MikeBreezy92
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Soul Edge came out first by a year. Soul Edge in '95. Last Bronx in '96
Fighting Games Weekly | Nov 10-16 | Frauds Among Us
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Soul Edge came out first by a year. Soul Edge in '95. Last Bronx in '96
I don't exactly get the worm setup. What is it exactly doing? Or is it just that gimmicky (-looking?) frame trap at the end?
Blackule, this one is for you
http://shoryuken.com/2014/11/11/baf...immy-like-a-champ-in-ultra-street-fighter-iv/
http://shoryuken.com/2014/11/11/baf...immy-like-a-champ-in-ultra-street-fighter-iv/
but he plays Rose
irfaanator
Banned
I keep on getting watts and wizard confused
Holy shit, Catalina is from Brazil!!
Thomasorus
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Interesting talk you got there about visuals of Tekken. I would not be surprised if Tekken 7 was not good in video. Look at Xrd, everyone is saying you have to see the game for real to see how good it looks. I would not be surprised if Tekken 7 was the same kind of beast.
And since we're talking about future games, I heard a few things about Capcom and Street Fighter 5. Please note that many things can change. Remember that between the announcement of SF4 and the final game, a lot has changed. So all things listed below have to be taken with precaution. Ok with that? So :
- A new Capcom fighting game is developed only for PS4.
- There is very little chance that Capcom is developing another fighter than Street Fighter 5 (yes, Darkstalkers is dead).
- The game will be out on console(s?) first and may have an arcade port later and not the other way.
- Based on the current advancement of the game, it might not be out until 2016.
- Both SF4 characters will come back, as well as new characters (wow such info).
- New engine for the game, an internal one from Capcom but not sure if it's the Deep Down one. Goal is to have more effects like the SF4 announcement trailer.
- The game is developed taking DLC into account so the dev team can add content in-game without having to patch the whole game like it was done in SF4. There will be a lot of DLC from what I understood but...
- The dev team and the marketing team does not have the same point of view about the game and DLC characters/expansion. From what I understood, the Dev team wants to prepare the whole cast before releasing an expansion so it can be balanced taking all characters into account. The marketing team wants a "build your own Street Fighter" experience where you buy what you want instead of buying a pack of characters. What that could mean is they want to put a character on sale once it's finished instead of waiting for all of them and sell a pack. That's basically a philosophy choice many fighting game devs have so no big deal.
- They made a lot of iterations about the gameplay. Parry was tested, focus was tested and finally they went for something new as they want a proper mechanic to give this game his own personality. What they choose is not explained but it's something mixing a defence system and a system that "permits the gameplay to evolve". Very vague.
Not the same subject but I heard that Capcom and SNK are still in an "open conversation" about an hypothetical Capcom vs SNK 3. All it takes is finding an agreement about money and that's the reason there is no progress.
And since we're talking about future games, I heard a few things about Capcom and Street Fighter 5. Please note that many things can change. Remember that between the announcement of SF4 and the final game, a lot has changed. So all things listed below have to be taken with precaution. Ok with that? So :
- A new Capcom fighting game is developed only for PS4.
- There is very little chance that Capcom is developing another fighter than Street Fighter 5 (yes, Darkstalkers is dead).
- The game will be out on console(s?) first and may have an arcade port later and not the other way.
- Based on the current advancement of the game, it might not be out until 2016.
- Both SF4 characters will come back, as well as new characters (wow such info).
- New engine for the game, an internal one from Capcom but not sure if it's the Deep Down one. Goal is to have more effects like the SF4 announcement trailer.
- The game is developed taking DLC into account so the dev team can add content in-game without having to patch the whole game like it was done in SF4. There will be a lot of DLC from what I understood but...
- The dev team and the marketing team does not have the same point of view about the game and DLC characters/expansion. From what I understood, the Dev team wants to prepare the whole cast before releasing an expansion so it can be balanced taking all characters into account. The marketing team wants a "build your own Street Fighter" experience where you buy what you want instead of buying a pack of characters. What that could mean is they want to put a character on sale once it's finished instead of waiting for all of them and sell a pack. That's basically a philosophy choice many fighting game devs have so no big deal.
- They made a lot of iterations about the gameplay. Parry was tested, focus was tested and finally they went for something new as they want a proper mechanic to give this game his own personality. What they choose is not explained but it's something mixing a defence system and a system that "permits the gameplay to evolve". Very vague.
Not the same subject but I heard that Capcom and SNK are still in an "open conversation" about an hypothetical Capcom vs SNK 3. All it takes is finding an agreement about money and that's the reason there is no progress.
CountBlack
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Master Milk
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my copy of dengeki shipped
can't wait to waifu it up . . . in decemeber
can't wait to waifu it up . . . in decemeber
Even if they go exclusive, it wont be for the whole SF5 series, that's way too much lost sales. On the other hand, if they go exclusive for the first iteration only, SSF5 on X1 will probably make up for most of the lost sales from the first game being exclusive. And then there's the inevitable PC version, I really don't see them going full exclusivity.
