CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)
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That whole "he doesn't have the look" garbage has to be dead and buried already. MMA already showed that you don't need a "look" to be able to kick people's asses, so this whole notion of a guy looking like punk winning not being believable is complete bullshit.
People need to get their heads out of the goddamn 80s already.
People need to get their heads out of the goddamn 80s already.
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What if the whole thing is a work and he enters the Rumble at #30? That would be the greatest work of all time. It's fun to imagine.
NYR
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Yeaaaah, considering the lawsuits were real, I doubt it but hope he comes back. And if it was, wwe is only targeting a portion of their audience who would listen to this and track a non-TV storyline. Keep in mind, these are the same mouth breathers that keep John Cena at the top by buying his crappy Merch.
Let's face it - he painted wwe in a corner, they will pay him 5 mill for WM 35 or something and he gets what he wants. Becomes what he hates most - a part timer who crushes he roster.
It matters to the boss and 123 Kid wouldn't have been WWF champion even if he was a great talker.
Piper was dog shit. His promos aren't good either. They're just squeaky rambling bullshit that never says anything. And they got far worse in WCW. As a wrestler, he has all of 2 good matches to credit in 30 years. The difference between those guys and Punk is that none of them had a year long title reign with the main title of the biggest company in the world. None of them held the title at all. And none of them bitched for years about not getting MORE. In a couple of years Punk is going to realize he was lucky to get where he got and not be upset that he didn't get more. It's just the nature of the company he worked for.
Punk was one of the best complete packages in a decade, but he was never the best wrestler in the ring, even on the indies. No where was the best guy in the ring in whatever company he was in at the time.
Mighty Chin
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I love it. What an amazing art form
DoktorEvil
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I wonder if those who are so quick to say "Punk doesn't fit the look of the company" say the same thing about Mick Foley?
Because if there's someone who didn't deserve to wear the belt because of antiquated standards but yet win the crowds over and get the belt, it's Mick Foley.
Because if there's someone who didn't deserve to wear the belt because of antiquated standards but yet win the crowds over and get the belt, it's Mick Foley.
funkystudent
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Well... triple h really doesn't like Foley much as well.
Different era. Threat of bankruptcy's great at forcing adaptation.
crimzonflame
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So in 2 years we should be entering a new golden age of wrestling?
Bad comparisons. Piper was never the face of the WWE and never won the heavy/world title. Same with Jake.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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What the hell is a "look" and how doesn't CM Punk have one of the most distinctive and recognizable ones in WWE history?
Massive steroid body
"Do you look like an action figure?"
Punk's body was never going to last as long as other peoples' though, he's got a skinny white guy body that got an enormous amount of hard work put into it.
I don't think the "look" is as important as most marks think. Becoming the number two guy in the company like Punk and Bryan did is still pretty fucking good. And Cena is where he's at because he's a marketing genius towards the gullible little kid demographic, not because because of his look.
Dark Ninja
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Not in WWE. Vince wants somebody he can put on t-shirts, billboards, magazines, movies, and commercials because Vince wants to be in anything but the wrestling business. The "look" and the "it factor" are a bunch of made up things no one can explain as excuses why some people succeed and other don't.
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Paracelsus
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Do you think those gullible little kids would buy hundreds of dollars worth of t-shirts across a decade if their hero looked like Bryan, a guy who would never be able to overcome the odds, and by that I mean FU Umaga and Viscera? I guess you already know, but Goldberg was more over with kids than he was with adults, for the same reason: superman. It's on the same vein they're marketing Reigns although he sucks.
UFC getting big made more normal builds palatable to a mass audience, Vince is just still stuck in the '80s. (The guys today more resemble guys from the '70s, actually.)
DoktorEvil
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But that's what great about the Attitude Era, it had something for everyone.
From the hardcore to the PG/kid friendly fans.
The current WWE doesn't allow for variety like that to grow. It's not getting pushed to adapt.
Triple H also used to be billed as a pretentious blue blood prick, which frankly isn't any different from the ass kissing he does now, save that he's married to the family now.
This.
