CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)

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Matts Legacy said:
So anyone have any thoughts on this persons theory with Punk and his whole treatment? This guy thinks there's holes in Punks story.

http://www.thewrestlingmania.com/articles/big-hole-cm-punk-podcast/

The Big Hole in the CM Punk Podcast
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If what this guy says is true, all it means is that the doctor, instead of being rubbish at his job and misdiagnosing Punk with a fatty deposit, decided to withhold the official diagnosis to Punk and treat him for the real problem anyway. Can I believe this is the case? Yeah, because his other accusations regarding the doctor shows a willing to sweep problems under the rug in order to make sure the wrestler is compliant in going out and doing his job.

If the Doctor comes out and says “You have a major life threatening infection” Punk isn’t going to wrestle, but he if tells him it’s a harmless problem and does the real treatment anyway, he can hopefully heal him up without any chance of Punk refusing to work.
 
TommyTosser;140727169 Seems relevant. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr8mfBRsD2s" said:
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I remember watching and thinking it can't get better than this.
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Holy shit.

Punk wrecked him, but Rock wasn't really his best there. Rock just doesn't seem as interesting as he used to be before he left for Hollywood and I don't really blame him.

Attitude era Rock vs Punk would be no contest. Rock would demolish his candy ass...
 
Matts Legacy said:
So anyone have any thoughts on this persons theory with Punk and his whole treatment? This guy thinks there's holes in Punks story.

http://www.thewrestlingmania.com/articles/big-hole-cm-punk-podcast/

The Big Hole in the CM Punk Podcast
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Even going with that whole theory, it means that the WWE doctors knew that it was a staph infection (not a virus) that he had that is very contagious and still allowed him to wrestle. There is absolutely no excuse for that sort of "treatment."
 
DonasaurusRex said:
No i said he could've been a popular character and solid merchandise seller for the company regardless of his short comings. How did you comprehend my post as him being put in the same class as Hogan. I pointed out shortcomings other successful wrestlers had and still succeeded, those two couldn't wrestle either, and yet they made a living just fine in the wrestling business. Its showmanship above all, Ryder played the hand delt him , flopped a royal flush and so then WWE fuckin flipped the table over.
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Okay, firstly... yes, Hogan could wrestle. He had some choice matches against Flair, Vader and Savage. And a fantastic steel cage match against Big Boss Man. Not to mention how in terms of working the crowd, he's without peer. So yeah, I'd say he's infinitely better than Ryder in the ring. And while Warrior wasn't great, he had some fantastic matches with Rick Rude and Randy Savage.

As for why they made a living, they were both ridiculously charismatic and, here's the kicker, had the IT factor to succeed. Even when they had goofy booking, they got it over. Ryder couldn't, and instead of him going off and fixing his flaws he'd rather whine about how unfair it is. Sure the guy was in a shitty main event angle, but it was still a main event angle - and he displayed fuck all charisma, likeability or superstar qualities. So no, I don't think they fucked him - I think he fucked himself by just plain not trying to get it over.
 
Dirtyshubb said:
If what this guy says is true, all it means is that the doctor, instead of being rubbish at his job and misdiagnosing Punk with a fatty deposit, decided to withhold the official diagnosis to Punk and treat him for the real problem anyway. Can I believe this is the case? Yeah, because his other accusations regarding the doctor shows a willing to sweep problems under the rug in order to make sure the wrestler is compliant in going out and doing his job.

If the Doctor comes out and says “You have a major life threatening infection” Punk isn’t going to wrestle, but he if tells him it’s a harmless problem and does the real treatment anyway, he can hopefully heal him up without any chance of Punk refusing to work.
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Manbig said:
Even going with that whole theory, it means that the WWE doctors knew that it was a staph infection (not a virus) that he had that is very contagious and still allowed him to wrestle. There is absolutely no excuse for that sort of "treatment."
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This is what I was thinking as well. It still feels shady either way and there practices not justified. I really seen no reason for Punk to lie about something like this because if he wanted he could take legal action for this.
 
