BuddyJoeHooker
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Moon Knight #5, was that more Ellis or Shalvey?
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Moon Knight #5, was that more Ellis or Shalvey?
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Batman 36: That issue came to a fucking halt for those pages where Joker revealed he's just a bored dude who loves looking up the etymology of names and words. Really glad that little wiki-lesson was in there.
On the other hand, Grayson continues to be just a fun and smart and well-plotted book featuring college girls chasing half-naked Dick.
On the other hand, Grayson continues to be just a fun and smart and well-plotted book featuring college girls chasing half-naked Dick.
BenjaminBirdie
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Remender forever. Black Science is one long elaborate fight comic.
Definitely go with the OHCs. They're cheaper and way more readable.
I don't think many books are released in both OHC and omnibus, but if I was given the option, I'd go OHC as long as the prices are similar (or the OHC is cheaper). If the omnibus was significantly cheaper than the OHCs, I'd go with the omnibus though.
12-ish issue OHCs are the perfect format, in my opinion. Very comfortable to read, but still chunky enough to hold a good amount of comics.
I dunno if I would put one over the other, but as much as I don't care for his comics, Ellis has really thought over this stuff in the last few years, with his Secret Avengers shorts being a good portfolio since he works with artists with different strengths. He's interested in craft which is why other writers like him, I think
http://www.avclub.com/article/marvel-artists-walk-through-creation-kickass-fight-209766
There's an example of an Ellis script and Shalvey breaking it down tho
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
I really liked the Nightcrawler vs. Iceman fight that Remender and Noto busted out on UXF:
It's super personal, real up-close at the end, and it really is cathartic and emotional throughout.
Ok, so this past week's World Trigger (a manga that's running in Weekly Shonen Jump) had a really cool chapter that worked as a first person flashback. Which got me thinking... first person view isn't really used much in comics, is it? I mean, that's the first time I can think of in all my reading that I've seen a comic/manga where a whole chapter was done in first person, and it was really neat. Anyone have any other examples? Just something I never thought of before.
I don't even know if I can look. I just want it printed already.
BuddyJoeHooker
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This is such a great article, I never find this stuff.
I'm so glad these two are continuing to work together.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
For me, Bryan Hitch is from the Alan Davis school of cartooning, he's always been good at this kind of thing, especially on The Authority.
Its hard to try and define the line where the writer and the artist come and go. With Kirby and Miller being one and the same, its obvious its one creative mind, but with multiple people? I don't know if it was Waid's idea for Samnee to use irregular panels to emphasize certain actions and positions
but surely he's got to get some credit for coming up with the scenario, pacing out the beats, playing with reader expectations, drawing in tension-the reveal-the surprise beatdown with the murdock flashbacks
Probably more on the artist than the writer to hammer the visuals home, admittingl. You could probably write a really bitching action sequence, but if the artist can't make it convincing or uses some poor choices...
Its hard to try and define the line where the writer and the artist come and go. With Kirby and Miller being one and the same, its obvious its one creative mind, but with multiple people? I don't know if it was Waid's idea for Samnee to use irregular panels to emphasize certain actions and positions
but surely he's got to get some credit for coming up with the scenario, pacing out the beats, playing with reader expectations, drawing in tension-the reveal-the surprise beatdown with the murdock flashbacks
Probably more on the artist than the writer to hammer the visuals home, admittingl. You could probably write a really bitching action sequence, but if the artist can't make it convincing or uses some poor choices...
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I think Morrison has always been a big fan of super-violence. While other writers of his generation got the fights over with quickly, or provided a narrative overlay so we were watching more than just punches, Morrison was always happy to go for it blow by blow, panel by panel, ever since Zenith Phase 2 where Zenith fights Warhead for six pages and little dialog. And this was back in the supercompressed 2000 AD days. I think he's got an eye for choreography, understanding the appeal of them, and finding visually interesting things for his artist to draw. He's also a bit of an artist himself, so I think he tailors his scripts around that.
Freezasaurus
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Good luck with that waiting. That's 4 books away lol
For me, Bryan Hitch is from the Alan Davis school of cartooning, he's always been good at this kind of thing, especially on The Authority.
