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CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)
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EricTheRed
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He just lost to them. He didn't put any of them over as they were already over beforehand.
Which is the sort of self-serving garbage WWE tells itself. He absolutely was good enough, they didn't give him a chance because they didn't "choose him".
Their choice for "next top guy" is Roman Reigns. They will promote him as beingas good as Rock, Taker, Cena. Is he? Not even a bit. He's not even at midcard level talent wise. But because they have chosen him, they will pretend he is, just like they pretended Bryan or Punk weren't.
Dark Ninja
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EricTheRed
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WWE is attempting to appeal to kids though, not middle-aged men on the internet.
And they're failing, given their actual real, demographics.
Also, Daniel Bryan was not some "internet nerd favourite" by 2014, he was loved up and down the fanbase, men, women, adults, kids. That sounds like a guy you should push.
EricTheRed
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As far as I'm aware they were still profitable (until they launched the network at least). I think in the long term scrapping PPV's may come back to bite them in the ass though.
Hence why the WWE Network is doing horrible and the ratings are dropping as weeks go by.
EricTheRed
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Because I'm trying to have a debate on a message board? Find one instance where I resorted to insults.
"Profitable", thanks to extensive corporate deals, sponsorships, inflation and high ticket prices.
Not thanks to WWE being mainstream or hot. They are decidedly NOT hot.
But CM Punk got them mainstream attention, for the first time in years. Something John Cena sure didn't do. Their response was not to foster it and push him, it was to put HHH over Punk and kill his momentum, then continuously book him as second to Cena.
Self-fulfilling prophecy. "I don't want this guy on top. So I don't push him. Look he isn't getting over, I was right to not push him!".
Fans buying into this rhetoric is just sad.
And they're doing a horrible job. There's no reason they can't appeal to both by using the talent in an intelligent fashion. Punk would have been capable of doing exactly that if they'd given him a proper chance. The summer of Punk proves that.
But noooooooo. Kevin Nash is much more important.
Bryan brings a energy that's lacking in the WWE right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttiGTC5B2gg
This is an example of how over this man is...the crowd popped like it was 1998 all over again.
Perspicacity
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You're deliberately ignoring the points made by other posters and attacking strawmen then acting like a victim when you're called on it.
The Bookerman
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My thoughts on all of this:
I feel bad for Punk seriously, crazy asshole stuff being done to him.
I hate Ryback as a character("Feed me more" seems like a bad off shoot of "Who's next?"). After hearing all those stories about him , I Guess Maffew should do a Ryback-amania.
As for Triple H, not surprised he would do shit like that, reminds me of Nash booking himself has the guy who beat goldberg's streak.
As for the WWE network/royalties for wrestlers.... I wonder if that shit's been figured out yet.
I feel bad for Punk seriously, crazy asshole stuff being done to him.
I hate Ryback as a character("Feed me more" seems like a bad off shoot of "Who's next?"). After hearing all those stories about him , I Guess Maffew should do a Ryback-amania.
As for Triple H, not surprised he would do shit like that, reminds me of Nash booking himself has the guy who beat goldberg's streak.
As for the WWE network/royalties for wrestlers.... I wonder if that shit's been figured out yet.
I don't think Reigns will make it at all. I'm just saying how WWE will promote him. Never said it would work.
EricTheRed
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember the 'pipe bomb' gaining mainstream attention purely because it reminded people of the Attitude Era.
I understand your point, but Daniel Bryan proved that if you are over enough and have the talent to go with it, then you will headline WrestleMania regardless of whether they cotton onto your popularity at first or not. Bryan to me is a billion times more suited to being a WWE maineventer than Punk ever was.
Sibersk Esto
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Let's see if Bryan even has a main event career before we say that
EricTheRed
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I've justified every point I've been called out on and what has being a victim got to do with anything? Just thought I'd give a different perspective as I wasn't really agreeing with what I was reading on here.
EricTheRed
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If he never wrestles another match in his life, he's still done what CM Punk has been bitching about being held back from, namely headlining WrestleMania.
So you missed the part where WWE had zero intention of putting Bryan in that spot, and that the plan was Orton vs Batista?
Punk leaving changed their plans forcibly.
