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Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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Edited, I lost the page for a while.
Kite
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Reverse image search brings up this: http://linkis.com/wapo.st/jYALI
Either way you have someone saying there are no candidates standing and black people don't turn up to vote, who actually lives near or in Ferguson, upthread here.
I just did a quick "find in page" for the past 5 pages aka 500 posts (100pp amirite) and the only person claiming that black people don't turn up to vote is you.
Your data you were claiming is bogus.
I could be snarky, but it would be wasted on you.
Are you blind?
Also multiple major news sites are quoting that "bogus data" I posted in here.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...rguson-can-enact-to-prevent-another-standoff/
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson...nd-its-cops?cid=sm_m_main_1_20140814_29785586
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/10/ferguson-africanamericanspoliticalrepresentation.html
Also this is your answer to my question. If you're angry that the graph I showed supported the other two answers, can you show some evidence of voter suppression? I'm being open minded here.
At any rate youre looking for an argument I don't wish to have.
I'm suggesting the best way to stop what seems to be ingrained racism in Ferguson is to have higher representation of black people in positions of power. Do you disagree with this?
Are you blind?
Also multiple major news sites are quoting that "bogus data" I posted in here.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...rguson-can-enact-to-prevent-another-standoff/
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson...nd-its-cops?cid=sm_m_main_1_20140814_29785586
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/10/ferguson-africanamericanspoliticalrepresentation.html
I already pointed out why that extrapolated data seems bogus.
These two lists from South Carolina, and Ferguson all ask for the same things:
Do they both look as easy to understand?
The racism doesn't stop from the top down.
These two lists from South Carolina, and Ferguson all ask for the same things:
Do they both look as easy to understand?
So are you saying that less black people will vote(because not registered) as a result of the second? Because the other two did say low turnout from the black community. If you're saying that the small white power base in Ferguson is intentionally making it hard for black people to vote by rigging electoral boundaries and making things over complicated then I'd agree.
It's a start at least at local level. Lack of opportunities for black people is a wider issue. At least a majority black council could push for more representation in police forces and public service.
and you dont see a problem with that?
The whites in this case are looking at it as the cop can do no wrong, especially since he killed a black kid. Guarantee you i could walk through the areas surrounding Ferguson and ask the white folk if they think its just black people playing the race card and making a big deal over nothing, and I wouldn't get much disagreement. It just shows an extreme lack of understanding of the situation, and extreme lack of compassion and willful ignorance. I would also find people that believe because he had weed in his system he was clearly a thug, let alone the shoplifting, and any other character assassinations, including pictures of of other black kids or wrappers posing a "gansta" style rap music induced thuggery.
I don't know why you think we're disagreeing. I was criticizing a comment that said "Nobody wants to return to the status quo". That's an asinine statement for all the reasons you say: lots of people--and powerful people--want very much to return to the status quo.
Also you don't need to explain the situation to me. I can assure you your "guarantees" are correct because I did go to St Louis and Fergusson and I protested and had people shout "race card" and nonsense at me.
Dr. Benton Quest
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Officials "bracing" for grand jury decision. They have National Guard on standby. Does not seem good.
Press conference on CNN.
Press conference on CNN.
It honestly seems like the government officials already know that the grand jury isn't going to indict.
The only evidence they see is whatever the prosecutor chooses to present.
The prosecutor whose mother, father, brothers, uncle, and cousin are cops, and would've been a cop himself. The prosecutor who has never prosecuted a cop in the 25 years he has been Prosecutor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_P._McCulloch_(prosecutor)
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
That's true, the entirety of it comes from the prosecution, there is no defense at that point. Unless of course there is a conflict of interest....
All of the evidence available was presented to the grand jury, which is why it's taken as long as it has. They were essentially made part of the investigation.
They've known that for a while.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
What do you think will happen?
I don't think either outcome would surprise me. Grand juries are usually pretty lenient but if reports about witnesses and analysis supporting the officer turn out to be true it may go the other way.
Dr. Benton Quest
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Bringing the National Guard in is a bad sign. They must be expecting a negative reaction from the protesters after the Grand Jury fails to indict.
Well I don't think they would need inside information to realize it's maybe a good idea. Even as a just in case it would be far better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them.
Hmmmm. I dunno. People in the area I know have told me that they even have the hotel rooms reserved. They aren't just ready, they are being told they are coming.
Edit: Just read Nixons statement. It sounds like they are going to crack down immediately if any violence happens. He said that Ferguson will not repeat the violence and if it starts it will be stopped.
