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[Wiktor]

Yeah, that's a fair point.

Still, any fight between them seems even more slanted than one between Bats and Supes. At least there you can buy into the idea that Bats can put up some kind of fight, however short and pointless it would ultimately be, but G.A against Flash?

He might trick him or just plain sucker punch him. Plenty of people already landed their shots on Barry. He still operates on human speed by default and just uses superspeed as boost,. And it makes sense. Otherwise his life would be a living nightmare and he would be unable to interact with any other human being.

You now what? I'm making a prediction about how Arrow will take down Barry. Barry will be a show off and will catch an arrow instead of dodging it and that arrow will explode/be sleep gas/electrocute him.

 

[Chariot]

You now what? I'm making a prediction about how Arrow will take down Barry. Barry will be a show off and will catch an arrow instead of dodging it and that arrow will explode/be sleep gas/electrocute him.

Sounds reasonable.

 

[Oregano]

There is also the point that Felicity at the least knows that Ice/cold slows Barry down. Ice arrows incoming?

 

[ZeroX03]

Would sleep gas even work on Barry? He's shown immense resistance to things like alcohol.

I'm guessing trip wires or something. Maybe some stealth. Barry has trouble fighting anyone with actual combat experience, he got bodied by Captain Cold and Oliver will probably have no trouble outsmarting him. They key is not to make yourself a super obvious target. This is not Barry anywhere close to his prime, versus Oliver at presumably his peak.

Yeah, that's a fair point.

Still, any fight between them seems even more slanted than one between Bats and Supes. At least there you can buy into the idea that Bats can put up some kind of fight, however short and pointless it would ultimately be, but G.A against Flash?

 

[Chariot]

Would sleep gas even work on Barry? He's shown immense resistance to things like alcohol.

Maybe that could be a point too. Olli having put strong enough sleep gas in there to knock a normal man out for the whole day is surprised when Barry shows up again a few minutes later. It's a crossover after all, so one alone won't get to make it.

 

[Joni]

Or, they just don't fight that much but are a bit angry at each other

 

[ZeroX03]

For people wondering why they fight, here's the official episode summary:

Spoiler

Barry is thrilled when Oliver, Felicity and Diggle come to Central City to investigate a case involving a deadly boomerang. Excited about teaming up with his friend, Barry asks Oliver if he'd like to help him stop Ray Bivolo, the meta-human Barry is currently tracking. Bivolo causes people to lose control of their emotions and has been using that skill to rob banks. Unfortunately, the superhero partnership doesn't go as smoothly as Barry expected. When Oliver tells Barry he still has a lot to learn, Barry sets out to prove him wrong by attempting to stop Bivolo alone. However, when Bivolo infects Barry and sets him on a rage rampage, everyone is in danger, and the only one who can stop him is the Arrow. Meanwhile, Iris is furious when Eddie tries to get a task force to stop The Flash, Joe and Dr. Wells agree the Arrow is a bad influence on Barry, and Caitlin and Cisco deal with a new team in S.T.A.R. Labs.

 

[Magwik]

The only way Olli can stop Barry is by threatening to fuck Iris.

 

[BronsonLee]

If you've been waiting for a chance to hear that "welcome to the new age" song another fifty thousand times (and the album), today is your lucky day.

LOOK GUYS
Now we can welcome EVERYONE to the New Age!

The only way Olli can stop Barry is by threatening to fuck Iris.

Why threaten when he can just do it? Barry ain't gonna hit that ever!

 

[Chariot]

For people wondering why they fight, here's the official episode summary:

Spoiler

Yeah, pretty much what I thought. Barry getting ahead of himself. But man, they do have no choice but to steal Batman/Superman plots

The only way Olli can stop Barry is by threatening to fuck Iris.

"I won't threaten to fuck Iris. I WILL fuck Iris."

 

[Cornballer]

- THR: 'Arrow,' 'Flash' Cast, Creators Preview Epic Crossover *spoilers*

 

[BodiesWithoutOrgans]

I love crossovers so much

 

[Magwik]

- THR: 'Arrow,' 'Flash' Cast, Creators Preview Epic Crossover *spoilers*

Spoiler

Sounds like we are getting Green Arrow? What other "big" thing can we expect aside from maybe Ollie's kid?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

- THR: 'Arrow,' 'Flash' Cast, Creators Preview Epic Crossover *spoilers*

This all sounds great.

And wow, the plans for Black Canary after the winter break...