Its hard to try and define the line where the writer and the artist come and go. With Kirby and Miller being one and the same, its obvious its one creative mind, but with multiple people? I don't know if it was Waid's idea for Samnee to use irregular panels to emphasize certain actions and positions
but surely he's got to get some credit for coming up with the scenario, pacing out the beats, playing with reader expectations, drawing in tension-the reveal-the surprise beatdown with the murdock flashbacks
Probably more on the artist than the writer to hammer the visuals home, admittingl. You could probably write a really bitching action sequence, but if the artist can't make it convincing or uses some poor choices...
Yeah, it can be hard to know where do draw the line, especially with things like that Daredevil ish. When I think of my favourite action comics I think Darrow on Hard Boiled, Quitely on We3, Otomo on Domu... and you can't really write that stuff, it's pure cartooning.
I guess where I'm coming from though in terms of writing is this: is this guy good with multiple artists? Do you see a trend in how he or she stages these things, is there an awareness of how space functions? I think JRjr is a helpful example here, he lives and dies in terms of fights depending on who's writing him. Miller, Millar, Remender? He's golden. Bendis? Eh
It's been awhile since I've read it, but I seem to remember Bendis/Maleev's Daredevil run having pretty great fight scenes. Do you think that's an example of the artist overcoming a week script or maybe in this case Bendis just didn't gel with JRjr and his distinct style?
I dunno -- I find Bendis to be amazingly lacking terms of this stuff generally. I don't think it's just something he's interested in writing. Maleev is too stiff in his figures for anything to be really convincing for me too, though the scene where he carves a bullseye into Bullseye is pretty good.
my name is ed
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IIRC Bendis tries to tailor his scripts to his artists. Im sure with some artists he just tells them to go wild. JRJR is such a vet that he probably doesnt even bother sketching out a page anymore haha
I honestly haven't read enough of his stuff to really feel like I can comment on his ability to write fight scenes. I read a little bit of Ultimate Spider-man like 12 years ago, his Daredevil, some of his recent X-Men and Guardians stuff, Moon Knight, and a little bit of his Avengers run. He's probably my least read big name writer honestly.
Speaking of Ellis and Shalvey, do we know what their next project is going to be? As much as it's tough to not want longer runs from Ellis, I'd like to see them both do another lesser used Marvel character again.
Doctor Strange and Black Panther will inevitably get new solo titles before the movies release, so either of them would be fine with me. I still want Del Mundo on Doc Strange more than anything.
Doctor Strange and Black Panther will inevitably get new solo titles before the movies release, so either of them would be fine with me. I still want Del Mundo on Doc Strange more than anything.
What do you guys and gals think about Comic Cartel? It's interesting and I wanted to see if there are pros and cons to the service.
Comic Cartel
Comic Cartel
I've been praying for a Doctor Strange ongoing for years- I pray we get an artist with the kind of scale and vision that the classic Strange stories had.
PSA to hop in the ComicGAF IRC chatroom for good times.
http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=comicgaf
Also, love the discussion about artists/writers and action scenes. I've got absolutely nothing to add though. Sorry. Haha
http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=comicgaf
Also, love the discussion about artists/writers and action scenes. I've got absolutely nothing to add though. Sorry. Haha
Freezasaurus
Member
I'm in.
I've really been enjoying Trees. Can't wait to see what else Ellis has in store.
Why'd you even have to bring that up... It's unhealthy to want something so badly that's so impossible to have.
my name is ed
Banned
Mignola has worked on Dr Strange before tho
Yeah, but that was old Mignola. We require new Mignola.
But I do need to check out that mini sometime.
Freezasaurus
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Oh I know, but only as an artist... I'd love to see the mood that oozes out of his Hellboy issues applied to the Sorcerer Supreme and his rogues gallery. Mignola on writing and art duties would be unbelievable.
Portugeezer
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I've been looking to buy some good sci-fi/cyberpunk comics.
I know of The Incal, Trillium, and The Wake.
Saw a few on Google, but didn't seem sci-fi focussed, so I'm interested to see what you guys recommend.
I know of The Incal, Trillium, and The Wake.
Saw a few on Google, but didn't seem sci-fi focussed, so I'm interested to see what you guys recommend.