The Rock may have had great crossover appeal, much more than Stone Cold has received, but the Look and his ridiculous proportions play into that. It also doesn't hurt that he knew how to act, how to sell, and how to make people look larger than life.
That, and he also nepotism'd his way into the business.
ChosenPredator
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the look thing that people are obsessed with is crazy over at some wrestling forums you always have people whining about size and calling the next era of wrestlers from NXT midgets, lol.
None of them have a hyper-inflated bodybuilder build, because you can't get away with one. Yes, the guys are athletic (and probably using TRT + other stuff), but they're way, way leaner (and also way shorter) than Vince's out of date "preferred look".
Size does matter in that you do want larger guys in there as well- a promotion entirely of sub-6-foot fanboys is probably not going to do so well w/ a mainstream audience. Variety is good. Mono-anythng is bad.
Well Neville is. He's shorter than Bryan. And Bryan looks like a kid against some guys.
Yeah, when I think of UFC, I think of "normal builds".
First of all, you're showing pics of weigh in day. While those guys are still in fantastic shape during their matches, they're also a lot softer because they actually have fluid in their bodies during the fights.
Second of all, every single one of those guys would be considered too small to fit the stereotype that we're talking about here. It's not just about being in fantastic shape. If that were the case, Cesaro and John Morrison would've been world champions several times over by now.
Lastly, the reason the UFC was brought up as an example is because out of shape looking guys fuck people up quite often. Sure, the jacked people with crazy cardio have an advantage, but it's far from the only determining factor.
By the way, this guy just fought for the interim UFC Heavyweight Title:
How many guys look like that outside of the heavyweights? UFC is full of super cut up dudes with 6-12 packs and in general some of the best athletes in the world. Saying they ushered in a "normal build" is crazy. Normal build for guys who train and diet intensely 7 days a week for hours a day, maybe.
It's like saying Cesaro has an average build.
Podcast didn't change my mind about this guy. His gimmick should have been The Narcissist CM Punk. I don't doubt his accusations because let's be real here, there was always shady stuff going on in wrestling. But him whining about how helpless he was against the evil corporation is just too funny.
stn
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Keep in mind that these are the observations of a non-fan. The only involvement I've had with wrestling is playing 2K14. But I'll admit I always read up online just out of sheer nostalgia. I've gathered the following:
-The product has been the same for years, with the same John Cena character
-They have lots of talent that they refuse to push in favor of old stars
So, to amuse myself I saw some highlights on Youtube of all the new guys whose names I didn't recognize. I don't know much about the product but it seems like they should be pushing Dolph Ziggler, Cesaro, and Bray Wyatt. Also, John Cena needs to turn into a heel the same way Hogan did, speech and all. I wouldn't be interested in watching again but I WOULD definitely Youtube that. He needs to be a total asshole who plays off the hate people have for him and just mocks everyone. Would be a great heel.
As for Punk, he seems like the complete package. The only thing I've seen of him is that promo he gave where he walked out and called out everyone in management. That was pretty epic. As for his look, its definitely more interesting than the typical buffed up meathead. In fact, his look was/is reminiscent of the Attitude Era. I pretty much stopped watching when the Attitude Era ended.
-The product has been the same for years, with the same John Cena character
-They have lots of talent that they refuse to push in favor of old stars
So, to amuse myself I saw some highlights on Youtube of all the new guys whose names I didn't recognize. I don't know much about the product but it seems like they should be pushing Dolph Ziggler, Cesaro, and Bray Wyatt. Also, John Cena needs to turn into a heel the same way Hogan did, speech and all. I wouldn't be interested in watching again but I WOULD definitely Youtube that. He needs to be a total asshole who plays off the hate people have for him and just mocks everyone. Would be a great heel.
As for Punk, he seems like the complete package. The only thing I've seen of him is that promo he gave where he walked out and called out everyone in management. That was pretty epic. As for his look, its definitely more interesting than the typical buffed up meathead. In fact, his look was/is reminiscent of the Attitude Era. I pretty much stopped watching when the Attitude Era ended.
DoktorEvil
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If there was anything I missed the most about Attitude Era WWF was the flood of great technical and hardcore talents Vince sought after.