Spoiler

Only Arrow characters Oliver, Felicity and Diggle head over to Central City in The Flash hour of the crossover, but Laurel — who is still reeling over the death of her sister and has started her own training — is mostly missing from the Arrow portion of the crossover, too. "Laurel appears in the Arrow episode," Kreisberg said. "She's not as present in these episodes, but that is because we've been building up to her appearance as the Black Canary. We sort of said that Sara was the Canary, but Laurel is the Black Canary. Episodes 10, 11 and 12 are a three-part trilogy that are about her. And episode 13 I think I can spoil, is called 'Canaries.' For fans of Laurel and for fans of Katie [Cassidy], they're going to get more than their fill after the winter break."

So at least they're devoting a big chunk of time to the Black Canary level up.

 

[ReiGun]

Laurel haters gonna seethe during those episodes.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Laurel haters gonna seethe during those episodes.

I'm amped for it. This better make up for sitting through the crap writing for Laurel in S1 and 2.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Laurel haters gonna seethe during those episodes.

Angry Laurel has been pretty attractive.

IDK

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Angry Laurel has been pretty attractive.

IDK

Season 3 Laurel has been pretty baller to date. I'm fucking excited for this.

I bet

Spoiler

her three episode arc throws her up against Brick, played by Vinnie Jones. They mentioned he'll be the villain of a three episode arc.

Fuck, I just realized this will essentially be a movie starring Black Canary.

Spoiler

It'll probably have a three act structure.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I wish they'd given Katie Cassidy less thankless material to work with, cause honestly... her character's arc is quite compelling. Season 2 was her rockbottom, she built herself up, another tragedy causes her trajectory to alter, leading her to become the Black Canary. Trauma after trauma after trauma until all that rage and despair gives birth to a dark avenging angel.

Edit: I mean, really... her life was ridiculously shitty. Her boyfriend is cheating on her with her sister, they both die. Her parents divorce in the interval. Her dad has an alcoholic breakdown before pulling himself back together. She falls in love with her boyfriend's best friend (who loved her), then her boyfriend comes back from the dead and shit is complicated. Her new boyfriend dumps her (cause he thinks she'd be happier without him), but then she inadvertently causes his death as he tries to rescue her, further throwing her into despair. Then, she picks up a pill and booze problem, her long-dead sister comes back, then she falls for the mayoral candidate who turns out to be a psycho and she becomes the protagonist of a Hitchcock flick and no one believes her that he's a murderously insane cult leader and everyone calls her crazy, and she loses her job. Has another breakdown and freakout. Eventually gets her shit together, comes back from the brink, things are good for a while and then her sister is murdered for real, and she has to keep it a secret from her family (for dumb reasons). Then, the first time she tries to attain justice for someone when the system fails her, she gets her ass kicked. She asks her friends to train her to fight, they refuse, and now she's being taught by a handsome boxer, and more shit is coming her way.

Wow.

 

[The Outsider]

Laurel has actually been handled really well this season. Definitely the most I've ever liked her character... which isn't saying much, but still.

 

[brotkasten]

They should do the cool thing and split the last episode of her three episode trilogy into two parts.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Okay, so I think I have an idea what we're building to... speculation here:

Spoiler

By the end of the mid-season finale, we will know who murdered Sara. Oliver will be taken out of commission by Ra's. Laurel will be left alone in Starling to face off against Brick (Vinnie Jones), who will "bring the government of Starling City to its knees" and she'll fully become the Black Canary (and Arsenal will assist her). Meanwhile, Oliver will be fighting for his survival in a foreign land, and will be away from Starling, probably in a TDKR-esque scenario ("The Climb").

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

As someone who doesn't follow comics, I get where you're coming from. Palmer being a good guy seems so weird at this point, even though I love everything about the character. He's easily the best thing about season 3. But boy, does he seem shady and super creepy.

I don´t read comics either, and if it was not for this thread, i would he is shady and evil.

Nothing can stop the Olicity Train!

Barrycity>Ollicity

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Palmer seems like a GAFer who struck it lucky and became rich.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Honestly, this season has set up a lot of cool stuff, despite the opening episodes being weak.

- Oliver, Malcolm, and Ra's are headed to a major conflict that will probably leave

Spoiler

Oliver fucked up around the midseason.

- Laurel's rise as the Black Canary and

Spoiler

her ensuing conflict while Oliver is "gone"

- Palmer's mysterious plans for Starling and how the ATOM suit plays a part into that.

- What exactly Thea and Malcolm are up to.

- Cupid being in the Suicide Squad and their return later on (since we know Captain Boomerang will be involved and

Spoiler

is a former ARGUS agent

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

The only way Olli can stop Barry is by threatening to fuck Iris.

Spoiler

Yeah, pretty much what I thought. Barry getting ahead of himself. But man, they do have no choice but to steal Batman/Superman plots

"I won't threaten to fuck Iris. I WILL fuck Iris."

I'd kill to see this. I'd die laughing.

 

[Wiktor]

Would sleep gas even work on Barry? He's shown immense resistance to things like alcohol.

