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[Zeyphersan]

I sort of love these threads, because when people start throwing around conspiracy theories, it's like the knowledge of all the games that DON'T run the same on XB1 and PS4 leaves their brain. Suddenly we're living in a dystopian hellscape where games run the same on both platforms, every game always. There are no exceptions. Every old game is getting patched on PS4 to be downgraded, every new game announced is guaranteed to not run better than any other version. Microsoft is using all their money to pay developers for some reason

Microsoft has always demanded parity
We have always been at war with Eastasia

 

[dark_inferno]

Why?

I want Batman games.

Why do people act so surprised about this? It's not a smart business move to come out and admit one version of your upcoming product is inferior to the other.

This should not be accepted. Parity is something that didnt exist last gen. It was always: "Yeah we make the game look better on Xbox because its the more powerful console."

Now its the other way around and they are like "Parity is the best."

What? Why?

 

[Petrae]

Yeah sure, cause back in the 16bit era, everyone was counting whether Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat had more pixels on Sega or Nintendo...

It was about differences in frame rate, color, and sound back in those days. For example, SNES sports games from EA were poor performers, compared to their Genesis counterparts; frame rate was almost always worse, which made games like Madden and NHL on SNES feel second-rate. Many STGs also performed worse on the SNES.

 

[LowSignal]

the overreaction here is comedic, just wait and see. Too many threads are people upset because a DEV says something that isn't worded exactly how some fans want and it's just a bunch of nonsense posts about how the world is over and boycotts.

 

[cripterion]

I was a kid back then and stuff like this came up all the time. Not really about resolution since everyone was playing on a shitty CRT, but definitely colour and sound differences.

Yeah from what I remember consoles wars were not about resolution. I remember being upset that Mortal Kombat didn't have blood on Snes like on mega drive and my friend used to tease me about it. I also remember Nintendo and Sega going back and forth with advertising.
I'm not saying there weren't console wars but stuff was pretty different from today, reading the comments here make me feel old and feeling like some people should find a new hobby if they can't enjoy a game anymore just because they dislike the PR statements.

 

[JayEH]

If the Halo 5 thread taught us anything, we should wait before calling foul.

 

[Wollveren]

Nice job reading mate. See my post above.

You tried.

So later on you had to reclassify your statement. So why did you specifically reply to me, when I clearly requested for someone to provide evidence of MS paying devs to gimp the PS4 version.

It's like I asked for mountain dew, and you come along and give me fanta sayings its "similar".

 

[Radec]

Still, I fail to see how wanting release parity for indie games is screwing anyone. They're clearly not wanting to make the games any worse, so I can't logically draw any correlations.

Read up:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=909272

 

[StrongBlackVine]

If the Halo 5 thread taught us anything, we should wait before calling foul.

Better to put the heat on Rocksteady now while they still have plenty of time to reevaluate any nefarious actions they are planning.

 

[Sirim]

Just buy used mate. Easy solution. You get to play their games and they don't get any of your money.

Dude. You might have just saved this generation for me.

I thank you.

 

[Astral Dog]

When is this nightmare going to end !?

 

[Principate]

This should not be accepted. Parity is something that didnt exist last gen. It was always: "Yeah we make the game look better on Xbox because its the more powerful console."

Now its the other way around and they are like "Parity is the best."

What? Why?

I call bullshit on this one, devs tried to achieve parity as became more of a norm during the end of the generation but the PS3 was too difficult to work for to achieve it for a lot of it., The mere fact devs put in so much effort into PS3 versions of games is a testament to it.

 

[Raven Prime]

So if it is the case, that Microsoft is somehow incentivizing devs to ensure parity between the PS4 and the XB1. Is there anything that Sony can do? Perhaps even undertake legal action? I mean it's not the first time that Microsoft has been accused of unfair business practices. They have come under fire many times by now for their monopolist tendencies. Now that they are losing the current generation, it seems they are thinking up strategies that aren't in the best interest of the industry or gamers in general.

As for what we as gamers can do, perhaps it's time for a #ParityNoBuy/#PS4NoParity campaign. The least what we can do is buy these games second hand or not buy them at all.

 

[BrainZEROX]

If the Halo 5 thread taught us anything, we should wait before calling foul.

Oh absolutely but we should also make it clear what's acceptable and what is not at a moment things can still change for the better. This outcry could make them clarify what they meant with parity, just like what happened with ADS in Halo 5.

 

[bananafactory]

When is this nightmare going to end !?

End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Parity is just another path, one that we all must take.

 

[Arxisz]

You've got to be fucking kidding me...

