Microsoft: Xbox One leading sales in US since price cut, nearly 10 million sold-in

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shadowsdarknes

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Krilekk said:
MS must be pretty pleased. A year ago preorders were suggesting PS4 to outsell Xbox One by 4:1. A year later they stand at 10 million shipped vs. 14 million shipped. At best the ratio is 1.5:1. Xbox One sold ridiculously good for all the trouble they were in.
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The Ps4 is well above 14 million shipped.
It was at 13.5 million 6 weeks ago. This is Q4 and Sony is prepping for the holiday season. They are likely at 16 million shipped right now.

Yes, the Xbox seems to be doing very well. And it's due to a price cut and packing in free games. Thats a lot of forgone revenue that Sony is not doing.

Sony is continuing along their path. Making money while selling a fuck ton of consoles on a very stable and consistent path. They don't need to offer you a killer deal to make you buy one.

By not cutting the price, Sony has established that their console has a lot of value.

Xbox Ones are now basically the price of a Wii U now. Microsoft may have earned some momentum, but they are doing it in a non ideal fashion.
 
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BishopLamont

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koshunter said:
Yea, I wouldn't say its guaranteed to sell more either. But given the push by MS, the bundles and the games, if the XB1 was going to win any month this year, it would be November.

However, I do agree with you in that it's by no means a foregone conclusion. The PS4 bundles are attractive offers in themselves, along with just a general demand for the console itself.
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we've seen the xbone recieving exclusives and bundles and still fail to outsell the ps4, the general demand for ps4 is just significantly higher than the xbone any way you slice it

the only way i see ps4 selling less is if there's a shortage.

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The Ps4 is well above 14 million shipped.
It was at 13.5 million 6 weeks ago. This is Q4 and Sony is prepping for the holiday season. They are likely at 16 million shipped right now.

Yes, the Xbox seems to be doing very well. And it's due to a price cut and packing in free games. Thats a lot of forgone revenue that Sony is not doing.

Sony is continuing along their path. Making money while selling a fuck ton of consoles on a very stable and consistent path. They don't need to offer you a killer deal to make you buy one.

By not cutting the price, Sony has established that their console has a lot of value.

Xbox Ones are now basically the price of a Wii U now. Microsoft may have earned some momentum, but they are doing it in a non ideal fashion.
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this.

ms is doing everything they can to make the xbone attractive, sony doesn't have to work as much, this is a much better situation than the ps3 where sony lost a lot of profitability due to it's underperformance compared to the 360. i see the xbone in the same situation as the ps3 last gen, where demand for the 360 was just generally higher than the ps3 in the us, disregarding the odd months now and then that the ps3 sold more.
 
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FoxHimself said:
September is horribly out of date?
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The US has consistantly been around 60% ofthe market (Launch month and updates agree with this), and with the launch in tier 3 it's likely trending more towards 50% (Much like the Xbox 360, US = 41.7m, WW = 85m~)

XB1 is 3.5m end of September, probably 200k~ in October so 3.7m. Even if US retains its 60% mark that's 6.1m end of October.
 
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BishopLamont said:
we've seen the xbone recieving exclusives and bundles and still fail to outsell the ps4, the general demand for ps4 is just significantly higher than the xbone any way you slice it

the only way i see ps4 selling less is if there's a shortage.
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The previous bundles didn't have games as big as COD and/or Assassins's Creed and they also didn't release during months in which many people were looking for/buying new consoles.

It really isn't that similar.
 
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BishopLamont

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Bgamer90 said:
The previous bundles didn't have games as big as COD and/or Assassins's Creed and they also didn't release during months in which many people were looking for/buying new consoles.

It really isn't that similar.
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ps4 is getting the same games.

pretty sure every month has people looking for new consoles to buy, not sure why you even bring that up.
 
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BishopLamont said:
ps4 is getting the same games.

pretty sure every month has people looking for new consoles to buy, not sure why you even bring that up.
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but it's still at times $70-$100 more this Black Friday. nobody is saying that the s4 won't do good. but people act like the demand for xboxs will suddenly dry up this November just because the ps4 has bundled games. which can be had cheaper on the xbox
 
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BishopLamont said:
ps4 is getting the same games.

pretty sure every month has people looking for new consoles to buy, not sure why you even bring that up.
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November and December are the biggest months of the year for sales. MS has a much lower price point for their console and a game that many XB1 owners have been waiting for (MCC).