Watching Punk wrestle in ROH was so much fun. Him, Bryan, and Colt put on some damn good matches and they didn't need to be thrown money.
I doubt I'll ever see a match as intense as Mankind v Taker again.
Watching Punk wrestle in ROH was so much fun. Him, Bryan, and Colt put on some damn good matches and they didn't need to be thrown money.
I doubt I'll ever see a match as intense as Mankind v Taker again.
Right, that's a "normal" (plus TRT/weaker undetectable steroids in some cases) body for a professional fighter in intense training, not the roided-out bodybuilder look Vince likes.
Punk fits in with the look of those folks.
FallingEdge
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lol no, Punk does not, not even close
he doesn't even fit in with Cena, Orton, Neville, Titus, Brock, etc
Masquerader
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Punk had the best physique in the business, joint with Cesaro. Now it's just Cesaro who has the best. And I'm sorry, but Punk was the complete package. He had so many different talents, it's a wonder Vince is so blind.
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DoktorEvil
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We all know whats going to happen to AJ Lee after this podcast
Vince won't sandbag AJ. Very unlikely.
Yo!
Champ for 5 years.
In an era before PPV and widespread TV.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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lol well if Piper and Eddie Gilbert are being brought up then Backlund can be brought up too. It might have been pre-PPV but it was still when the WWF preferred bodybuilders. Superstar Billy Graham and Hogan were the champs before and after him.
Also, he came back in the mid 90s and became champion again, for some reason.
DonasaurusRex
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thats all fine and dandy people just might be confused with how the WWE handled his return after quitting. The whole pipebomb talks and the huge MiTB ppv. It felt botched the guy had mainstream attention ESPN was down , and it was like before you get put in front of the world as the WWE champion, we gotta put the belt on del rio, have HHH beat you, bring in Diesel????, have Cena win the title then lose the title then you can come back and win the title....and its like what the hell, is he even the main match?
He wasn't a new face. In hindsight they should've let him stay away till Royal Rumble because the next few months were an utter joke and it had the feel of " ok good job getting wrestling back in the public eye, now let us take it from here Punk" and it failed. Even though he did well in the coming years , he could've put the whole promotion over and in a better position, even Vince and HHH want that to happen again. However I dont think they wanted it to be Punk to do it, so the salt is obvious. To me, they left money and recognition on the table because it was Punk that got people noticing again.
You're completely missing the points that were brought up.
The WWE stereotype is this:
The guys in all of the UFC pics are shorter and smaller, except for Herman, who is tall, but still smaller.
They are not big enough to fill that stereotype. Muscular Build > Athletic Build
Also, the overall main point is how believable it is for a out of shape guy to kick a muscular guy's ass. UFC/MMA killed that myth a LONG time ago, but people still have it stuck in their head, because that's what macho society is programmed in their heads.
YES a guy Punk's size and kick the ass of a guy that is Undertaker's size. If you have trouble believing that then please jump in a time machine and join the rest of us in the year 2014.
He came back in the 90s specifically to lose in ten seconds to Diesel so they could have a two-year Diesel/Bret program.
You're completely missing the points that were brought up.
The WWE stereotype is this:
The guys in all of the UFC pics are shorter and smaller, except for Herman, who is tall, but still smaller.
They are not big enough to fill that stereotype. Muscular Build > Athletic Build
Also, the overall main point is how believable it is for a out of shape guy to kick a muscular guy's ass. UFC/MMA killed that myth a LONG time ago, but people still have it stuck in their head, because that's what macho society is programmed in their heads.
YES a guy Punk's size and kick the ass of a guy that is Undertaker's size. If you have trouble believing that then please jump in a time machine and join the rest of us in the year 2014.
Punk doesn't look athletic because he isn't and has those shitty genetics where he can be in the best shape of his life and still look like regular guy. The stereotype in the last 10-12 years has been guys in excellent shape. Not necessarily huge body builders, but guys who are super cut up and defined. Punk isn't any of those things and CAN'T be one of those things even if he tried with all his might, which he did around WM29 and that's the best he could possibly do and it was too hard to maintain with such little benefit.
Jazzy Network
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Vince knows the value of Punk. Why do you think he didn't want to give him any time off?
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