Have you seen some of the UMK3 community? They play on keyboard and it's insane what they can do. It's basically a precursor to the hitbox (I saw it at ECT2 and nothing like a Hitbox existed yet).
There may be an option to keep the JP VA (SF4 does it, if they do it, I can't imagine any other developer wouldn't do it)
Which stream are you referring to, the Evo stream, or the capcom cup stream?
I don't play the game, but as an observer, the previous video was more interesting to me with that pressure.
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So, I was going to get into the whole eSports thing, but realized it was a vortex, and didn't want to get taken to Oz just yet.
It's better to respond to vortexes in the moment. Otherwise, it just seems silly.
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Different topic that I could use some help from you guys with:
Are you willing to use social media accounts to login to sites?
If so, which ones are you typically willing to use, and what information are you willing to share (different social media sites share different levels of information).
If not, what are your concerns, and what can be done to alleviate those concerns?
Thanks in advance for any help/responses.
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Retro_
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Im more concerned about the game using the same input system as 4 and having characters like Rufus and Viper return than I am about any platform exclusivity.
In fact I'd welcome it if it unified the playerbase like Xrd. It'd be cool if it worked with Steam like Portal 2 as well. Pc, ps4 and ps3 users all being able to play each other would be ideal
In fact I'd welcome it if it unified the playerbase like Xrd. It'd be cool if it worked with Steam like Portal 2 as well. Pc, ps4 and ps3 users all being able to play each other would be ideal
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Why do we care about sales so much exactly?
I can imagine ASW wanting to sell the Japanese VA as DLC.
Wondering this myself.
edit: found it http://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/2m1wu2/level_up_and_super_arcade_moving_forward/cm07adx
Valkerionseven
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My money is on we simply do not have all/enough info. If it is SF5, I would not be surprised if the details so far simply mean PS4 as the main development platform, or at worst PS4 Japan only, then multiplatform internationally. Unless its a new IP and Sony is paying for it to hard counter Killer Instinct... which I can't imagine why they would want much less need to.
I wonder how Capcom is planning to announce it. Ono is going to the PS4 event and they are teasing the hell out of Capcom Cup announcment. I guess they could use the PS4 event as a teaser and Capcom Cup for a full trailer.
I know Ono said he probably has nothing to show until next year so it's possible things got pushed up to start the hype.
I know Ono said he probably has nothing to show until next year so it's possible things got pushed up to start the hype.
Some companies are doing that in Japan. Destiny and the new Batman game is PS4 only in Japan.
Thanks for the info man, really good stuff.
A PS4 exclusive SF5 wouldn't surprise me since the console is outselling the X1 by a mile and is relevant worldwide. X1 is mostly relevant in just the US.
As for CVS3, I think SNK might want to get a few more successes like KOFXIII under their belt to get better leverage at the discussion table. So here's hoping the new KOF and SamSho do well.
Yes, I will use Twitter to sign in if it's an option. A few things about that:
- Regardless of what else you do, if you use twitter, turn on two factor authentication. It's just too easy to find someone in control of your account.
- Twitter doesn't share your password with any site they authenticate to, so you're covered there. (but see prior point)
- Always watch what permissions you are granting the site and make sure you're okay with that - especially "make tweets on your behalf"
atomic moth
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Atomic moth said:
Don't worry. Wonkey took screenshots of the trailer and translated a few names. Lei was one of them.
Tekken looks stale to the common folk because the common folk have no interest in learning how to play the game or playing against other people, or they're disappointed that they didn't reinvent the wheel with Tekken 7 which is why they're overcritical about how it looks in its unfinished state.
Maybe the wow factor would be there if there was a radical change in art direction or character design or a longer duration between TTT2 and T7, but the game looks good to me, and it will look even better once the gameplay is hammered down. Add a bunch of casual stuff in the console release and the common folk will be fine. Either way they're going to find something to nitpick about until they have the chance to actually play it.
The only thing ripped from 3S was just guard which I don't count because the game always had some type of parry mechanic. I don't know how you can say that Daishi didn't put much thought into it when he explained each of the changes that the game went through and why they were done, or say that he didn't understand the problems of SC4 when they were addressed in SCV like character balance, sluggish movement, online being hot ass, guard break moves not breaking guard, characters being oversexualized, etc.
Plus most people didn't play SC4 serious enough to understand the problems with it and hate on SCV just for having meter or for the lack of casual fluff. If Namco gave them more time to add that stuff, then everyone would be praising the game.
Maybe the wow factor would be there if there was a radical change in art direction or character design or a longer duration between TTT2 and T7, but the game looks good to me, and it will look even better once the gameplay is hammered down. Add a bunch of casual stuff in the console release and the common folk will be fine. Either way they're going to find something to nitpick about until they have the chance to actually play it.