I'm not saying the XB1 is guaranteed to outsell the PS4, but I fully expect it to in November. Anything less would be disaster for MS.
 
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I think both systems will sell out this month and the only way for one to sell more than the other is to have more stock out there.
 
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Bgamer90 said:
The previous bundles didn't have games as big as COD and/or Assassins's Creed and they also didn't release during months in which many people were looking for/buying new consoles.

It really isn't that similar.
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I dunno, breh. Titanfall was marketed as the second coming of AAA-jesus since E3 2013 and Madden ain't nothing to sneeze at either.
 
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BishopLamont

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blakep267 said:
but it's still at times $70-$100 more this Black Friday. nobody is saying that the s4 won't do good. but people act like the demand for xboxs will suddenly dry up this November just because the ps4 has bundled games. which can be had cheaper on the xbox
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its quite the opposite, people are acting like the xbone sales are gonna skyrocket just because of price, because the games are there for both platforms.

xbone will sell great, i just don't think its any where near guaranteed it'll sell more than ps4 just because of a lower price.

koshunter said:
November and December are the biggest months of the year for sales. MS has a much lower price point for their console and a game that many XB1 owners have been waiting for (MCC).

I'm not saying the XB1 is guaranteed to outsell the PS4, but I fully expect it to in November. Anything less would be disaster for MS.
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yeah ms needs the win for the morale and mindshare more than anything, but even if they do win it, it won't make much of a difference if it's only for one month.
 
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Bgamer90 said:
The previous bundles didn't have games as big as COD and/or Assassins's Creed and they also didn't release during months in which many people were looking for/buying new consoles.

It really isn't that similar.
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Titanfall? Come on, son. That game was being positioned as the biggest game of the year in terms of marketing and online presence.

I remember way, WAY more pre-release hype for TF than Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare.
 
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BishopLamont

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Hoo-doo said:
Titanfall? Come on, son. That game was being positioned as the biggest game of the year in terms of marketing and online presence.

I remember way, WAY more pre-release hype for TF than Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare.
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yeah pretty funny how people forget titanfall, ms went all in on that game and yet ps4 still sold more.
 
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FunkyPajamas

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koshunter said:
November and December are the biggest months of the year for sales. MS has a much lower price point for their console and a game that many XB1 owners have been waiting for (MCC).

I'm not saying the XB1 is guaranteed to outsell the PS4, but I fully expect it to in November. Anything less would be disaster for MS.
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This is exactly my sentiment. Nothing is guaranteed, but I think it's highly unlikely to go any other way. Also agreed on the last item.
 
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Bgamer90

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SeanR1221 said:
Id argue madden is bigger than assassins creed
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Used to be. Wouldn't say it is anymore. It isn't even the most popular sports game right now. Would say NBA 2K surpassed it now.

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Hoo-doo said:
Titanfall? Come on, son. That game was being positioned as the biggest game of the year in terms of marketing and online presence.

I remember way, WAY more pre-release hype for TF than Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare.
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BishopLamont said:
yeah pretty funny how people forget titanfall, ms went all in on that game and yet ps4 still sold more.
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Doesn't matter. It's was a new IP. It was never going to top COD. New IP in March beating a popular/huge series in November? No way.
 
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Krilekk said:
MS must be pretty pleased. A year ago preorders were suggesting PS4 to outsell Xbox One by 4:1. A year later they stand at 10 million shipped vs. 14 million shipped. At best the ratio is 1.5:1. Xbox One sold ridiculously good for all the trouble they were in.
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Correction, they are NOT at 10 million shipped yet, they will be before the calendar year is over of course. Sony is Waaaaaaay past 14 million shipped, they were at 13.5 million shipped at the end of September. It's safe to assume they have shipped more than 500k consoles in the past 6 weeks.

Also I'm get the feeling that M.S. sales are going to fall through the floor after the holidays.
 
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FunkyPajamas

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Hoo-doo said:
Titanfall? Come on, son. That game was being positioned as the biggest game of the year in terms of marketing and online presence.

I remember way, WAY more pre-release hype for TF than Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare.
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I'm not arguing against your post here, but Titanfall needed the hype and marketing push due to being a new property. CoD/AC just sell, you know. Like hot cakes.
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So was Destiny. Which sold boatloads.
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Multiplatform, Pedigree, etc.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying this is not a simple equation or a 1:1 situation where we can say "X amount of marketing/hype means X*Y amount of sales".
 