Matts Legacy said:
This is what I was thinking as well. It still feels shady either way and there practices not justified. I really seen no reason for Punk to lie about something like this because if he wanted he could take legal action for this.
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And it may even have been part of his case. He's not allowed to talk about the details of the settlement.
 
TommyTosser said:
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Seems relevant.
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I remember watching and thinking it can't get better than this.
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that was great, but hey its Punk what did you expect.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Okay, firstly... yes, Hogan could wrestle. He had some choice matches against Flair, Vader and Savage. And a fantastic steel cage match against Big Boss Man. Not to mention how in terms of working the crowd, he's without peer. So yeah, I'd say he's infinitely better than Ryder in the ring. And while Warrior wasn't great, he had some fantastic matches with Rick Rude and Randy Savage.

As for why they made a living, they were both ridiculously charismatic and, here's the kicker, had the IT factor to succeed. Even when they had goofy booking, they got it over. Ryder couldn't, and instead of him going off and fixing his flaws he'd rather whine about how unfair it is. Sure the guy was in a shitty main event angle, but it was still a main event angle - and he displayed fuck all charisma, likeability or superstar qualities. So no, I don't think they fucked him - I think he fucked himself by just plain not trying to get it over.
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Thats beside the point the FANS ALREADY ACCEPTED RYDER. Omg no one said EVERYONE , everywhere at everytime liked EVERYTHING about Ryder. People noticed, hey this guy has a lot of fans responding to him, give him some time to work that and build up a base. You're still looking at it like people wanted him to have the belt and be the guy, no we wanted him to be on tv (because of how good his youtube was) and be Zack fucking Ryder. The whole point was he couldn't even get a match on tv , and why not? The product was stale the promo's were stale the matches were stale, why not? The response was obvious people enjoyed seeing the character.

If they didnt want him winning over people they could make him an opportune champion with fluke wins till he got knocked out by someone that could use the win, then at least he could've gone on to another aspect of the character, he had a built in fan base. Just a wasted opportunity to add a popular character to the portfolio at the end of the day, they could be making money off of Zack Ryder as a popular character that gets the crowd hype, but no the WWE has their way.

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DonasaurusRex said:
that was great, but hey its Punk what did you expect.
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Agreed. First time I've watched it since it happened. Maybe even better than I originally thought, even with The Rock being his same sterile self since he came back.

There was some "tension" there that felt legitimate and made you want to see them fight. Most main events nowadays on the mic and in the ring feel manufactured.
 
Well listening to the podcast I can understand why Punk won't ever come back. Maybe a long time down the line, but not anytime in the near future. If what all he says is true, that's not shit you can get over quick.
 
Skip out on WrassleGAF for a few days and this is what I miss huh.

I can't get the podcast to download onto my phone. Is the server or whatever getting hammered still or something? I download my podcasts via BeyondPod on Android, keep getting errors.
 
HeisenbergLannister said:
Agreed. First time I've watched it since it happened. Maybe even better than I originally thought, even with The Rock being his same sterile self since he came back.

There was some "tension" there that felt legitimate and made you want to see them fight. Most main events nowadays on the mic and in the ring feel manufactured.
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Yeah after the God comment Rock demeanor changed I think he liked what Punk said and that he took it to that level. His comment right after was basically yeah you got me, but in 20 days times up bitch. A good reaction . Punk well i'll be checking out his Thor run.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
Thats beside the point the FANS ALREADY ACCEPTED RYDER. Omg no one said EVERYONE , everywhere at everytime liked EVERYTHING about Ryder. People noticed, hey this guy has a lot of fans responding to him, give him some time to work that and build up a base. You're still looking at it like people wanted him to have the belt and be the guy, no we wanted him to be on tv (because of how good his youtube was) and be Zack fucking Ryder. The whole point was he couldn't even get a match on tv , and why not? The product was stale the promo's were stale the matches were stale, why not? The response was obvious people enjoyed seeing the character.

If they didnt want him winning over people they could make him an opportune champion with fluke wins till he got knocked out by someone that could use the win, then at least he could've gone on to another aspect of the character, he had a built in fan base. Just a wasted opportunity to add a popular character to the portfolio at the end of the day, they could be making money off of Zack Ryder as a popular character that gets the crowd hype, but no the WWE has their way.