 

[Toparaman]

I'm not exactly outraged, but I'm really starting to lean towards buying a PC instead of a PS4.

 

[Pathfinder]

So if it is the case, that Microsoft is somehow incentivizing devs to ensure parity between the PS4 and the XB1. Is there anything that Sony can do? Perhaps even undertake legal action? I mean it's not the first time that Microsoft has been accused of unfair business practices. They have come under fire many times by now for their monopolist tendencies. Now that they are losing the current generation, it seems they are thinking up strategies that aren't in the best interest of the industry or gamers in general.

I think one would need proof first. Conjecture is not quite enough.

 

[Skux]

Why was there no parity last gen?

I liked it better that way. Devs would make everything look as good as it could on a console, and it was up to the discerning consumer to decide whether the differences in visuals mattered enough for them to get a game on a particular console, PC, or skip it entirely.

All these "parity" statements just sound like "we know best, shut up and preorder".

 

[The Lamonster]

Are we expecting parity for the new GTA V?

 

[ferrasvansen]

I will end up avoiding this just like AC Unity, there are so many games due early next year I haven't time to play them all and given the parity nonsense this one will be omitted. Means I won't have another huge log jam of games like I have coming up this next week or so. I'm not overly bothered there are plenty of other good studios who will push the ps4 a lot more so it's no great loss.

 

[Putty]

End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Parity is just another path, one that we all must take.

#dead

 

[Raven Prime]

I think one would need proof first. Conjecture is not quite enough.

Indeed, but mysteriously a lot of high profile games are aiming for parity even when the PS4 has the greater marketshare at the moment. So why are all the devs becoming 'lazy' all of the sudden, or why have they all developed 'egalitarian' ideals out of the blue?

 

[Canucked]

I don't know if this can be answered but do we know what resolution and frame rate the batman gameplay trailer from E3 was at? Where he glided through the city then they showed the bat tank thing.

It's not gonna look that good... Is it

 

[cripterion]

I will end up avoiding this just like AC Unity, Destiny and GTA V, there are so many games due early next year I haven't time to play them all and given the parity nonsense this one will be omitted. Means I won't have another huge log jam of games like I have coming up this next week or so. I'm not overly bothered there are plenty of other good studios who will push the ps4 a lot more so it's no great loss.

Corrected that for you.

Damn be that parity right? ^^

 

[Raven Prime]

I don't know if this can be answered but do we know what resolution and frame rate the batman gameplay trailer from E3 was at? Where he glided through the city then they showed the bat tank thing.

It's not gonna look that good... Is it

They confirmed that to be PC footage.

 

[On Demand]

So later on you had to reclassify your statement. So why did you specifically reply to me, when I clearly requested for someone to provide evidence of MS paying devs to gimp the PS4 version.

It's like I asked for mountain dew, and you come along and give me fanta sayings its "similar".

I didn't reclassify anything. You just failed to see my point. No, there's isn't any proof that MS tells developers to downgrade PS4 versions of multiplatforms games. But there is proof that they want some type of parity on their console. Straight from their own mouth. So, "it's not hard to imagine" peformance is another type of parity that they would push.

 

[RexNovis]

At no point did I insult other posters.

"Idiotic" "lame" "moronic" time and time again you label the statements of is those who disagree with you with offensive and inaccurate terms. This is insulting. In typing these words and implying with absolute authority that you are correct in using them you are insulting others. It is demeaning and serves no purpose other than to put down the person you are responding to when you provide no corroborating evidence.

Furthermore you, on multiple occasions, proclaim others are posting with an agenda but it is you who have posted most vehemently and most often in this thread

Doth protest too much indeed.

Edit: and he's banned so nvm

 

[ninjablade]

That has nothing to do with parity or the topic at hand..

developers stating how a game will run better or have better graphics only for it to be false, in fact even run worse has nothing to do with the topic? fact is most games haven't had parity, i'm gonna take it as false PR just to please Microsoft, just like there was false PR to please Nintendo.

 

[The Lamonster]

Corrected that for you.

Damn be that parity right? ^^

I don't know, man. While Destiny looks the same on X1, it's a lot buggier.

but I don't know if bugs apply to a conversation about graphical quality.

 

[RoboPlato]

I don't know if this can be answered but do we know what resolution and frame rate the batman gameplay trailer from E3 was at? Where he glided through the city then they showed the bat tank thing.

It's not gonna look that good... Is it

That was PC footage. We'll hopefully get the first look at PS4 footage at PSX

 

[Principate]

I don't know if this can be answered but do we know what resolution and frame rate the batman gameplay trailer from E3 was at? Where he glided through the city then they showed the bat tank thing.