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BishopLamont

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Bgamer90 said:
Used to be. Wouldn't say it is anymore. It isn't even the most popular sports game right now. Would say NBA 2K surpassed it now.

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Doesn't matter. It's was a new IP. It was never going to top COD. New IP in March beating a popular/huge series in November? No way.
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what? im pretty sure madden sells a ton more than nba 2k, in any year.

titanfall was a big exclusive game for the xbone that also had a bundle, of course it's not bigger than cod, but ms surely wanted it to be.

besides, being a new ip doesn't mean it has to sell shit, look at destiny, it's gonna be as big as cod eventually at the rate it's going.

FunkyPajamas said:
I'm not arguing against your post here, but Titanfall needed the hype and marketing push due to being a new property. CoD/AC just sell, you know. Like hot cakes.
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you realise acti/ubisoft spends millions to market and hype their games every year right? and its not just lunch money either.

they don't simply "just sell like hot cakes" as you put it.
 
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jedimike

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MrNyarlathotep said:
Are you actually unaware of Microsofts history of channel stuffing, or are you choosing to ignore it?
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I've commented on it many times over the past. The reality is that MS doesn't randomly send pallets of Xbox consoles to retailers. Retailers order the consoles based upon their perceived holiday demand.
 
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jedimike said:
Rest assured... Selling 10 million units is no joke. I don't understand why GAF thinks that because one console is leading in sales means all others are failing.

Just look at last Gen... Were the 360 and PS3 failures because they were outsold by the Wii?

Xbox One sales are great and it's fun to see MS competing with PS4. But the bottom line is that it makes Microsoft money and provides loads of entertainment to millions of customers.
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I don't get it, either, but I buy all of the platforms regardless if I care about or trust the corporations behind them since I know I want the best games and the best games are never all on one platform since great developers are spread all around and there's simply not enough oxygen on a single platform for all of them to thrive. I chalk it up to a bunch of folks still walking around with virtual chips on their shoulders, happy to anticipate a generation-long comeuppance for a botched product reveal and those dumb plans which were scrapped to compete in a marketplace that didn't want them.
 
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BishopLamont

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jedimike said:
I've commented on it many times over the past. The reality is that MS doesn't randomly send pallets of Xbox consoles to retailers. Retailers order the consoles based upon their perceived holiday demand.
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it's an agreement by both parties, its not just how much retailers want, ms also has a say.

we wouldn't be talking about channel stuffing if the xbone was selling great.
 
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MrNyarlathotep

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shadowsdarknes said:
I'm actually unaware of this.
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All companies ship big for holiday sales, because its a huge time of year and you don't want to miss out on sales, but let's just say that Microsoft are just super enthusiastic and optimistic about how many they sell on a regular basis, and their Q4 shipments always show a very dramatic fall.

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jedimike said:
I've commented on it many times over the past. The reality is that MS doesn't randomly send pallets of Xbox consoles to retailers. Retailers order the consoles based upon their perceived holiday demand.
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No, bricks and mortar retailers don't operate on a JIT system.
They take overstock because various promises are made.
 
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bishoptl

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Krilekk said:
MS must be pretty pleased. A year ago preorders were suggesting PS4 to outsell Xbox One by 4:1. A year later they stand at 10 million shipped vs. 14 million shipped. At best the ratio is 1.5:1. Xbox One sold ridiculously good for all the trouble they were in.
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10 million shipped?

Did you not read the quote?
 
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Mass Effect

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FunkyPajamas said:
I'm not arguing against your post here, but Titanfall needed the hype and marketing push due to being a new property. CoD/AC just sell, you know. Like hot cakes.

Multiplatform, Pedigree, etc.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying this is not a simple equation or a 1:1 situation where we can say "X amount of marketing/hype means X*Y amount of sales".
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Titanfall was multiplatform as well. And Pedigree? You're saying Respawn, the majority of the Old Infinity Ward, creators of Call of Duty, didn't have pedigree? One of the biggest things they pushed about Titanfall was that it was "from the makers of Call of Duty."

Ultimately, I think you're right, but I was sort of playing devil's advocate there.
 
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BishopLamont said:
it's an agreement by both parties, its not just how much retailers want, ms also has a say.

we wouldn't be talking about channel stuffing if the xbone was selling great.
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And looking at the past quarter report, it's clear that the consoles are selling just fine... Hence the increased demand (by retailers) for holiday stock.
 