9.99
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You know what happens if Zach Ryder actually had an inherent star quality, talent and charisma (note that charisma doesn't equal mic skill)? Daniel Bryan.

All the same things happened, including the WWE trying to sabotage it. The difference is Bryan carries himself like a star. Ryder carries himself like the Woo woo guy.
 
Oh and I would just like to say I am super happy for Colt Cabana.

Dude found a groove and making a decent living without the big companies.

Also he did a great job hosting this interview. It could have easily been just 2 hours of stroking Punks ego but he did a good job as the interviewer creating counter points.


I am curious if WWE will let other wrestlers on his show again now. Those guys can be bitter bees when they want.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Okay, firstly... yes, Hogan could wrestle. He had some choice matches against Flair, Vader and Savage. And a fantastic steel cage match against Big Boss Man. Not to mention how in terms of working the crowd, he's without peer. So yeah, I'd say he's infinitely better than Ryder in the ring. And while Warrior wasn't great, he had some fantastic matches with Rick Rude and Randy Savage.

As for why they made a living, they were both ridiculously charismatic and, here's the kicker, had the IT factor to succeed. Even when they had goofy booking, they got it over. Ryder couldn't, and instead of him going off and fixing his flaws he'd rather whine about how unfair it is. Sure the guy was in a shitty main event angle, but it was still a main event angle - and he displayed fuck all charisma, likeability or superstar qualities. So no, I don't think they fucked him - I think he fucked himself by just plain not trying to get it over.
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You have to protect wrestlers and show their best side so you can get the best out of them. Ryder was fucking over, they should've built on that instead of putting him on a shitty angle and then barely using them.

Ryder didn't have to be WWE champion but he could've been someone instead of not being on RAW.

If you expect every wrestler to be like Bryan then you will have no main-eventers that WWE didn't choose because being over like he did despite everything is something that only a few can do it.

This whole "Bryan was mis-used but stayed over therefor everyone that is good can do it" is bullshit. What Bryan did won't be replicated often (if ever) and you can't just use guys that do that.

If someone is over you use them and build on them and make money off of them instead of pushing the guy you like even if it isn't working.
 
funkystudent said:
They should have many tiers of talent and stories going on. Instead you have Cena, people wrestling Cena, And everyone else. The concept of Mid / Lower card barely exists now. Its all just directionless filler and Cena.
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This was the best thing Russo did when he was writing, for all the other nonsense, he made sure that everyone had something to do.
 
Man, Punk really puts the company on blast here. Kind of feel bad for Ryback, though. He got crushed by Punk even when Cobana kind of told him to lay off.

I KNEW Punk was still upset about putting HHH over at NoC. That was the dumbest booking I have seen in some time. No one has ever been as hot as Punk was at that time in recent memory. You have to go back to Austin at his prime. And to have him lose to HHH was just pathetic.

I disagree with how Punk handled some things in this interview. It was more shooty than it needed to be, but man, I do sympathize for him. Messing with the guy's health is bad news. I agree with Punk, though, he deserved a main event as the champion at WM. You can tell me he really worked hard at being the champ. He became a totally different person. Shame WWE didn't realize his sacrifice. The company did give him a long run but I think it was a bit of a slap in the face to have him drop the belt to Rock. I would have had him drop it at Mania to Cena or Bryan that summer.
 
Matts Legacy said:
So anyone have any thoughts on this persons theory with Punk and his whole treatment? This guy thinks there's holes in Punks story.

http://www.thewrestlingmania.com/articles/big-hole-cm-punk-podcast/

The Big Hole in the CM Punk Podcast
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That's not a hole. If you have a hospital resistant staph strain that's life threatening by itself. Being dehydrated from being on the wrong course of antibiotics takes a bad situation and makes it worse.

