Says you. Answering a disgusting crime with more disgusting crime doesn't seem rational to say the least. It doesn't advance national dialogue, it halts it.
That you think this would help is troubling to say the least.
Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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Says you. Answering a disgusting crime with more disgusting crime doesn't seem rational to say the least. It doesn't advance national dialogue, it halts it.
That you think this would help is troubling to say the least.
ramuh
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This.
Totally agree with this. Rioting, destroying other people's property, maybe physical violence. It doesn't add up to anything that would make it better. Get out and vote the people who should be representing you.
Pathetic. You can't respond to me, so you use my words to attack others? Absolutely deplorable.
timetokill
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Nobody said there "aren't any more problems." There are tons of problems.
There's no panacea for these types of problems. You asked if things had improved or not, and they definitely have since the 90s.
jakonovski
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What was the old saying, there's no MLK without Malcolm X, and vice versa.
Thing is nobody wants cops to die. Even people who want riots just want attention to be placed on the city and for things to change.
NegroNinja
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Well since peaceful protests haven't worked what do you suggest they do?
The Technomancer
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After fifty+ years of that not working when should people expect it to kick in?
LordAzrael
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No, I was just mocking you. I was agreeing with him. Rioting won't help things, but since MLK jr. said it...
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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There are still problems in South LA, but not as it was in the early 90s. From everything I've come to know, the police presence back then was sheer state sponsored terror.
Is this what people mean when they say someone is moving goal posts..?
As riots lead to change in l.a?
So now youre saying you meant did the riot stop all police violence? All instances? But you would know thats statistically impossible, so why would you mean that?
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Angry, if irrational, reaction to state sponsored terror is not a crime.
ramuh
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When they freaking vote. Low turnout= not electing people you want representing you.
NegroNinja
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I think it works like AARP just gotta keep waiting brah.
Absolutely. Why wouldn't I? Would I be afraid of my stuff being damaged? Yeah, but I see the benefits of it.
That doesn't even make sense.
The Lamonster
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Seeing clowns at a circus should be no surprise. CNN is entertainment news, just like all those cable networks.
PHOENIXZERO
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"If they're white, they're alright. If they're brown, gun'em down."
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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"I, as a white Liberal, respect your right to be violently racist, because subjugating people is the ultimate expression of freedom."
Oh, so you're ignorant enough to think this is the proper time and place for that?
Might I recommend you read Proverbs 17:28?
dave is ok
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Sure it does. You're advocating for a riot in a place where you wouldn't be affected by the property damage and destruction of the livelihoods of your neighbors, family and friends and you plan on staying in and watching it on TV.
MoodyFog
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How Many Cops Does It Take to Change a Light Bulb?
None. They just beat the room for being black
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
Stay safe Ferguson
Well that's my point isn't it. The riots didn't stop police violence against african americans. Yet people here think that's the answer. When we all know, it isn't.
Cable news is one of the worst things to ever happen to the U.S. Just look at what happened to Headline News...oh I'm sorry, it's HLN now. Cable news is sensationalist garbage.
It's funny. Here in Greenville, we had riots on Halloween for no reason. We're a mainly white campus and that's who rioted in the Riverwalk area because people just got liquored up. People destroyed a lot of property, damaged a lot of homes and cars, and even broke all the windows on one of our college's buses.
One arrest from the riot, police just let it burn and cleaned up the day after.
All police presence was downtown "keeping the peace" where it was mainly black people walking around. No trouble whatsoever.
One arrest from the riot, police just let it burn and cleaned up the day after.
All police presence was downtown "keeping the peace" where it was mainly black people walking around. No trouble whatsoever.
Tired of this "well just show up to vote" meme. We should take the fact that municipal election turnout is so low as a failure of the system; if it's so demonstrably bad at picking representatives why do we still use it? It's not like Fergusson's the only small town in America with consistently low municipal election turnout.
Dude Abides
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It means you're advocating putting other people's property and safety at risk while you stay safe and snug behind your keyboard.
You know, this is bullshit.
No, things are not perfect. Yes, there is rampant racism in this country... Sadly, it's at the very fabric of our culture and it's very difficult to change. But to make the argument that peaceful protest has 'done nothing' to advance the black person's position in society is as ridiculous as it is incorrect. Are we just going to ignore that only 50 years ago there were still separate bathrooms, seats on the bus, restaurants, etc that segregated people solely on race?
Obviously there are still huge issues that need to be addressed. But to say that 'they haven't worked' is intellectually dishonest, to say the least.
Chie Satonaka
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Point out that violence and rioting has lead to significant social change multiple times in history, and is responsible for the founding of this country where the incident is taking place:
"That's different because reasons."
Point out that Martin Luther King talked about rioting as the voice of the unheard:
"I'm going to mock you and dismiss that idea, because rioting is APPALLING!!!111"
Ask for a way things can change:
"Get out and vote!"
Explain that voting in elections has not and will not change paradigms that have been part of this country since it's inception, and that suggesting such is ignoring and handwaving the actual issue:
*ignores it* "GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!"
And people wonder why people of color feel so fucking hopeless.
"That's different because reasons."
