article and thats what I find so funny. Not the same parity
"The parity clause is designed so that indie games do not appear on a different platform first before Xbox One."
Nice job reading mate. See my post above.
You tried.
dark_inferno
Member
If they are not lazy than they are bought. Simple as that.
Journey
Banned
gioGAF
Member
This. Fuck parity! I like how the PC guys say that console parity is irrelevant, but get all butthurt if PC parity with consoles is even hinted at. It is the SAME damn thing, developers catering to the lowest common "console" denominator is JUST as stupid as a developer saying that the PC version will maintain parity with the console versions.
There is ZERO reason for the PS4 and Xbone versions to be identical. One system is CLEARLY more powerful than the other. The fact that we keep getting games that run almost the same or that have framerate issues on the PS4 is ridiculous. Seems like many developers are focusing very much on parity and/or spending a great deal of time optimizing the xbone version.
If parity is even hinted at by a developer or if it is evident with their final product, I will either:
a) if I had slight interest in their game I will not buy it at all
b) if I had great interest in their game I will buy it used or borrow it from a friend
Ravensmash
Member
Why?
I want Batman games.
Why do people act so surprised about this? It's not a smart business move to come out and admit one version of your upcoming product is inferior to the other.
I guess his logic is they'll gain more XB1 sales than they'll lose PS4 sales?
Zombie James
Banned
They shouldn't be striving for mediocrity by aiming for parity, then.
I want to reemphasize this part of the statement:
We don't know yet," a Rocksteady developer said. "We're about six months away from going gold. So we don't know what the resolution and the frame rate's going to be yet. That's something that happens during the optimization phase of the game.
It sounds like there are a lot of technical details still up in the air and the phrasing is reminiscent of CDPR and Sledgehammer talking about how their games will have the same settings between consoles but also having resolution differences.
We don't know yet," a Rocksteady developer said. "We're about six months away from going gold. So we don't know what the resolution and the frame rate's going to be yet. That's something that happens during the optimization phase of the game.
It sounds like there are a lot of technical details still up in the air and the phrasing is reminiscent of CDPR and Sledgehammer talking about how their games will have the same settings between consoles but also having resolution differences.
Amazing how much of a shitstorm this started. I was watching the stream and Gaz (Rocksteady marketing guy) simply gave a casual PR response to the question. I honestly didn't expect any news outlet to report on it since it was a spur of the moment answer and we're still a long ways out till release..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2jO1BQimA 0:40 for those interested
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2jO1BQimA 0:40 for those interested
I feel like I got sent to the corner to stand and stare with my hands up every time you mention ""idiotic," "lame," "moronic," or "baseless."". Am I not allowed to use those words or something hahaha? You've probably said it every time you've quoted me
You keep arguing as if you are on some sort of high horse with the way you write. Continuously trying to seem like your above me. But I'm not going to argue the way you write here.
I don't see how chaos theory doesn't apply here, you've got a bunch of facts, you've set the stage and you think it will land there. But it doesn't. Seems perfectly valid. Also if it is "fanaticism" if you have no evidence to back up your claims, that is after all what any respectable scientist does after he makes a claim/hypotheses and tries to assert it as a fact. But then you say you do not claim that your conclusion is certain, so why do you continuously claim that me pointing out other peoples "baseless" facts as incorrect, when it is in fact baseless, with zero evidence to back it up.
Just the developers. But that's a conversation for a different thread, not this one.
Where did I talk about Diablo 3?
Those games are relative to PS4 & Xbox One, who said anything about Wii U.
Are you implying that I somehow linked those games to Wii U, because that's ridiculous?
Frankly, your're tone is completely passive aggressive when something that doesn't fit your preconceived narrative is mentioned.
I know you don't want to believe it, but Wii U is counted amongst PS4 & Xbox One in this generation - you can disregard the console's power, but it is still in this generation.
So, as I previously stated, the position of Xbox One is currently third place (that will most likely change after the Holidays). There is nothing underhanded going on here. It is in third place behind PS4 and Wii U - that is a FACT.
That is my whole argument - how can a console in third place have so much clout relative to the market leader?
And stop accusing me of throwing a jab at Xbox One. I do not appreciate illogical posters such as yourself creating false realities, bending what I have said to suit their own argument and adding 2+2 and getting 5.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Sony has a marketing deal for Arkham Knight...which makes the parity talk even more confusing.