I'm sure Bish would love to hear it.
Microsoft: Xbox One leading sales in US since price cut, nearly 10 million sold-in
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I'm sure Bish would love to hear it.
This is false. Check the prediction thread. 9/10 people (roughly speaking) said PS4 would win.
You are forgetting the $50 giftcard thats included with the $329 XB1 at some retailers.
The deal is $329 XB1 bundle with 2 Asscreed games + $50 giftcard, which is why I think Sony needs a discount of ~$75, even if they cant match the $50 giftcard bonus.
Also I was talking about Sony responding because people keep insisting that Sony has a bundle up its sleeve, that possibility, however bleak it is.
The Artisan
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by a few million? would you call that ahead when we're talkin tens of millions sold?
FunkyPajamas
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There was no logic behind that prediction though. I can see Sony taking October, no problem, but November? After Sunset Overdrive, Halo MCC + 50$ off? I'd be really, no, extremely surprised if Microsoft does not win November/December.
Stealth threats are even worse
Chobel
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Jesus christ p3tran! Is it really that hard to understand?
Here's why it's shitty:
1) You have your game in PS4 and you want to put it in Xbone, so what do you do? You can't do shit, sorry but parity clause prevents you from porting your game.
2) Hey you want to launch your game in xbone whenever you like. Sorry you can't do that, you either launch at the same day with other platforms or you lose your chance of putting your game in Xbone ever again.
And no Sony has no problem if you publish on xbone first, but MS has a problem if you publish on PS4 first.
Here's why it's shitty:
1) You have your game in PS4 and you want to put it in Xbone, so what do you do? You can't do shit, sorry but parity clause prevents you from porting your game.
2) Hey you want to launch your game in xbone whenever you like. Sorry you can't do that, you either launch at the same day with other platforms or you lose your chance of putting your game in Xbone ever again.
And no Sony has no problem if you publish on xbone first, but MS has a problem if you publish on PS4 first.
PseudoKirby
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Microsoft mopping it up
Pretty sure Sony requires PS specifics/upgrades for ports.
Shh...just let him dig his hole.
Take it however you want. Sharing your pov means nothing here but opening a dialogue with a mod will at least give you an answer.
Chobel
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You should tell that to p3tran, people keep correcting him yet the guy keep repeating the same BS over and over again.
Nope, that only happened in PS3 days.
sturgboski
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And it looks like they will have a black Friday bundle. Microsoft went to the extreme. Who is going to see this fire sale and then once its over think "yeah the Xbox One is totally worth the $400 asking price" when for two months it was close to $200 with discounts gift cards and packaged games.
as I said, I read a lot of pages about the indie subject here, on gaf, the previous time it was discussed. a couple of months ago iirc.
I do not develop/fund/publish/etc games. I only buy them.
what I read back then is this, and since you are in the know, please correct where you find wrong:
ms gives the kits for free, offers top-tier support for free
demands that the games you develop using their hardware and support for free, are not time exclusive to their competing platform.
sony sells the kits, and their support is not the same level.
I can get more support by doing time exclusivity deals, not regarding other gaming devices but specifically only time exclusive to xbone (and wiiU probably?)
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so, lets say I'm a dev. I get everything I need from microsoft for free, and in order to get a better deal from sony I pursue to make a time exclusive contract with them. (they offer so).
so I probably do both things.
then, I complain about ms policy.
does not compute, at least for me. thats what I'm saying.
and can I ask you something else?
does sony have a problem if you publish on xbone first? I mean, if thats the case and suits your needs at that time, is it ok with sony? do you get any changes in your deal with sony if you decide that that happens?
I know where you're getting the support thing from actually. It's from a thread a few weeks back where an MS employee was asking me if a level of service would be appropriate to different types of devs. So top tier service would only be for indies who obey the parity clause, and second tier service for those paying for kits and having their own release schedules.
It was all hypothetical talk; there's no "top tier" and "secondary tier" of service on either platform.
Also Sony has no problem with games published on Xbox first, so long as you're not using the pub fund to do so of course.