I think this misses the whole point as well, which is that the guy's beat himself half to death (literally) and nobody seemed to give a shit. The concussion was just the final straw and he lost it.
 
whats the date of the settlement compared to the day that vince annouced the wwe network being free for november. that giant reset button they just pulled has me believing what punk said is true. they don't need to lose even more STOCK HOLDERS from the obvious truth that the family needs to stay out of the business and just hold on to it for name sake.

flip side. punk does complain alot about how much he deserves. but its not money,its the lack of respect and slap to the face constantly. punk could of said no a bunch of times. but he did it for the money. now he knows its definitely not worth it working with morons.

i wonder if he would rather open his league once heyman leaves,or just work for another promotion. maybe el reys since its based in l.a. or gfw so he can truly say hes best in the world.

they need the confidence of the fans back fast. better get that contract ready for samao joe. squash reigns and start billing him instead.

also i wonder who sent the fedex letter. vince,hhh,or steph. my money's on hhh. he clearly puts his friends over. road dogg at wrestlemania. what a joke.
 
kiguel182 said:
You have to protect wrestlers and show their best side so you can get the best out of them. Ryder was fucking over, they should've built on that instead of putting him on a shitty angle and then barely using them.

Ryder didn't have to be WWE champion but he could've been someone instead of not being on RAW.

If you expect every wrestler to be like Bryan then you will have no main-eventers that WWE didn't choose because being over like he did despite everything is something that only a few can do it.

This whole "Bryan was mis-used but stayed over therefor everyone that is good can do it" is bullshit. What Bryan did won't be replicated often (if ever) and you can't just use guys that do that.

If someone is over you use them and build on them and make money off of them instead of pushing the guy you like even if it isn't working.
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Foley, Austin, Cena, Orton, Bret Hart, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Punk, Bryan, Rock, even HHH.

They all got some fucking awful booking in the WWF. And got over because the truly good people always find a way. The same is true of a guy like Cesaro, who's so beyond brilliant in the ring that they gave him a fucking yodelling gimmick and he refused to let it beat him down. It's the difference between people worth a damn, and people like Ryder who just aren't good enough.

At a certain point, the wrestler has to take responsibility. Nothing stopped Ryder from taking action lessons, stepping up his wrestling game, tightening every aspect of his game so that they'd have no choice but to push him. It's the DDP principle - bust your ass and improve yourself so when your connections give you a shot you take it and make it work. Because Ryder's booking was nowhere near as bad as Austin's back in early 1996, or Rock's terrible 'gee whiz' babyface run.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Foley, Austin, Cena, Orton, Bret Hart, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Punk, Bryan, Rock, even HHH.

They all got some fucking awful booking in the WWF. And got over because the truly good people always find a way. The same is true of a guy like Cesaro, who's so beyond brilliant in the ring that they gave him a fucking yodelling gimmick and he refused to let it beat him down. It's the difference between people worth a damn, and people like Ryder who just aren't good enough.

At a certain point, the wrestler has to take responsibility. Nothing stopped Ryder from taking action lessons, stepping up his wrestling game, tightening every aspect of his game so that they'd have no choice but to push him. It's the DDP principle - bust your ass and improve yourself so when your connections give you a shot you take it and make it work. Because Ryder's booking was nowhere near as bad as Austin's back in early 1996, or Rock's terrible 'gee whiz' babyface run.
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Ryder's Kane feud was definitely worse than anything The Rock ever had to do. Come the hell on.
 
Rapstah said:
Ryder's Kane feud was definitely worse than anything The Rock ever had to do. Come the hell on.
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The Rock, sure. But let's not act like his 1996-1997 babyface run wasn't the drizzling shits. Point is lots of wrestlers got shitty treatment, and the ones with genuine staying power clawed their way back regardless.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Foley, Austin, Cena, Orton, Bret Hart, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Punk, Bryan, Rock, even HHH.

They all got some fucking awful booking in the WWF. And got over because the truly good people always find a way. The same is true of a guy like Cesaro, who's so beyond brilliant in the ring that they gave him a fucking yodelling gimmick and he refused to let it beat him down. It's the difference between people worth a damn, and people like Ryder who just aren't good enough.

