CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)

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DeathyBoy said:
He went from not on TV at all to winning a title, then being in a main event storyline. In said storyline his acting was atrocious, and not once did he show any signs that he was particularly good at his craft. But that wasn't his fault, clearly the WWE is to blame for Ryder stinking up the airwaves with acting so bad it made Cena/Kane look like Oscar worthy thespians.
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First, that's no reason to completely give up on him but whatever.

Second, maybe they should've played to his strengths and continue to do what was working for him instead of exposing him and giving him a soap opera angle.

But whatever, you don't like Ryder and he doesn't deserve anything in your eyes. He had people chanting for him when the Rock was talking and sold a fuck ton of merch but he isn't a great actor so let's job him out and take him out of TV forever.
 
KefkaPalazzo said:
Doesn't mean he purposely tried to injure him. Saying that was a douche move that is probably untrue.

And I say this as a huge Punk fan.
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To be fair, he said that Ryback had to either be doing it on purpose or that he was just supremely reckless (i.e. "dumb as fuck"). He goes on to say Ryback said he didn't do it on purpose (i.e. he's "dumb as fuck") and that's when Punk realized "fuck, I'm screwed" because Ryback, as a worker, despite 10 years now in developmental, still is dangerous, reckless, and all around a terrible wrestler.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Cm Punk is a giant asshole. Everyone knows that. So I don't take that podcast confessional at face value. The truth is probably in between what he says and what others against it would say.

Not all parts of it but a lot, some of it I'm sure is true as other wrestlers have states the same.
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Based on this post

-Pyromaniac- said:
They probably didn't want to look at his stupid facial hair any more and canned him.
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You sound like an omega level hater.
 
Bowser said:
To be fair, he said that Ryback had to either be doing it on purpose or that he was just supremely reckless (i.e. "dumb as fuck"). He goes on to say Ryback said he didn't do it on purpose (i.e. he's "dumb as fuck") and that's when Punk realized "fuck, I'm screwed" because Ryback, as a worker, despite 10 years now in developmental, still is dangerous, reckless, and all around a terrible wrestler.
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He's genuinely not bad these days. I think a year as a tag team jobber helped him, weirdly. Probably helps they've worked out he probably shouldn't try and do the Shell Shock on big fat lads.

The weird justification for the burial of Zack Ryder always kinda gets to me. DeathyBoy's post really does misrepresent exactly what that storyline was like, and it's exactly the same as the Punk/Triple H/Nash thing. Sometimes WWE hides their politics quite well. Others, nah. That storyline was never going to end in anything other than Zack Ryder looking like a dork. At best he'd have beaten Kane, hooray. At worst he'd end up where he is now.
 
GolazoDan said:
He's genuinely not bad these days. I think a year as a tag team jobber helped him, weirdly. Probably helps they've worked out he probably shouldn't try and do the Shell Shock on big fat lads.
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He's still not good enough though for a guy that's been in WWE's system for 10 years now. Hell, Cesaro carried him to a decent match, but it wasn't impressive enough to Vince/WWE (admittedly not the best arbiters of talent) and they pretty much halted his push right then and there.

The match in question: http://youtu.be/oe4wgcVlmDI?t=49m27s
 
I think that yes, CM Punk was harsh on Ryback. I believe that Ryback injuring happened as a result of him being green as goose shit, not on purpose. I don't blame Punk for having the viewpoint that it was done on purpose, since he was likely injured during the tail end of his career, when his injuries were piling up. This would piss anyone off.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Cm Punk is a giant asshole. Everyone knows that. So I don't take that podcast confessional at face value. The truth is probably in between what he says and what others against it would say.

Not all parts of it but a lot, some of it I'm sure is true as other wrestlers have states the same.
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He's an asshole, yeah, but not a liar.
 
Sibersk Esto said:
I think that yes, CM Punk was harsh on Ryback. I believe that Ryback injuring happened as a result of him being green as goose shit, not on purpose. I don't blame Punk for having the viewpoint that it was done on purpose, since he was likely injured during the tail end of his career, when his injuries were piling up. This would piss anyone off.
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Ryback has been around long enough to where "he's not actually going to be able to fix the problem" is a serious concern.
 