Maybe not as dryink but I think they make a point to emphasize it according to this write up from a year ago.
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/JamesCoote/20131009/202022/Sony_Developer_Open_Day_Summary.php
Microsoft is being very aggressive in their pricing and bundling strategies for Black Friday and the holiday season in general, I would not at all be surprised if they won November and December in the U.S. due to the deals they are offering. If I had any interest in one right now that Walmart Halo Bundle for $329 AND a $30 gift card would be hard to resist.
Chobel
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"Less interested" =/= "Not interested at all".
They prefer new content but in no way they're going to force devs to create PS specific content, it just that late ports are less prioritized than new releases.
I spoke to a dev at Eurogamer (one man team) and he said MS were not at all helpful/interested whereas his game just released on PS4/Vita with a PS+ offer thanks to support from Sony.
I didn't get into the nitty gritty, I just wanted an overall opinion of how Sony & MS were to work with as a indie.
yes, that thread too.
and from your answer, I understand that what I wrote and asked you to correct it, it is close enough. right?
the "support thing", I read both in here and following various links.
nothing but praise for microsoft support on indies, and many times I read that the ms support is much better than sony's support in comparison.
if you have a different opinion on that -the level and quality of support- I am pretty sure I didnt read anything like that back then. as I said, I read only praise, and praise in comparison too.
but never too late to tell, if different. so please do tell, because in my opinion it changes the balance of the business offers on the table.
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so, basically, a dev that gets the dev kits and the good (and standard) support from microsoft, (for free),
has a reason to complain only in the case that he has signed for time exclusivity with sony, in order to get a better deal with them.
would you say that this is correct?
I know that basically thats what you already wrote, and in fact I bolded it for emphasis, but let me doublecheck with you. is it so?
EDIT:
and since this indie thing has become my new tag, here is a conclusion:
if the above business terms/offers are correct (and by the time I wrote this, nobody replied that they are not correct), then
I guess some indie folks are maybe getting pimped here and they dont even understand it, getting payed for a month's time exclusivity while effectively, when they agree to these terms, they offer a lifetime console exclusive deal instead.
given the specific facts, these are my 2c's
Wickerbasket
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Isn't the issue that indies have to release on Microsoft's platform first if they can only manage one platform release at a time? And obviously, indies will want to release on the platform with the biggest user base to start with, so they may as well take Sony's exclusivity deal since Microsoft won't let them release on Xbox One anyway, if they choose to release on Sony's platform first.
Saying 'you released on PS4 first so we don't want you' is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's punishing indie developers for making smart business decisions; not all indies can release on more than one platform at the same time, it's a lot of work.
Chobel
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But but... but top tier support?
Seems now you're just looking for a tag quote but unfornutately knowing your devotion to the team I know you are serious.
Must have misread this part of the main forum then.
C'mon..
I don't see the actions of moderators included in there.
I've had enough of this derail.
BishopLamont
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ms can do everything they want, the ps4 will still sell more than the xbone for the rest of the generation.
Tumle
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What was there statement last June after they told about the cut in May?
Wasn't it something in the same range as 3x amount of May sales?
Just curies
Shaunboy97
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Boom. Xbone should just be discontinued. No chance of winning. It is already dead, etc.
Eh...I guess
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Well in Europe and Ásia xboxone is dead i can guarantee you. Best scenario in long term for MS is 50/50 in US only
Yeah, I think Microsoft is going to stick with the price-cut post this December.
And I think by E3; Kinectless SKU ~ $299, With Kinect - $399
El-Pistolero
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This is a US centric board, so the obsession over an eventual Xbox One lead for the month of November seems like a major thing. Whatever lead MS might enjoy in November (if they lead, that is) will be a joke compared to the sales gap that we will witness everywhere else (to the advantage of Sony, obviously).