It's not gonna look that good... Is it

That was pc bro. But I imagine it'll get close long development time between that and release, it would take some Ubisoft level lying for it not to be the case.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Corrected that for you.

Damn be that parity right? ^^

Yeah but at least Destiny and GTA 5 were partially limited by the cross gen factor, something this game and Unity don't have as an excuse.

 

[Pathfinder]

Indeed, but mysteriously a lot of high profile games are aiming for parity even when the PS4 has the greater marketshare at the moment. So why are all the devs becoming 'lazy' all of the sudden, or why have they all developed 'egalitarian' ideals out of the blue?

This is indeed true, and is a rather curious development this gen.

However, I truly think it has more to do with keeping development costs and time to a minimum, rather than portray the actions of an evil corporation who is bent on shelling out endless amounts of money to purposely gimp video games in a futile attempt to hide the fact that they have the lesser console this generation.

 

[SRTtoZ]

I'm not worried since this can mean anything. It can mean that they will try their best to make the XB1 version look as good as the PS4 version without gimping anything. Again, they didnt say they are locking them at the same specs or anything. I have faith in Rocksteady.

 

[daftstar]

I will end up avoiding this just like AC Unity, there are so many games due early next year I haven't time to play them all and given the parity nonsense this one will be omitted. Means I won't have another huge log jam of games like I have coming up this next week or so. I'm not overly bothered there are plenty of other good studios who will push the ps4 a lot more so it's no great loss.

C'mon this is ridiculous. Are there people who're actually gonna skip such an anticipated title that's guaranteed to deliver because of a tentative statement? I understand you might be "voting with your wallet" by not advocated this parity business but we already get so few quality games nowadays.

Now I'm a huge fan of Rocksteady so I will sound biased but it'll be a shame to not support them after how much care they've given the franchise.

 

[RedAssedApe]

you'd think devs would be better about wording things so as not to upset ppl by now

 

[ninjablade]

Indeed, but mysteriously a lot of high profile games are aiming for parity even when the PS4 has the greater marketshare at the moment. So why are all the devs becoming 'lazy' all of the sudden, or why have they all developed 'egalitarian' ideals out of the blue?

can you please name these games ,cross gen games shouldn't count, as they are limited to what they can with them.

 

[Raven Prime]

This is indeed true, and is a rather curious development this gen.

However, I truly think it has more to do with keeping development cost and time to a minimum, rather than portray the actions of an evil corporation who is bent on shelling out endless amounts of money to purposely gimp video games in a futile attempt to hide the fact that they have the lesser console this generation.

Well it has been emphasized by both companies multiple times by now, that it's a marathon and not a sprint. I'm not so sure if it's futile as you say, when gamers perception is that games are the same on both consoles. I'm pretty sure that Microsoft is aware that last gen most multiplat sales went to their platform, because they had the reputation for running them the best. So I take it you can see, why creating the illusion of equal performance would be advantageous for them.

 

[cripterion]

I don't know, man. While Destiny looks the same on X1, it's a lot buggier.

but I don't know if bugs apply to a conversation about graphical quality.

Well that's the thing, the term parity is thrown around but none of the game's versions are truly exactly the same. Don't know why some PS4 owners are so bitter like that.
The PS4 is still a good console, enjoy it without worrying what a dev can do or not based on the competing console.

 

[Raven Prime]

can you please name these games ,cross gen games shouldn't count, as they are limited to what they can with them.

AC:Unity and B:AK are the ones that come directly to mind.

 

[ferrasvansen]

C'mon this is ridiculous. Are there people who're actually gonna skip such an anticipated title that's guaranteed to deliver because of a tentative statement? I understand you might be "voting with your wallet" by not advocated this parity business but we already get so few quality games nowadays.

Now I'm a huge fan of Rocksteady so I will sound biased but it'll be a shame to not support them after how much care they've given the franchise.

I haven't made any decision as of yet, I'm merely stating that if the game is gimped cause of so called parity it will fall down my list of games, I can only afford a game or two a month cause of family commitments so I have to be very careful what I choose.

 

[Xtra]

This is indeed true, and is a rather curious development this gen.

However, I truly think it has more to do with keeping development cost and time to a minimum, rather than portray the actions of an evil corporation who is bent on shelling out endless amounts of money to purposely gimp video games in a futile attempt to hide the fact that they have the lesser console this generation.

That would be a reasonable assumption if it weren't for Microsoft's actions thus far this generation.