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Ryder was/is fucking terrible. He had a funny youtube channel, according to marks that means he should be champ a month later. Did he have the greatest push? Probably not, but he sucks. D+ player at best.

Punk is asshole but a liar he is not (imo at least). The only parts I found whiny is the WM main event. Punk/Jericho does not deserve to go after Rock/Cena 1 and Punk/Randy was not the MOTN at WM27(should have been Cena/Punk though but then again Miz took a massive burial). I don't know why he would rather pick a 5min loss in the main even then versing Taker, but i'm glad he didn't. Now a days going on last doesn't really mean much. Having the best/most talked about match is far better imo. The crowd is usually dead after sitting down for 4+ hours. But whatever he even admits it's a whiny thing to cry about

Ryback being an unsafe dumb fuck isn't a surprise, Vince being out of touch/clueless isn't a surprise, H being following Vince's bully asshole tactics isn't a surprise, and WWE's medical staff/producers/Vince/H thinking about money more than the wrestlers well being isn't a surprise. Almost all of this is well documented for years before this podcast. It just sucks hearing Punk was pushed to quit rather than him just being a bitter prick like most thought.

The only surprise was Punk might have came back if Vince shown some actual compassion about his health. No apology, no what can we do to heal you, just "are you ready to work?". Fucking hell. As evil as i heard Vince could be, that's just downright sick. Your practically wishing for someone to die in your ring again.
 
Odd thing about that interview for me is that Punk is whining about how the WWE is run, but it's always been the same. And it's not exactly a big secret. Plenty of others have complained about it before Punk. I understand why he might be pissed, but he can't be surprised.

It's one of those situations where, like it or not, the only option is to play the game, and accept that it is what it is, or move on if you can't.
 
GeordieMark said:
Odd thing about that interview for me is that Punk is whining about how the WWE is run, but it's always been the same. And it's not exactly a big secret. Plenty of others have complained about it before Punk. I understand why he might be pissed, but he can't be surprised.

It's one of those situations where, like it or not, the only option is to play the game, and accept that it is what it is, or move on if you can't.
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The impression I got is that he wanted to change things and improve the product and, when he became champ, he believed he had the responsibility to do that and carry the company.

Instead nothing changed and he was jobbed to part-timers and treated like crap. Can't feel good.
 
Killing_Joke said:
Ryder was/is fucking terrible. He had a funny youtube channel, according to marks that means he should be champ a month later. Did he have the greatest push? Probably not, but he sucks. D+ player at best.

Punk is asshole but a liar he is not (imo at least). The only parts I found whiny is the WM main event. Punk/Jericho does not deserve to go after Rock/Cena 1 and Punk/Randy was not the MOTN at WM27(should have been Cena/Punk though but then again Miz took a massive burial). I don't know why he would rather pick a 5min loss in the main even then versing Taker, but i'm glad he didn't. Now a days going on last doesn't really mean much. Having the best/most talked about match is far better imo. The crowd is usually dead after sitting down for 4+ hours. But whatever he even admits it's a whiny thing to cry about

Ryback being an unsafe dumb fuck isn't a surprise, Vince being out of touch/clueless isn't a surprise, H being following Vince's bully asshole tactics isn't a surprise, and WWE's medical staff/producers/Vince/H thinking about money more than the wrestlers well being isn't a surprise. Almost all of this is well documented for years before this podcast. It just sucks hearing Punk was pushed to quit rather than him just being a bitter prick like most thought.

The only surprise was Punk might have came back if Vince shown some actual compassion about his health. No apology, no what can we do to heal you, just "are you ready to work?". Fucking hell. As evil as i heard Vince could be, that's just downright sick. Your practically wishing for someone to die in your ring again.
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Yeah... You have to be blind no to see it.
 
GeordieMark said:
Odd thing about that interview for me is that Punk is whining about how the WWE is run, but it's always been the same. And it's not exactly a big secret. Plenty of others have complained about it before Punk. I understand why he might be pissed, but he can't be surprised.

It's one of those situations where, like it or not, the only option is to play the game, and accept that it is what it is, or move on if you can't.
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kiguel182 said:
The impression I got is that he wanted to change things and improve the product and, when he became champ, he believed he had the responsibility to do that and carry the company.