RoninChaos
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Captain Toad is coming to save us all from Assassin's Creed sadness!
Though after checking out the Giant Bomb quicklook I'm kinda interested in playing Rogue.
Anyone pick up the Lil' Gotham Harley figure? Midtown has her listed as in stock so I'm guessing she hit comic stores yesterday.
Though after checking out the Giant Bomb quicklook I'm kinda interested in playing Rogue.
Anyone pick up the Lil' Gotham Harley figure? Midtown has her listed as in stock so I'm guessing she hit comic stores yesterday.
I never realized how much I wanted this until reading this.
BuddyJoeHooker
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Bendis has become terrible at fights, I used to love seeing Bagley do an entire fight issue in Ultimate Spider-Man but this recent venom blast "wait for it" bullshit is some bullshit.
vs.
Off the top of my head, Ronin by Frank Miller, but I know there's another good one I've read that I'm forgetting...
Edit: Another Sci-Fi suggestion: Fear Agent by Rick Remender. So, so good. Grab the two Library Editions.
I think these are extremely shitty, but Mondo has a couple Marvel posters up:
http://mondotees.com/collections/posters
http://mondotees.com/collections/posters
my name is ed
Banned
Damn I forgot how dynamic Bagley was on USM. His people all look the same tho
RoninChaos
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So I basically fell out of comics when Peter Parker was killed in ultimate spiderman.
First question, is marvel still doing OHCs for things like ultimate spiderman or is volume thirteen all I'm going to get? If that's all I'm going to get, what trades do I need to pick up?
Second, have they brought peter back?
Peter in ultimate spider man was probably my favorite version. Was really sad to see him go. How is miles? Is it worth reading?
First question, is marvel still doing OHCs for things like ultimate spiderman or is volume thirteen all I'm going to get? If that's all I'm going to get, what trades do I need to pick up?
Second, have they brought peter back?
Peter in ultimate spider man was probably my favorite version. Was really sad to see him go. How is miles? Is it worth reading?
my name is ed
Banned
I *think* they just brought ultimate peter back
From what I gather, people think Miles-Man is good but it lingers too much on Miles living in the shadow of Peter
From what I gather, people think Miles-Man is good but it lingers too much on Miles living in the shadow of Peter
BuddyJoeHooker
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Death of Spider-Man was probably the last of the collection, they haven't collected the miles run in OHC, and it isn't planned to, so far.
For trades there are 5 volumes of Ultimate Comics Spider-Man to read the first run of Miles USM
Yes
Miles is okay, just wish the series would find it's groove like Peter's run did.
googleplex
Member
Oh, man.......
The X-Men find out the Professor X has was hiding the existence of a Mutant with god like powers. But Xavier mind wiped him so that he wouldn't be a danger to the world. But now the Mutant is remembering his powers and accidentally wipes out a town. So Scott Summer tell everyone that they should just talk to the guy. No mind tricks to manipulation. Just tell him whats up and try to help the kid. The X-men and Shield basically call him stupid and to fuck off. Then they proceeds to try and mentally manipulate him. The Kid basically wrecks everyone shit and destroy the S.H.I.E.LD. helicarrier in seconds.
So Cyclops comes back and talks to the guy like a human being and offers to buy him breakfast. And surprise surprise...it works.
The X-Men find out the Professor X has was hiding the existence of a Mutant with god like powers. But Xavier mind wiped him so that he wouldn't be a danger to the world. But now the Mutant is remembering his powers and accidentally wipes out a town. So Scott Summer tell everyone that they should just talk to the guy. No mind tricks to manipulation. Just tell him whats up and try to help the kid. The X-men and Shield basically call him stupid and to fuck off. Then they proceeds to try and mentally manipulate him. The Kid basically wrecks everyone shit and destroy the S.H.I.E.LD. helicarrier in seconds.
So Cyclops comes back and talks to the guy like a human being and offers to buy him breakfast. And surprise surprise...it works.
Yes Beast...
Face it Tiger..
Banned
My how the cards fall when Wolvie takes a vacation.
I thought Storm was still hot shit.
I guess she took the L as a leader when she claimed T'Challa.
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