I have a feeling now they are going to announce the grand juries conclusion when this Arctic blast is in full effect here to keep people from going outside.
jamesinclair
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They knew the second an american hero brought justice to a thug
The american justice system is about on par with that of a mock trial in a banana dictatorship
Its November. I could have sworn there was something in the constitution about a speedy trial
He has to be charged first, no?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yes, and you can have a court date at the latest of 180 days, or less depending on the charge. Unless of course you agree to delays. I think it also can vary by jurisdiction.
Yeah, you got a point. But they're being blatant now. No one prepares for riots if the thing that likely should happen does happen.
Ah, well. Hopefully it doesn't turn into LA circa 1992. Or maybe that would make a point. I really don't know what to think about this situation anymore.
Dude Abides
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The defendant has the right to a speedy trial, not the state. So this is a pretty silly post.
jamesinclair
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I mean the family is not getting justice
Honestly, regardless of the outcome, the one positive that this and Trayvon have had is that they forced our generation to think about it. The silver haired dumbasses above us will be dead soon. So we need to remember. And not repeat their mistakes.
Jmanunknown
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I know the decision is coming soon. I am gonna be so shocked if officer Wilson is not indicted ok not really. Given what is known about the situation and how much latitude police have when it comes to executing citizens I am 99.9%( gotta leave some room just in case the impossible happens) sure Darren Wilson will be walking away without charges. I have made my peace with the situation. I am just generally curious what happens after? I hope Mike Brown's family can find some peace some day despite whatever happens.
I'm glad you have but unfortunately I don't how much peace residents in the St. Louis area will have.
I hope it's not as bad as most are thinking.
timetokill
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I really hope this goes to trial. really really.
Jmanunknown
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Nothing's gonna happen. The national guard is on stand by and the protests were generally peaceful except for that one crazy sunday night some people lost their minds and looted places in the town and that like week and a half span where the cops were trying to suppress free speech with violence and intimidation.
The vibe I am getting is they're dragging this out as long as they can to see if they can let some of the fire die down...
Not sure that will happen in this case.
I'm not as optimistic as that. I hope that you're right but I can almost guarentee "something" will happen if he's not indicted. How bad that something is.....well that's a different story. I don't think it will get "LA riots bad" however.
It sounds like he isn't going to be indicted. They're probably waiting to release the verdict on a weekday when the weather is cold or something to minimize the blowback.
There will be a huge police/military presence, so the riots likely won't get really out of control. There will be a lot of violence and stealing though.
There will be a huge police/military presence, so the riots likely won't get really out of control. There will be a lot of violence and stealing though.
Brolic Gaoler
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They will probably wait for a weekend. It's already cold, they don't want children in school when this shit pops off.
Local schools have been asking for this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/11/michael-brown-parents-un_n_6141756.html
They won't indict him and this won't end well. Huge fucking black eye.
They won't indict him and this won't end well. Huge fucking black eye.
Jmanunknown
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Are you kidding me? Do you realize how many unarmed black men have been killed by police and their has been little to nothing that has happened. Nothing's gonna happen people are not gonna go crazy just because of this one case. Sure their might be protests but, people actually thinking their are gonna be riots have been watching to much tv.
kame-sennin
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That was the only sane reaction to this entire crisis.
I hope it's not as bad as over 3,000 people being killed by police over the last 13 years. That would be bad.
timetokill
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I don't think there will be any change unless there are massive riots, unfortunately.
If there are simple protests this will get swept under the rug like it has been for the last month.
If there are simple protests this will get swept under the rug like it has been for the last month.
Brolic Gaoler
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Slay and Dooley having a presser right now tying to pre damage control.
ramuh
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I think Large Protests are better than riots. I don't see how destroying other people's property and causing havoc is going to win anyone to your side.
Yes, I realize. Do you realize how much more attention this case has gotten comparatively? Or have you completely forgotten U.S. history for the last 60 years?
timetokill
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I'm not saying it's ideal. Just that it will draw more attention and warrant some sort of reaction.
I fear that a protest of the size Ferguson is likely to get will be a flash in the pan news story. People will say, "oh, huh, I guess that town of black people is mad," then when the news stops covering it everyone will forget and figure they got it out of their system and everything is back to "normal."
Maybe I'm just too cynical, but it feels to me like there has to be a real crisis for things to actually change. Otherwise it's too easy to flip back to Idol and forget about it.
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