Instead nothing changed and he was jobbed to part-timers and treated like crap. Can't feel good.
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Yep, that's what I think as well. Punk's a brash, confident guy, and even though I think he always knew that he wasn't really going to be able to change things ("I'm just a spoke in the wheel, the wheel keeps turning"), he decided he was going to try his damnedest to do it.

Unfortunately, the culture is so ingrained in the WWE, I don't think it will ever change. There's a slight chance, booking-wise, things will change once Trips assumes full control (based on his booking of NXT), but that's a longshot IMO.
 
You know was really interesting from this? that Nose vs Punk @WM, Punk was going to get over. A lot of report were saying that Nose was going to win the match. Punk said no to all of that..
 
Malvingt2 said:
You know was really interesting from this? that Nose vs Punk @WM, Punk was going to get over. A lot of report were saying that Nose was going to win the match. Punk said no to all of that..
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Meh, I think most people expected that to be the case. Although I bet he wouldn't have jobbed clean as a whistle like he did for Bryan. They never did let Punk get any major clean wins. Even his "cleanest" wins vs. Cena at MitB 2011 and SummerSlam 2011 were mucked up with the Johnny Ace interference "distracting" Cena and the Cena leg on the ropes bullshit, respectively.
 
Bowser said:
Meh, I think most people expected that to be the case. Although I bet he wouldn't have jobbed clean as a whistle like he did for Bryan. They never did let Punk get any major clean wins. Even his "cleanest" wins vs. Cena at MitB 2011 and SummerSlam 2011 were mucked up with the Johnny Ace interference "distracting" Cena and the Cena leg on the ropes bullshit, respectively.
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Eh he won pretty clean against Del Rio for the title.
 
Malvingt2 said:
You know was really interesting from this? that Nose vs Punk @WM, Punk was going to get over. A lot of report were saying that Nose was going to win the match. Punk said no to all of that..
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The results of matches don't really leak with the rest of the WM card. Usually it's very obvious who's going to win, which is mostly a good thing. People assumed Triple H would win over Punk because Punk's contract was up in July and no one thought he'd sign a new one.

I can imagine Triple H being really bitter about Punk not wanting to do that match. "We give this fucker a main event win at the biggest WrestleMania(C) of all time against The Game(C) and he'd rather sit at home watching hockey?"
 
Bowser said:
I don't consider Del Rio to be a major match. Hell, that PPV was headlined by Rock/Cena vs fucking Miz and Truth.
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Awesome Truth were killing it at the time. Not saying they deserved the main event spot, but they were one of the most entertaining parts of the product at that time. Was bullshit that they got the blame for the buyrate, maybe people didn't want to see Cena and Rock team? Then Truth smoked synthetic weed and fucked it all up.

What really should have happened is that Nexus should have still been strong and Rock and Cena would have needed to team up alongside Orton and a couple of other of the bigger faces to finally end the Nexus at that point.

Awesome Truth didn't have enough time to build to be the team that needed arch-rivals to team up.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
Holy shit.

Punk wrecked him, but Rock wasn't really his best there. Rock just doesn't seem as interesting as he used to be before he left for Hollywood and I don't really blame him.

Attitude era Rock vs Punk would be no contest. Rock would demolish his candy ass...
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WWE probably asked him to not bury the talent. He buried Cena in an internet shoot before he returned. Then and once he did return he was PG Rock.
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jesus just watched the rock/cm punk promo and he LOOKS fucked up! I mean seriously he looks like he hasn't slept in a month and he has malnutrition....

oh wait that's exactly what it says in the podcast....

seriously how has this company survived treating their talent like this? I mean I get that some are there to strike it big and in punks case he clearly had that proud streak of trying to think he was big/strong enough to drag the company up by himself but they have to be held accountable at some point.

time to stop watching?
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I'm not saying he's lying, I just mean that he may have exaggerated or put his own spin on a situation.


still horrible just saying.
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Which situation(s) do you think he put his own spin on? Honestly, he wasn't saying anything that other people haven't already said about the company.
 
Wrestling Observer and Figure Four Daily's Bryan Alvarez did a 15-minute or so audio update about the reactions in WWE. It's free, and you can listen to it here. It's just Alvarez, and because it's a free show he obviously advertises his site.