I'm sure they have some super strong sedatives. They managed to knock out mirakured Roy permanently after all and Mist poisoned Barry heavily too. They can propably use something that would kill twenty men and just have it put Barry down for a while.
Some sort of ice/glue arrows are another examples.

Good opportunity for Oliver to expand his armory of trick arrows. Against ordinary humans the few he has are enough, but wide wariety of bizzare arrows is what alway allowed Green Arrow to fight some of the lower metaumans

 

[Wiktor]

Trilogy of Laurel centric episodes? Lord have mercy on us

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

The crossover is so hype. HYPE.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Trilogy of Laurel centric episodes? Lord have mercy on us

It's gonna be the make-it-or-break-it moment.

 

[Wiktor]

It's gonna be the make-it-or-break-it moment.

Can't we have her die while attempting those superheroics? Showing boxing classes just aren't enough? They could have then just get Thea to become a new Canary, since she's actually trained by Malcolm.

Willa in blonde would be fun to watch

 

[call_kotaku]

I gotta say the scene with Laurel sparring actually looked pretty decent, as opposed to the first sparring scene earlier in the season when she looked like she was flailing like a drunk.

Maybe it's intentional

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I can't wait for Season 4 when Black Canary and Red Hood go head-to-head.

 

[Wiktor]

I can't wait for Season 4 when Black Canary and Red Hood go head-to-head.

She will be tracking a serial killer of criminals and on each murder scene she will find a set of bloodied legal papers.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

She will be tracking a serial killer of criminals and on each murder scene she will find a set of bloodied legal papers.

Oooooh clap clap clap. That's genius.

 

[Wozzly]

She will be tracking a serial killer of criminals and on each murder scene she will find a set of bloodied legal papers.

The Black Canary then begins to be tortured by the legal papers she couldn't save. You're on to something. I like it!

 

[Klyka]

I gotta say the scene with Laurel sparring actually looked pretty decent, as opposed to the first sparring scene earlier in the season when she looked like she was flailing like a drunk.

Maybe it's intentional

You mean they would intentionnally show a chracter being bad at something and then after some training showing that character with improved skill, telling the audience she is getting better?

No way.

 

[V_Arnold]

Trilogy of Laurel centric episodes? Lord have mercy on us

I will love it, you will hate it, and I will watch it knowing that you guys are HATING it, so it will be even better!

 

[Klyka]

I want Laurel as Canary to do tons of flips and every one of them takes out a bad guy or looks awesome.

Then a cut to a crying Roy.

 

[call_kotaku]

You mean they would intentionnally show a chracter being bad at something and then after some training showing that character with improved skill, telling the audience she is getting better?

No way.

This is Laurel we're talking about

 

[jon bones]

laurel trilogy? woof

 

[neoanarch]

I just realized Sin has been conspicuously absent all season. I'll bet she ends up being the brainwashed killer.

 

[strafer]

I just realized Sin has been conspicuously absent all season. I'll bet she ends up being the brainwashed killer.

Sin is Harley Quinn.

 

[TheOddOne]

Trilogy of Laurel centric episodes? Lord have mercy on us

 

[brotkasten]

I just realized Sin has been conspicuously absent all season. I'll bet she ends up being the brainwashed killer.

That could be the worst way to handle the situation. She's not even a real character.

 

[Starkster]

Oh please. People are acting like it's going to end the show. Why can't anyone just deal with the fact that Laurel is BC now?

 

[Wiktor]

Oh please. People are acting like it's going to end the show. Why can't anyone just deal with the fact that Laurel is BC now?

Because Laurel sucks.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Oh please. People are acting like it's going to end the show. Why can't anyone just deal with the fact that Laurel is BC now?

I've no idea.

I mean in terms of the show, Oliver just stole Yao Fei's entire gimmick of an archer with a hood. And yet nobody calls him on that. Laurel's just following in Oliver's plagiarizing motherfucker footsteps.

 

[Chariot]

Oh please. People are acting like it's going to end the show. Why can't anyone just deal with the fact that Laurel is BC now?

It's not gonna end the show, but it will be a difficult time. Laurel is so ... Laurel. I would rather have a Diggle triology. He is an interesting character with a backstory that can be further explored, the story about his brother and Deadshot isn't completed yet and he could do more stuff with Argus and the Suicide Squad.

 

[Cetra]

3 Laurel-centric episodes? Seriously? GDI... She's the most obnoxious and worst written character of any of the shows I'm watching. Anytime she's om the screen is a moment I'm looking something up on my iPad or grabbing a fresh cup of tea. I love Katie Cassidy, she's a fantastic actress but this show does absolutely no good with her. If they can turn that around, then great. But so far... I'm not optimistic.