Also, you're now just dismissing the mainstream attention (again, the first WWE had gotten in many years) as not mattering? He was all over news and websites, with a potentially huge, unique story, and all you can say is "meh, doesn't matter it just got attention for reminding them of the biggest drawing period in wrestling history".
Sibersk Esto
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Good thing Bryan feuded with HHH
EricTheRed
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The way I saw it, the backlash from Bryan being left out of the Rumble match led WWE to chance its mainevent plans. Wasn't Punk originally scheduled to face HHH at mania and thus would of still been left out of the mainevent?
Maybe I'm downplaying how much of an impact the 'pipe bomb' had. What I do know though is that Bryan being left out of the Rumble match this year made the BBC website here in the UK.
Stephanie McMahon refers to "CM Punk" chants : http://youtu.be/3TIAUW2IG2Q
DoktorEvil
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poor kofi
Does the WWE not have a single fucking clue what to do with Kofi?
Sibersk Esto
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he's a serviceable gymnast with terrible mic skills. I don't think they're "sleeping" on Kofi
Hidden One
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I wonder how this will all pan out. WWE can't avoid it now that it's getting so much attention.
It's a New Day for Kofi, friend.
Hidden One
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We all know this won't last a year.
funkystudent
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poor kofi
If that stable isnt building to a major swerve I seriously hope some big main stream outlets put WWE on blast for its super racist booking some more.
Lets pile on the bad press.
A year? This stable is gonna get shitcanned in 3 weeks.
Something funny, Fox International has a deal with WWE for their programming on Latin America, aka Fox Action for PPV and Fox Sports LA for RAW and SD.
This pill can be hard to swallow for WWE. And I like it.
Eh, considering how much of the media that fuck Murdoch owns, you're probably going to be on one of his networks somewhere in the world. It won't affect anything.
Buckethead
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Do we know why JR left?
I always thought that was weird
I always thought that was weird
It's not like this will hurt WWE. Their product has been garbage for years and the fans still watch. This will simply get Punk more mainstream exposure.
Sibersk Esto
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WWE has treated him like shit for years, both in the ring and behind the scenes. Hell Jerry Lawler is closer to Vince than JR was and Lawler has a bunch of skeezy shit attached to him.
The straw that broke the camels back is attributed to the WWE 2k14 press conference, where Ric Flair was shitfaced and JR was blamed for not reigning him in
ChosenPredator
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I have a sudden interest to listen to austin/jericho/JRs podcast on this if they even touch on it
I always thought that was a dumb reason. Nobody else would have reigned him in either.
Sibersk Esto
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Austin is interviewing Vince on the WWE network. Unless he's explicitly told not to bring it up (Austin podcasts can get candid but this will be on the network) it might be touched on
dr3upmushroom
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I stopped watching wrestling in like '05-'06, one of the only guys I regret not watching during their run is Punk. I listened to him on WTF with Marc Maron, and he was a really likable guy who sticks to his guns.
Buckethead
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I thought that was damning. JR is so crucial to the company voice.
Perspicacity
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Your "perspective" is that you don't like Punk. Ultimately you try to justify it but your first post in here really has nothing to do with the podcast:
His importance is irrelevant to the actual discussion we were having, but because you brought it up people questioned you on it. A few made the point that there is a huge disparity in the level of booking certain stars get, you didn't deny that but rather said that Punk never deserved better booking because he looked like a child. His looks have nothing to do with the general topic of booking.
You claimed that his fans were due to him "exposing the business", which Ithil questioned and you waved the question off immediately without addressing at all. Then you attributed the success of Punk's promo to the "attitude era" which is just a wild swing at further trying to de-legitimize Punk.
The thing is, no one cares that your opinion on him personally has nothing to do with the larger concerns he is raising, so trying to hammer your opinion in here is trolling whether you pretend it is or not.
He refused to cover for a drunk Ric Flair in front of an audience during an event for 2K14. He already wasn't announcing anymore or on TV.
It's...
Brock winning to set up a rematch makes perfect sense. Brock winning with no rematch... that's a little weak.
TheXfactor
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i personally thought he brought a loud crowd, but brought nothing else to the table. The attendance stayed the same when he won the title, and the ratings and buys decreased from the year previous again when he won the title. I don't blame him for that, thats more of a wwe relevance issue because their buys and ratings have been going down for a while. but I never thought he was the savior fans thought he was
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