Basic bullet points:
  • Both Punk's detractors and people who like Punk are generally happy with him bringing up the topics he brought up.
  • Vince isn't that mad, but upset.
  • Triple H is really mad.
  • Colt Cabana is on the no-call list.
There's some more stuff in there, so listen to it. Alvarez is legit.
 
Killing_Joke said:
Ryder was/is fucking terrible. He had a funny youtube channel, according to marks that means he should be champ a month later. Did he have the greatest push? Probably not, but he sucks. D+ player at best.

Punk is asshole but a liar he is not (imo at least). The only parts I found whiny is the WM main event. Punk/Jericho does not deserve to go after Rock/Cena 1 and Punk/Randy was not the MOTN at WM27(should have been Cena/Punk though but then again Miz took a massive burial). I don't know why he would rather pick a 5min loss in the main even then versing Taker, but i'm glad he didn't. Now a days going on last doesn't really mean much. Having the best/most talked about match is far better imo. The crowd is usually dead after sitting down for 4+ hours. But whatever he even admits it's a whiny thing to cry about

Ryback being an unsafe dumb fuck isn't a surprise, Vince being out of touch/clueless isn't a surprise, H being following Vince's bully asshole tactics isn't a surprise, and WWE's medical staff/producers/Vince/H thinking about money more than the wrestlers well being isn't a surprise. Almost all of this is well documented for years before this podcast. It just sucks hearing Punk was pushed to quit rather than him just being a bitter prick like most thought.

The only surprise was Punk might have came back if Vince shown some actual compassion about his health. No apology, no what can we do to heal you, just "are you ready to work?". Fucking hell. As evil as i heard Vince could be, that's just downright sick. Your practically wishing for someone to die in your ring again.
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I think Punk's point was that it still matters in regards to how much you get paid.
 
Rapstah said:
Wrestling Observer and Figure Four Daily's Bryan Alvarez did a 15-minute or so audio update about the reactions in WWE. It's free, and you can listen to it here. It's just Alvarez, and because it's a free show he obviously advertises his site.

Basic bullet points:
  • Both Punk's detractors and people who like Punk are generally happy with him bringing up the topics he brought up.
  • Vince isn't that mad, but upset.
  • Triple H is really mad.
  • Colt Cabana is on the no-call list.
There's some more stuff in there, so listen to it. Alvarez is legit.
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Sounds about what I would expect. Vince isn't going to be pissed but he is going to feel betrayed and thus be upset. He still has this whole we are a family idea and Punk just aired the families dirty laundry for all to see. He doesn't get that Punk doesn't care

In general not much was said against vince most don't know already either.
 
funkystudent said:
When Rock first came back as the host of WM he was on fire on the mic.

You could tell once he was back for the 2nd year and the match with Cena they told him to tone things down.
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which resulted in the rock looking horrendous. I remember cena said something along the lines of the rock reading lines from his hands or palms...im not sure if this was scripted but the rock look completely shook or shocked..like he lost his composure i've never seen him like that

if thats acting then damn lol
 
ChosenPredator said:
which resulted in the rock looking horrendous. I remember cena said something along the lines of the rock reading lines from his hands or palms...im not sure if this was scripted but the rock look completely shook or shocked..like he lost his composure i've never seen him like that

if thats acting then damn lol
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They neutered The Rock to protect Cena because there is no way that Cena could hang with The Rock. Same thing happened to Punk when he went after Cena/Nash.
 
ChosenPredator said:
which resulted in the rock looking horrendous. I remember cena said something along the lines of the rock reading lines from his hands or palms...im not sure if this was scripted but the rock look completely shook or shocked..like he lost his composure i've never seen him like that

if thats acting then damn lol
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People spotted Rock had stuff written on his hand the week before. It was going around.

Seemed super set up.

Also Rock can turn on his acting face when he needs to. Look at that time the Shield beat him up.



Oh and it would be a bummer if WWE put Cabana on the No business list. Its one of the few outlets that makes the wrestlers seem like real people.
 
ChosenPredator said:
which resulted in the rock looking horrendous. I remember cena said something along the lines of the rock reading lines from his hands or palms...im not sure if this was scripted but the rock look completely shook or shocked..like he lost his composure i've never seen him like that

if thats acting then damn lol
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lmao people still getting worked over the wrist notes.

Yeah The Rock of all the wrestlers in history, one of the greatest talkers of all time, needed written down notes.
 
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