Point out that Martin Luther King talked about rioting as the voice of the unheard:
"I'm going to mock you and dismiss that idea, because rioting is APPALLING!!!111"
Ask for a way things can change:
"Get out and vote!"
Explain that voting in elections has not and will not change paradigms that have been part of this country since it's inception, and that suggesting such is ignoring and handwaving the actual issue:
*ignores it* "GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!"
And people wonder why people of color feel so fucking hopeless.
I dont vote for not being murdered by police. Nor does anyone else.
Which is why suggesting this is a voting problem is ridiculous.
Are non minorities more likely to kill black people? Nope. So why should voting change the fact that police need cameras on them, and they need to be held accountable when they kill any people. The police problem is nation wide.
Having your people murdered and thrown in jail isn't due to a vote count. You grasp this concept, yes?
Non minorities and people in general support civil rights as well. Nothing that a vote will change. Unless the person running has a campaign that says "if you vote for me ill kill x # of black people."
Then you might have a point. But you dont. So..
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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And they didn't get rid of those things by asking nicely.
And asking nicely hasn't prevented the creeping segregation from returning.
"Don't shoot people" has never been a ballot option.
ramuh
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Now that is stupid. Rioting equals Rioting. Should be dealt with the same applied force. Don't let any rioters destroy property etc. Arrest the troublemakers.
It's bad because of the low turnout. No system is going to work if nobody uses it.
starwarsfan541
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This is very true, my almost entirely rural white town of at least 3 thousand had turnout of 9 people in the last mayor election.
In the general event, I have conflicting feelings on the incident
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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You can't force people to participate in a system they have no faith in.
Your point being? So every time I say somebody should protest, I should travel to that location and partake? You're telling me when this has the potential to personally affect me, I shouldn't endorse it? That is fucking stupid.
Ummm do you know what unnapposed means? It means the system didn't pick out anything. It let the first person pick their position because no one else wanted the job. East St Louis is a black town ran by black people with a mostly black police force. No one is getting shot by white cops there.
So due to a low turn out, police are shooting people? And if blacks voted more, police wouldn't shoot them as much?
This is some magical logic to witness.
Voting, in any form, has something to do with nation wide police abuse and targetting of minorities.
I mean, I won't say "really?" Because youre not alone in this thread with this flimsy logic.
The Technomancer
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We are, in all likelyhood, about to release a cop who shot down an unarmed black man in broad daylight in front of eyewitnesses and left his body for hours by the side of the road without even going to trial. And this is not some rare occurrence, this is s persistent and pervasive pattern of behavior happening constantly across the country. This is more than "a big problem that remains", this is a fundamentally horrifying injustice.
So you're insinuating that violent riots and threats of violence brought about these changes? Because most historians would disagree with you.
You sound like you don't give two shits about race relations and just want something exciting to watch on TV tonight.
NegroNinja
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Are we just gonna ignore the fact those protestors were also physically assaulted during those "peaceful protests". I'm sure you would've suggested that they get out and vote while being spit on and having dogs sent on them as well?
But the important thing is the outcomes. Regardless of why it does so, this system consistently produces bad outcomes.
You're already forced to participate in the system by living there. If you don't have faith in it, change it. You don't like the people representing you, pick someone else, or run yourself. The system can be changed for the better, you just have to work for it.
Okay. Never argued that point, actually agree with you.
That really has nothing to do with my reply to you, does it?
Another one! Who are you talking to? Not me, since I have no fucking idea what that has to do with my reply. No, we shouldn't ignore that protestors were met with physical violence. It's appalling and disgusting. That last bit there some nice sensationalism, but also completely irrelevant.
The point was very simple, but apparently lost-- You can't pretend that peaceful protest simply doesn't work when it has brought about tremendous change. I get that it doesn't fit the narrative, but it's worked in the past. Not just in this country but others throughout history.
Yeah, my posts sure indicate that, huh? Your idea of voting was very progressive for us black people BTW.
They Ignored press members being assaulted at those peace rallies. What do you think? Its this weird idea that police can do no wrong. And out of everyone, they are last on the list, if on the list at all, of instructions for black people to stop getting themselves shot.
CrazyDogg77
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It's not rational. It's human. Why can we accept the fact that over in Egypt, Syria, or Ukraine people can only take so much before a drastic action is taken. All those places seem so far away. So foreign but Ferguson's right here in the good ol U S of A. If drastic change goes on here all the people saying maintain peace might have to move out of their comfort zone. They might have to be a little uncomfortable. The Middle East though you can just watch that and put human rights violations in a different box: that't the domain "they" work in. In Missouri though that's something completely different that's close to home so we get the idea that it's not that bad -matter of fact it's the fault of the people being oppressed that they are being oppressed; if only the voted more, got representation everything would be ok. When you can abscond all responsibility for a problem that's pretty convenient huh, and that's exactly what's going on now and has been going on since the Civil Rights Movement. The idea that we've made so much progress is toxic when we open our eyes and realize black lives still don't hold as much value and credence in American society as they should.
Did I ever say lack of voting causes police to shoot people? I don't remember saying that. But I will say this. Voting affects the hiring standards for the police.
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