At a certain point, the wrestler has to take responsibility. Nothing stopped Ryder from taking action lessons, stepping up his wrestling game, tightening every aspect of his game so that they'd have no choice but to push him. It's the DDP principle - bust your ass and improve yourself so when your connections give you a shot you take it and make it work. Because Ryder's booking was nowhere near as bad as Austin's back in early 1996, or Rock's terrible 'gee whiz' babyface run.
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Are you comparing the booking of Austin, Cena, Orton, Rock and HHH to Ryder? They aren't even on the same league.

Also, again, nobody is saying Ryder was a future hall of famer. We are saying he could at least be someone on the show. You are missing the entire fucking point that is you don't need to be the biggest star but if you are over you can be used and made money off.

Ryder had one run where they buried the fuck out of him (after being already over) and they took him off the show. They didn't use him, at all.

Ryder was making them money and they buried him and removed him of the show because they didn't made him. How you can defend that because you don't like the guy is beyond me.
 
DeathyBoy said:
The Rock, sure. But let's not act like his 1996-1997 babyface run wasn't the drizzling shits. Point is lots of wrestlers got shitty treatment, and the ones with genuine staying power clawed their way back regardless.
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When his babyface run flopped they turned him heel and kept him on the show. How is that even comparable to Ryder?
 
DeathyBoy said:
The Rock, sure. But let's not act like his 1996-1997 babyface run wasn't the drizzling shits. Point is lots of wrestlers got shitty treatment, and the ones with genuine staying power clawed their way back regardless.
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Dude, they gave Rock the IC belt (when it sort of meant something) during that drizzling shit. Bad creative doesn't mean they've dropped the guy unless it's bad creative specifically because they want to drop the guy, like with Ryder.

Should Ryder have told Michael Hayes "fuck no" when they gave him the first part of that Cena/Kane/Eve bullshit that ruined his career? Probably, but it's bullshit that the business has to rely on performers saying no to shit so the company can retroactively pretend like they intentionally booked the performer badly and say he "didn't grab that brass ring".
 
kiguel182 said:
Are you comparing the booking of Austin, Cena, Orton, Rock and HHH to Ryder? They aren't even on the same league.

Also, again, nobody is saying Ryder was a future hall of famer. We are saying he could at least be someone on the show. You are missing the entire fucking point that is you don't need to be the biggest star but if you are over you can be used and made money off.

Ryder had one run where they buried the fuck out of him (after being already over) and they took him off the show. They didn't use him, at all.

Ryder was making them money and they buried him and removed him of the show because they didn't made him. How you can defend that because you don't like the guy is beyond me.
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He went from not on TV at all to winning a title, then being in a main event storyline. In said storyline his acting was atrocious, and not once did he show any signs that he was particularly good at his craft. But that wasn't his fault, clearly the WWE is to blame for Ryder stinking up the airwaves with acting so bad it made Cena/Kane look like Oscar worthy thespians.
 
Cm Punk is a giant asshole. Everyone knows that. So I don't take that podcast confessional at face value. The truth is probably in between what he says and what others against it would say.

Not all parts of it but a lot, some of it I'm sure is true as other wrestlers have states the same.
 
DeathyBoy said:
He went from not on TV at all to winning a title, then being in a main event storyline. In said storyline his acting was atrocious, and not once did he show any signs that he was particularly good at his craft. But that wasn't his fault, clearly the WWE is to blame for Ryder stinking up the airwaves with acting so bad it made Cena/Kane look like Oscar worthy thespians.
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The Ryder character could have been played by fucking Laurence Olivier and wouldn't have gotten over. He was literally John Cena's handicapped friend in a feud with Kane. In 2012.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Cm Punk is a giant asshole. Everyone knows that. So I don't take that podcast confessional at face value. The truth is probably in between what he says and what others against it would say.

Not all parts of it but a lot, some of it I'm sure is true as other wrestlers have states the same.
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Punk does give me the vibe that he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, and that may color some of his recollection of events, but the issue people should be focusing on is the medical stuff, and how incompetent the higher ups (Vince, HHH) seem to be when it comes to having a long term plan for the company. All the stuff Punk said about how stupid it is to have the titles and main events all centered around part timers, and how that not only devalues the significance of the belts themselves, but also the product (why would someone tune in to RAW when they know the champ isn't going to be there?) is all 100% true.
 
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