To recount:
Anti-consumer XBone designs (pulled a 180 before release)
Anti-competitive (borderline illegal) indie developer policies
Out-right purchasing exclusivity (Tomb Raider)
Meddling in high profile game development (Diablo 3)

From a company that has repeatedly been convicted of anti-consumer and anti-competitive practices.

Listen, if it were any other company they might enjoy the benefit of the doubt a bit more, but Microsoft is a habitual monopolistic company. They have spent three decades establishing a behavioral pattern, and yet you believe that this is outlandish?

I am not saying that they are paying everyone off, that seems a bit far fetched.

Leveraging their position with third parties to actively hurt competition though? That is par for the course in MS-land. To say otherwise is to be dishonest.

 

[Pathfinder]

Well it has been emphasized by both companies multiple times by now, that it's a marathon and not a sprint. I'm not so sure if it's futile as you say, when gamers perception is that games are the same on both consoles. I'm pretty sure that Microsoft is aware that last gen most multiplat sales went to their platform, because they had the reputation for running them the best. So I take it you can see, why creating the illusion of equal performance would be advantageous for them.

That is a fair and rather interesting point as well, though still teeters in the range of conspiracy theory for me.

However, if that theory is true then all we need is one smoking gun, one developer who opens his or her mouth and says something they shouldn't that could bring this whole thing tumbling down.

Wouldn't that be interesting.

 

[ninjablade]

AC:Unity and B:AK are the ones that come directly to mind.

no fucking way AC:U on XB1 is gonna run as well as it does on ps4, it's already has problems running on powerful PC, the ps4 will have a nice advantage in framerate, just wait for the DF article, don't believe anything Ubi tells you as they have been caught in many lies.

 

[Raven Prime]

That would be a reasonable assumption if it weren't for Microsoft's actions thus far this generation.

To recount:
Anti-consumer XBone designs (pulled a 180 before release)
Anti-competitive (borderline illegal) indie developer policies
Out-right purchasing exclusivity (Tomb Raider)
Meddling in high profile game development (Diablo 3)

From a company that has repeatedly been convicted of anti-consumer and anti-competitive practices.

Listen, if it were any other company they might enjoy the benefit of the doubt a bit more, but Microsoft is a habitual monopolistic company. They have spent three decades establishing a behavioral pattern, and yet you believe that this is outlandish?

I am not saying that they are paying everyone off, that seems a bit far fetched.

Leveraging their position with third parties to actively hurt competition though? That is par for the course in MS-land. To say otherwise is to be dishonest.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Windom Earle]

Are we expecting parity for the new GTA V?

I'd be very surprised if there are no advantages to the PS4 version.

 

[cripterion]

Yeah but at least Destiny and GTA 5 were partially limited by the cross gen factor, something this game and Unity don't have as an excuse.

Ahh that same old cross gen factor. How does that work for Dragon Age Inquisition or say MGS Ground Zeroes/ V? Every game built for the PS4 and not on old gen should be 1080/60fps then if I hear you correctly?

As I said, maybe the PR statements are bothering some of you but stop acting like these devs are paid to diminish The PS4 version or that they are lazy devs cause they can't bring your dear PS4 version with 40% more awesomeness than the Xbox version.

PS : also I very much doubt GTA V will be limited to 30 fps on pc cause of cross gen factor

 

[Pathfinder]

That would be a reasonable assumption if it weren't for Microsoft's actions thus far this generation.

To recount:
Anti-consumer XBone designs (pulled a 180 before release)
Anti-competitive (borderline illegal) indie developer policies
Out-right purchasing exclusivity (Tomb Raider)
Meddling in high profile game development (Diablo 3)

From a company that has repeatedly been convicted of anti-consumer and anti-competitive practices.

Listen, if it were any other company they might enjoy the benefit of the doubt a bit more, but Microsoft is a habitual monopolistic company. They have spent three decades establishing a behavioral pattern, and yet you believe that this is outlandish?

I am not saying that they are paying everyone off, that seems a bit far fetched.

Leveraging their position with third parties to actively hurt competition though? That is par for the course in MS-land. To say otherwise is to be dishonest.

I fully understand where you're coming from, I really do. And I understand how people can come to these kinds of conclusions based on how they feel about Microsoft's business practices up to this point.

All I'm saying is I'm the kind of person who needs concrete proof of something before I believe in it. I've always been that way.

 

[Carib2g]

As long as it's 1080p, I'm cool!

If it's some 900p bullshit, I will be canceling my collector's edition (just like I did with AC: Unity)...