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FunkyPajamas

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BishopLamont said:
you realise acti/ubisoft spends millions to market and hype their games every year right? and its not just lunch money either.

they don't simply "just sell like hot cakes" as you put it.
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Yes, I realize that. I should have been more clear in my post. What I meant is: the effort to market an existing, tried and true and somewhat well received IP is nowhere nearly as much as the effort required to market a new, unknown IP.

Is that an acceptable enough proposition?
Mass Effect said:
Titanfall was multiplatform as well. And Pedigree? You're saying Respawn, the majority of the Old Infinity Ward, creators of Call of Duty, didn't have pedigree? One of the biggest things they pushed about Titanfall was that it was "from the makers of Call of Duty."

Ultimately, I think you're right, but I was sort of playing devil's advocate there.
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Fair enough, you're right. I guess, again, my issue here is that it's not a 1:1 comparison so it's really hard to extrapolate from past data to predict what will happen next.
 
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BishopLamont

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jedimike said:
And looking at the past quarter report, it's clear that the consoles are selling just fine... Hence the increased demand (by retailers) for holiday stock.
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well all sales increase sales during the holiday season, that hasn't stopped ms from channel stuffing in the past, not sure why it'll be different this time around.

i'll believe it when it happens.
 
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bishoptl

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HeliosT10 said:
Stealth threats are even worse
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From whom? p3tran has been walked down this road before regarding the difference in indie developer support between platforms, and yet here we are again. Providing an easy-to-access reminder at the touch of a fingertip seems like a nice thing to do, imo.

Back on topic: this afternoon will be highly entertaining. I promise you.
 
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BishopLamont said:
what? im pretty sure madden sells a ton more than nba 2k, in any year.
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NBA 2K series greatly rose in popularity after NBA 2K11. Madden doesn't stay relevant for as long as NBA 2K due to the lengths/times of their sports seasons. I know back in Janaury (NPD) NBA 2K14 was above Madden 25.

titanfall was a big exclusive game for the xbone that also had a bundle, of course it's not bigger than cod, but ms surely wanted it to be.
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A new IP doing as big as COD would be fantastic. Not sure why anyone wouldn't want that to happen.

besides, being a new ip doesn't mean it has to sell shit, look at destiny, it's gonna be as big as cod eventually at the rate it's going.
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Never meant that. Was just saying that it's going to be hard for any new shooter IP to take down COD; Destiny did well but I don't think it will be as big as COD -- At least not anytime before Destiny 2 releases.
 
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jedimike said:
Rest assured... Selling 10 million units is no joke. I don't understand why GAF thinks that because one console is leading in sales means all others are failing.

Just look at last Gen... Were the 360 and PS3 failures because they were outsold by the Wii?

Xbox One sales are great and it's fun to see MS competing with PS4. But the bottom line is that it makes Microsoft money and provides loads of entertainment to millions of customers.
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Same could be said about the DS/PSP era. The PSP is considered to be a failure by some people, yet it still sold over 80 million units, making it (when combining consoles and handhelds) a top 10 selling piece of video game hardware.
 
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BishopLamont

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FunkyPajamas said:
Yes, I realize that. I should have been more clear in my post. What I meant is: the effort to market an existing, tried and true and somewhat well received IP is nowhere nearly as much as the effort required to market a new, unknown IP.

Is that an acceptable enough proposition?
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well thats obvious, i'm just not sure why you're bringing that up though, every new ip needs the effort compared to sequels, why is this being used as an excuse for titanfall's underperformance?

Bgamer90 said:
Madden doesn't stay relevant for as long as NBA 2K due to the lengths/times of the sports seasons. NBA 2K series greatly rose in popularity after NBA 2K11.
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yeah but which one sells more?

Bgamer90 said:
Never meant that. Was just saying that it's going to be hard for any new shooter IP to take down COD; Destiny did well but I don't think it will be as big as COD -- At least not anytime before Destiny 2 releases.
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the point is that titanfall didn't do as well as it was hoped by people and ms, it doesn't need to be as big as cod, but it's nowhere near where the expectations it had.
 
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Hoo-doo

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bishoptl said:
From whom? p3tran has been walked down this road before regarding the difference in indie developer support between platforms, and yet here we are again. Providing an easy-to-access reminder at the touch of a fingertip seems like a nice thing to do, imo.

Back on topic: this afternoon will be highly entertaining. I promise you.
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Aw yiss, I can't wait. My NPD-senses are tingling.
 
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