The only thing ripped from 3S was just guard which I don't count because the game always had some type of parry mechanic. I don't know how you can say that Daishi didn't put much thought into it when he explained each of the changes that the game went through and why they were done, or say that he didn't understand the problems of SC4 when they were addressed in SCV like character balance, sluggish movement, online being hot ass, guard break moves not breaking guard, characters being oversexualized, etc.
Plus most people didn't play SC4 serious enough to understand the problems with it and hate on SCV just for having meter or for the lack of casual fluff. If Namco gave them more time to add that stuff, then everyone would be praising the game.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I doubt it's PS4 only. Even if XB1 is dead everywhere but NA, I think NA makes up the bulk of SF4 sales.
Maybe lead platform is PS4.
Maybe lead platform is PS4.
No. I only use facebook, I don't use twitter/instagram/etc.
Because of real life issues I'm very wary about what I upload and share in public(almost nothing), what I comment in closed groups(a bit more but not that much either and I'm usually very specific/topic related) and I don't use any facebook app at all. I just don't trust facebook or social media enough yet to be sharing where I am or what I'm doing at the moment. If forced to(like, if I really wanted to participate in some otherwise closed message board), I would create something like an empty twitter account or fake facebook account. I don't think there's something to be done to alleviate those concerns, sorry.
Karsticles
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Long-term support and a healthy scene?
I used to not care about sales at all... then some of my franchises stopped getting games and I realized sales are really the only thing that matter in the industry. That and I guess Metacritic scores.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Remember when Ninja Theory made a better action than Team Ninja
Remembered when both franchises died just the same
Remembered when both franchises died just the same
3rd Strike bombed and we didn't get another SF until a decade later.
If KOFXIII had bombed then it would have been the last game of the series.
So... yeah.
Smooth Operator
Member
My girl Nina too ?
It's more corporate than EVO.
SF5 as PS4-only would seal the deal for PS4 as the tournament console, not that we thought it might go otherwise. Not doing XBOX won't hurt as much this gen due to the XB1 sales issues and the PS Moneyhat. CVS3 is a hilariously bad idea (the game is NOT known in the mainstream because it emerged in the Dark Ages of 2D fighting games) and will never happen.
You might misunderstand, I'll be the one requesting people log into something I'm creating with their Twitter credentials.
Generally, I wouldn't ask for writing on the timeline, just info about the user. I don't need/want the password.
Fair enough. In the FB case, I'd be looking for a good amount of the person's contact info, but there would be a clear privacy section about what is done with the information (it's never made public, etc, etc).
But I understand if there are factors where this won't alleviate those concerns for you.
What about if you could use an empty account, but you were prompted for personal information? I assume no, but it can't hurt to ask. At least this way, you have a clear indication of what's being asked for (and why) as opposed to it just being pulled in a non-transparent way.
If not, would you at least use the same empty account consistently?
Hah. As I was typing that out I was thinking man I'm going to look dumb if I'm interpreting that wrong. Then gutabo posted and it was more of welp, good chance I did.
Anyway, the above is kinda a guide to what I think: if all you do is streamline login, it's great. If you ask for more permissions than that, I probably won't do it. Modifying timeline/posting is the biggie.
stn
Member
It wouldn't be good to make SF5 an exclusive. You'd lose out on XB1 sales, DLC potential, and would limit the exposure of the franchise. Fighting games especially depend on community activity in order to preserve longevity. Plus, you always have to account for the casuals who will lose interest after the vanilla version.
Breh, I already use an "empty" facebook account for gaming reasons and I still have security issues. If I were prompted for personal information, I would most likely answer(fully knowing that it's about the FGC and not some data mining app), but it really depends on what the questions would be. I consistently use 2 facebook accounts, the "real one"(which nowadays is never updated at all) and the empty FGC one where I participate in fb FGC groups and have pictures with the local community(and occasional visitors like ChrisG -don't forget to turn on english subtitles- or Jwong). So yes, I would participate with my not-so-empty-but-empty-enough account. And I do use the empty account more than the real one.
Nah, I just need all your infos. Twitter doesn't supply much, actually, so there will probably be a form where you can input/override whatever I'm able to get from the social media provider itself.
Hella gimmicky way to make them eat worms. The fun part is they're going to block the worms and get corner pulled. It's not great but it's hysterical. The CS mix up is actually good though.
Cool. As you can gather, the goal is not to get the social media accounts. It's just that delegating authorization (this is something one does *not* want to do for themselves) is a best-practice IMO, and as long as I can get some other data points (email most definitely, some other personally identifiable information as well) that would work.
stn
Member
I think that might be more in relation to SFxT, Darkstalkers, and other fighting games that sold under expectations. But if Ono has trouble securing money for a numbered Street Fighter entry, he might as well just quit altogether. I'd find that hard to believe given how well vanilla SF4 sold.
It's all the fault of the 16'ers.
SF was one of the IPs that was considered to be important for Capcom. I don't think Ono would have trouble getting resources for that game. Now if this was for their other old fighting game IPs or even a new one? Yeah, he would most likely need external funds.