The thing about Sony is that they have what consumers generally believe to be the best console this generation. Yes, Sony may have done things recently that gamers on NeoGAF don't particularly like, but those decisions are based on market realities. Sony charges for online multiplayer with the PS4... However, MS had always charged for online multiplayer as far as their console goes and Sony's competing service, PS+, only became the success in subscribers that it currently is when they started to charge for online multiplayer. Console gamers have shown that they are willing to pay for online multiplayer and everyone besides Nintendo charging for it is the result.
People are upset that PS4 isn't having crazy November deals like XB1, but then PS4 doesn't need crazy November deals to sell well. The reason why MS is going crazy on these deals is because they are losing everywhere, even in the territory that allowed them to tie with Sony last generation. MS's absurd focus on the US is because just winning that territory allowed them to tie with Sony worldwide, but it also explains why Sony is acting the way they are... Sony knows it could lose the US to MS and still tie, but yet Sony is even winning that territory. Letting MS win November in the US is not going to change the fact that Sony is selling vastly more consoles than MS is month to month because they have Europe on lock and are selling more consoles in the US throughout the year. Sony will start having price drops when PS4 sales start flatlining, but they don't need to right now.
People are upset that PS4 isn't having crazy November deals like XB1, but then PS4 doesn't need crazy November deals to sell well. The reason why MS is going crazy on these deals is because they are losing everywhere, even in the territory that allowed them to tie with Sony last generation. MS's absurd focus on the US is because just winning that territory allowed them to tie with Sony worldwide, but it also explains why Sony is acting the way they are... Sony knows it could lose the US to MS and still tie, but yet Sony is even winning that territory. Letting MS win November in the US is not going to change the fact that Sony is selling vastly more consoles than MS is month to month because they have Europe on lock and are selling more consoles in the US throughout the year. Sony will start having price drops when PS4 sales start flatlining, but they don't need to right now.
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Handy Fake
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Erm. Errrrm.
Dead Prince
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3 more hours right? we'll find out when Sony put out their tweet if they are #1 or not.
BishopLamont
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the ps4 has been selling more than the xbone for the rest of the year, not just in the us either, why would the xbone sell more in november? price isn't a problem when the demand for the ps4 is significantly higher.
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2. why doesn't it?
joke post?
might wanna check your numbers again.
dr. apocalipsis
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VG***z, right?
It's funny how that page have to forcibly update 360 numbers over PS3's everytime official sales reports are released from both companies... just to put PS3 ahead again a couple of days later.
Even the slightiest advantage, they really need to put PS3 ahead with no evidences. So hilarious.
Primethius
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The XB1 is poised to sell more in November. The bundles present a much lower price point then the PS4 and the systems biggest game (MCC) just came out a few days ago. Its a perfect mixture of people waiting to jump on to buy the console along with it being at an attractive price point.
BishopLamont
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sure it makes the xbone more attractive, doesn't guarantee it'll sell more.
We have no solid numbers from either.
Throwaway123456789
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September is horribly out of date?
Guys, this is the holidays. You can say an attractive bundle may swing people a certain way, but both consoles are going to be selling because of Christmas. The main factor is how many each company can get to stores for the holidays. Because both are going to be selling a lot.
There were couple of people earlier in the thread who said that MS PR is not effective. I want them to see this.
General consensus in the MS quarterly report thread is that they are about 6.5 million sold through. With the way they have been selling since they are easily over 7 million. So, even if they shipped 10 million there would be 3 million in store not 5 million like you suggested.
Primethius
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Yea, I wouldn't say its guaranteed to sell more either. But given the push by MS, the bundles and the games, if the XB1 was going to win any month this year, it would be November.
However, I do agree with you in that it's by no means a foregone conclusion. The PS4 bundles are attractive offers in themselves, along with just a general demand for the console itself.
Rest assured... Selling 10 million units is no joke. I don't understand why GAF thinks that because one console is leading in sales means all others are failing.
Just look at last Gen... Were the 360 and PS3 failures because they were outsold by the Wii?
Xbox One sales are great and it's fun to see MS competing with PS4. But the bottom line is that it makes Microsoft money and provides loads of entertainment to millions of customers.
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